Fails on basic morality

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Magenta

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So nothing was prevented. Prevention would be - do not own people as property. But it literally says the opposite.
What is does is give guidelines and conditions. You cannot say nothing was prevented. I dare say quite a
few deaths were prevented. Men are beasts, don't you know? You are one yourself... so you ought to know.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Please unpack your meaning here. Are you saying that the morality in the old covenant law was inferior? If so, what is your basis for morality?
The Bible doesn't DO "Morality" which is a completely HUMAN/Social invention, and changes with the phases of the moon. The Bible deals with RIGHTEOUSNESS and SIN according to God's absolute definitions thereof.
 
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And? Why are you bleating about slavery? If you don't like what God said to the Israelites ~3300 years ago, don't follow Him. Nobody's forcing you.
Clearly, you are all for slavery.
 

Dino246

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The Bible doesn't DO "Morality" which is a completely HUMAN/Social invention, and changes with the phases of the moon. The Bible deals with RIGHTEOUSNESS and SIN according to God's absolute definitions thereof.
I disagree with you, but I'm not going to get into it here.
 

Magenta

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Owning another human should not be at any time.
God agrees. Exodus 21:16 Whoever kidnaps another man must be put
to death, whether he sells him or the man is found in his possession.


Deuteronomy 23:15–16 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you.
Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.


But men had despicable practices, and depending on how aware you are, you may admit they still do.
 
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What is does is give guidelines and conditions. You cannot say nothing was prevented. I dare say quite a
few deaths were prevented. Men are beasts, don't you know? You are one yourself... so you ought to know.
It literally says you can buy people and they become your property, you can pass onto children. Is that prevention.🤣
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Leviticus 25:44-46 Slave buying/trafficking and slave beating Exodus 21:20-21.
I disagree with your interpretation.
Slavery was permitted only for specific reasons. One example would be the guy who tried to break in last summer was caught and went to prison. Instead of that, in a biblically just society, if he was unable to restore the damages plus 400% depending upon specifics, then he would be my slave or indentured bondman until paying off his debt. This is the right way because it's God's way. Here's a little bit about slavery and your chosen main text.

Does the Bible condone Slavery?
 

Magenta

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It literally says you can buy people and they become your property, you can pass onto children. Is that prevention.🤣
Can you read? I specified deaths. And look at these verses:

Exodus 21:16 Whoever kidnaps another man must be put to death,
whether he sells him or the man is found in his possession.

Deuteronomy 23:15–16 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you.
Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.


God gave them guidelines to reduce abuse, not to instigate it.
 
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Can you read? I specified deaths. And look at these verses:

Exodus 21:16 Whoever kidnaps another man must be put to death,
whether he sells him or the man is found in his possession.


Deuteronomy 23:15–16 Do not return a slave to his master if he has taken refuge with you.
Let him live among you wherever he chooses, in the town of his pleasing. Do not oppress him.


God gave them guidelines to reduce abuse, not to instigate it.
Kidnapping isn't buying someone. Deuteronomy 23 is about servants (Israelities) not foreigners.
 

Magenta

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Kidnapping isn't buying someone. Deuteronomy 23 is about servants (Israelities) not foreigners.
People sold themselves into slavery. Now we have credit cards.

All the verses concerning slavery are not about Israelites.

Would you have preferred they killed all their enemies instead of enslaving them?

 
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I disagree with your interpretation.
Slavery was permitted only for specific reasons. One example would be the guy who tried to break in last summer was caught and went to prison. Instead of that, in a biblically just society, if he was unable to restore the damages plus 400% depending upon specifics, then he would be my slave or indentured bondman until paying off his debt. This is the right way because it's God's way. Here's a little bit about slavery and your chosen main text.

Does the Bible condone Slavery?
The slave owners children inheriting the property (slave) he bought isn't a interpretation, it's literally there in the text.
 

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Owning another human should not be at any time.
Well then you disagree with God..

Since God is perfect and you are not.. His judgement on the matter is superior to your judgement..

Disagreement with God does not some how remove God from existence.. God is still God and He has total control over all creations eternal destiny.. His Word rules, your POV does not and never will..
 
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People sold themselves into slavery. Now we have credit cards.

All the verses concerning slavery are not about Israelites.

Would you have preferred they killed all their enemies instead of enslaving them?
"All the verses concerning slavery are not about Israelites"

Of course not. "Because the Israelites are my servants (not slaves), whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Slaves are foreigners. Who you can buy, beat and are inherited.
 
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Well then you disagree with God..

Since God is perfect and you are not.. His judgement on the matter is superior to your judgement..

Disagreement with God does not some how remove God from existence.. God is still God and He has total control over all creations eternal destiny.. His Word rules, your POV does not and never will..
You think owning another human as property is perfect. Then you should own another human as property.
 

Adstar

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You think owning another human as property is perfect. Then you should own another human as property.
Back to putting positions and words into my mouth.. Suddenly your progress has reversed and you forget everything i have said and replace everything i said with projections from your wild imaginations??

I think that it was the right thing during the times that God allowed it for the people that God allowed it for and upon the people God allowed to be in bondage.. As a Christian a follower of the New Testament in these times i do not think enslaving other people is perfect.. Jesus tells me to love my neighbor and so i do not seek to enslave them.. Now do you have the comprehension ability to read this paragraph and understand?
 

Magenta

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"All the verses concerning slavery are not about Israelites"

Of course not. "Because the Israelites are my servants (not slaves), whom I brought out of Egypt,
they must not be sold as slaves. Slaves are foreigners. Who you can buy, beat and are inherited.
I wonder how much money they owed when they sold themselves into slavery.
 
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Back to putting positions and words into my mouth.. Suddenly your progress has reversed and you forget everything i have said and replace everything i said with projections from your wild imaginations??

I think that it was the right thing during the times that God allowed it for the people that God allowed it for and upon the people God allowed to be in bondage.. As a Christian a follower of the New Testament in these times i do not think enslaving other people is perfect.. Jesus tells me to love my neighbor and so i do not seek to enslave them.. Now do you have the comprehension ability to read this paragraph and understand?
It's never right at any time to own another human as property.
 
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I wonder how much money they owed when they sold themselves into slavery.
I think you need to learn the difference from hired workers (Israelites) and slaves (foreigners) slaves for life.
 
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