FAITH

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Forest

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#21
so we recive the HS before our sin is taken care of.

this is not scriptural in the least.
The elect's sins were taken care of by Christ's work on the cross (all that the Father gave him, John 6:39).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#22
The elect's sins were taken care of by Christ's work on the cross (all that the Father gave him, John 6:39).
so where the rest of the worlds. No one is judged for sin at the great white throne judgment, They are judged on their supposed good deeds (works) and found guilty. Not of sin, of unbelief.

On can not be found guilty of chosing to not believe if never given the opportunity.
 
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Forest

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#23
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Your question was “How do we obtain spiritual faith?
If we hear not the Gospel preached unto us then how is that faith comes? The beginning of our faith comes with believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, was crucified for our sins, raised the third day, and now sits on the right hand of the power of God. And this is done by those who preach the Word to those who are lost.

If it does not come by hearing the Word, than where pray tell where does it come from?

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
Mark 16:15, The commission to preach the gospel to every creature was fulfilled in Col 1:23, Which was preached to every creature which is under Heaven. Hearing the word increases the faith we already have. 2 Pet 2:2, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby. The newborn babes receive spiritual faith which is a fruit of the Spirit when God gives them his Spirit by quickening them to spiritual life, Eph 2:5. The natural man cannot descern spiritual things, such as spiritual faith, 1 Cor 2:14. Gal 3:26, it is evidence that we are the children of God because we have faith in Jesus Christ. By their fruits ye shall know them.
 
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#24
You don't get it do you? A man can not be born again until their sin is removed, Justification comes by faith. thus faith must come first.

The HS acts as a human spirit for all men, and shows them the gospel. If they reject, they are condemned. But they must make a choice!
You don't get it, Do you? Our faith cannot eternally justify us. I have just told you that we are eternally justified by Ghrist's faith and not our own Gal 2:16. This act of Christ removed the sins of his elect. God's elect were eternally justified by Christ's faith for eternal redemption by his work on the cross. The natural man will not, and indeed, cannot choose to serve a spiritual God 1 Cor 2:16.
 
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Forest

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#25
So what your saying is is that God trust's us? wow!!

You do understand faith "Pistos" means a trust in something do you not?
Are you denying that it is Christ's faith that justifies us? God had trust in his Son that he would be a sacrifice for the sins of his elect and Christ had trust in himself. Our spiritual faith did not save us eternally because we did not have a spiritual faith until we had access to the Spirit by the new birth. It never ceases to amaze me how man likes to take credit for his own salvation instead of giving God credit. What do you think grace means?
 
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Are you denying that it is Christ's faith that justifies us? God had trust in his Son that he would be a sacrifice for the sins of his elect and Christ had trust in himself. Our spiritual faith did not save us eternally because we did not have a spiritual faith until we had access to the Spirit by the new birth. It never ceases to amaze me how man likes to take credit for his own salvation instead of giving God credit. What do you think grace means?
Still promoting Calvinism, Forest?

We are justified by the faith of Christ WHEN WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
 
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Laodicea

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#27
Rom 12:3, God hath dealt to every (elect)man the measure of faith. Paul is talking about a spiritual faith which the natural man does not have, 1 Cor 2:14.
The text says every man has a measure of faith, dont change the text.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#28
You don't get it, Do you? Our faith cannot eternally justify us.
Yeah? Thats not what Scripture says. Sorry if I chose to trust God not you.

I have just told you that we are eternally justified by Ghrist's faith and not our own Gal 2:16.
What about eph 2: 8-9. Faith vs works. What about John 6. We who believe vs we who do not believe. What about all the verses which say we are saved, justified and sanctified by faith, not works. We just ignore them?

Galatians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, (where is the word of Jesus here??) even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.



hmm. We are justified by our faith. not our works. And you want to twist this to mean faith OF Christ??

In greek.

Faith is a femenin noun.

Jesus is a masculin noun.


It is not jesus faith. or the noun faith would have also been masculin.

Also of note. The word belief and faith both come from the same greek word "pistis"


and you want to twist this.

Man how can I listen to what you say if you clearly are twisting passages to suit your own beliefs?


This act of Christ removed the sins of his elect. God's elect were eternally justified by Christ's faith for eternal redemption by his work on the cross. The natural man will not, and indeed, cannot choose to serve a spiritual God 1 Cor 2:16.
Keep trying to twist scripture. You making satan out to be not a deciever, but a truth teller. He must be praising you when you speak!
 
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Jullianna

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#29
The faith in Eph 2:8 is not speaking of our faith but of Christ's faith Gal 2:16. Rom 10:17 after we are born of the Spirit and receive the Holy Spirit we then have access to faith because faith is a fruit of the Spirit Cal 5. Once we have faith, when we hear the word our faith increases. 2 Pet 2:2, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that we may grow thereby.
I'm going to assume that you are attempting to answer your own questions here since I didn't post any, and I don't have any regarding this topic. I accept scripture as it is.
 
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Forest

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#30
so where the rest of the worlds. No one is judged for sin at the great white throne judgment, They are judged on their supposed good deeds (works) and found guilty. Not of sin, of unbelief.

On can not be found guilty of chosing to not believe if never given the opportunity.
Being guilty of unbelief is not a sin that is not covered by Christ's shed blood upon the cross. Many of his elect do not believe the truth, but they are saved eternally.
 
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Forest

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#31
Still promoting Calvinism, Forest?

We are justified by the faith of Christ WHEN WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
Yes, I know Shroom that you like to take credit away from God for your salvation and place the honour and glory upon your own shoulders.
 
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Forest

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#32
The text says every man has a measure of faith, dont change the text.
Then explain 1 Cor 2:14 to me. Scripture must not contradict each other. Do you recon that the "every man" could mean "every elect man"? The scriptures were preserved in the book of the bible for instructions as to how God's elect should live their lives here in this earth. When God is speaking to only his elect, that would change a lot of the meanings of literal words.
 
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Forest

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#33
Yeah? Thats not what Scripture says. Sorry if I chose to trust God not you.



What about eph 2: 8-9. Faith vs works. What about John 6. We who believe vs we who do not believe. What about all the verses which say we are saved, justified and sanctified by faith, not works. We just ignore them?

Galatians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, (where is the word of Jesus here??) even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.



hmm. We are justified by our faith. not our works. And you want to twist this to mean faith OF Christ??

In greek.

Faith is a femenin noun.

Jesus is a masculin noun.


It is not jesus faith. or the noun faith would have also been masculin.

Also of note. The word belief and faith both come from the same greek word "pistis"


and you want to twist this.

Man how can I listen to what you say if you clearly are twisting passages to suit your own beliefs?




Keep trying to twist scripture. You making satan out to be not a deciever, but a truth teller. He must be praising you when you speak!
Eph 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith (Christ's faith not ours Gal 2:16). In Gal 2:16 you have changed two words in that scripture according to the KJV and that is the word "OF". You changed it twice to "IN", which makes it your faith instead of Christ's faith. You claim that I twist scriptures, which is not true, but you actually change the wording of scripture to make it honour yourself instead of giving Christ credit. I think you might go back and read Gal 2:16 again, or change versions.
 
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Forest

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#34
I'm going to assume that you are attempting to answer your own questions here since I didn't post any, and I don't have any regarding this topic. I accept scripture as it is.
I don't mean to be rude, but you did quote Rom 12:3, Eph 2:8 & Rom 10:17 in your post # 3,940.
 
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Laodicea

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#35
Then explain 1 Cor 2:14 to me. Scripture must not contradict each other. Do you recon that the "every man" could mean "every elect man"? The scriptures were preserved in the book of the bible for instructions as to how God's elect should live their lives here in this earth. When God is speaking to only his elect, that would change a lot of the meanings of literal words.
1 Cor 2:14 does not mention faith so what has it got to do with Rom 12:3?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#36
Being guilty of unbelief is not a sin that is not covered by Christ's shed blood upon the cross. Many of his elect do not believe the truth, but they are saved eternally.
So your saying we can not believe. Not have hope. And not understand or trust what God said and still make it to heaven? You keep going downhill my friend. Your believability factor is dropping more and more.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#37
Eph 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith (Christ's faith not ours Gal 2:16). In Gal 2:16 you have changed two words in that scripture according to the KJV and that is the word "OF". You changed it twice to "IN", which makes it your faith instead of Christ's faith. You claim that I twist scriptures, which is not true, but you actually change the wording of scripture to make it honour yourself instead of giving Christ credit. I think you might go back and read Gal 2:16 again, or change versions.
1. That was the king james version I used.
2. Paul is separating our faith from our works. He is fighting jews who are trying to add faith to works.
3. Your twisting. Again a masculine word in greek can not match up with a femenine word in greek. Which proves it is not Christ's faith.
4. Keep trying.
 
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#38
You don't get it do you? A man can not be born again until their sin is removed, Justification comes by faith. thus faith must come first.

The HS acts as a human spirit for all men, and shows them the gospel. If they reject, they are condemned. But they must make a choice!
It all happens simultaneously in an instant. The light of the gospel shines unto the heart of a man, man receives faith through that light, man believes unto righteousness, he is cleansed, forgiven and justified from all sin, he is born of the Spirit and the incorruptible seed of the word and he becomes a new creature in Christ. As a comparison, all this happens within a twinkling of an eye, which is 11/100th of a second. That is how quick and powerful the word of God is when it enters into the heart of man bringing salvation by grace through faith.
 
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Abiding

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#39
wow this is a real nutty thread. Forest i dont think you will find much agreement
after what i read. We are saved by Christs faith???? Who cooked that one up?
 
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Forest

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#40
1 Cor 2:14 does not mention faith so what has it got to do with Rom 12:3?
God did not deal the natural man a measure of faith, because the natural man cannot descern spiritual things, like serving a spiritual God.1 Coe 2:14.