False tongues, are you being decieved?

[Trailblazer]

I think to turn against scripture is very foolish. Scripture says it is a gift.

I went to a church known for their speaking in tongues to hear it, because I never had. So I listened. Then the interpreter got up to say they were saying "the death of the children". Frankly, I would bet that demons were there in that church.

So, from this experience, do you think it would be correct to say there is no such gift, or that no one ever speaks to the Lord in that way? I don't think so!!!

However, from that experience I concluded that it is possible to use the idea of tongues in the wrong way, or by the wrong spirit.

There is also the distinctive possibility that the interpreter was a liar, or tricked by the enemy.
I am sure with a little questioning. One could find where there heart is with the congregation.
So every time you guys speak in tongues. Does the interpreter always claim that you guys are speaking
of horrifying acts?

 

[mars_05]

i also believe that there is a counterfeit tongues,,,so how do you know if a person speaks from God or not?,,,by testing them:spaeking in tongues' purpose is to edify us not to create a fear,.and evey interpretation that is against the bible or not in the bible is a counterfeit tongues..

 

[breno785au]

i also believe that there is a counterfeit tongues,,,so how do you know if a person speaks from God or not?,,,by testing them:spaeking in tongues' purpose is to edify us not to create a fear,.and evey interpretation that is against the bible or not in the bible is a counterfeit tongues..

How does that say the tongue was not from God? The interpreter may have got it wrong

 

[fredjames]

Modern Tongues Speaking Explained - What is really going on? By Cooper P Abrams III

Dearly Kittycatt, are still around?

What is that you want ask or point out, that is taking away your peace in 'the Word'?

 

[CS1]

the problem with this statement is " believe me over the guy who makes meaningless noises and calls it language". And the fact that one tell us to believe our own common sense or Fleshly mind is what the Bible say we would not understand because it is Spiritually Discerned. So don't take my word take the Word of God and read what happen on the day of Pentecost.

Acts 2: verse 4 says they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit "S" gave them the utterance (ability).

what was the response of common sense people when they herd this? it is recorded in the Bible in Acts 2:12, 13
they were amazed and in doubt and talked amongst themselves and questioned what is this?

this turned into Mocking found in verse 13. But Peter under the control of the Holy Spirit explained and preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and three thousand were saved. God is super nature and the human mind cannot comprehend spiritual things unless the Holy Spirit helps them. The bible says to be spiritually minded and not be carnal minded. are there meaningless languages? one would have to know every language on the earth to make that statement and also understand heavenly languages which the Bible speaks about. So can one fake it ? yes will the results confirm if it is from God or not yes I think so. Is the gift of the Holy Ghost for today The Bible says yes it is. Do the things of God make common sense to satisfy intellect? LOL nope Not when HE is higher than us do we understand the Godhead fully ? or salvation other than what the Bible says that Jesus is the only way? If you think you do..... then that sounds like an issue of pride there is no sense in that....

 

[Agricola]

There is also the distinctive possibility that the interpreter was a liar, or tricked by the enemy.
I am sure with a little questioning. One could find where there heart is with the congregation.
So every time you guys speak in tongues. Does the interpreter always claim that you guys are speaking
of horrifying acts?

The correct usage of toungues in a service is that someone will stand up say something in it, then someone else will give an interpretation, if this does not happen then the person standing up and speaking is just doing so thinking they should do it for whatever reason. THe interpretations do not come from people, but HOly SPirit, so people with gift of interpretation do not understand tongues themselves, instead it is the HOly SPirit who tells them what it says, that is how I understand it.

Certainly though there is a lot of incorrect use of this, along with plenty of people being influenced by demonic spirits and not Holy Spirit.

 

[just-us-2]

Isn't it amazing how people can come up with such statements when many of them have never stepped through the door of a Pentecostal church? And when they do, they base their whole experience from services of a single church?

I can speak about Pentecostals because I AM ONE with over 30 years in the ministry besides. I'm not bragging, but making a point that if I'm gonna listen to anybody, it's gonna be someone with REAL EXPERIENCE.

I will take God’s Word over human “experience” anytime! I have known people who have lived their entire lives deceived because they did not bother to truly study, They believed the words of others rather than God Himself and got off on the ecstatic 'feeling' they got when they did this. Pretty sad. His Word trumps a thousand generations of human experience.
No matter which translation of the Bible one uses, it still comes out the same – no parsing of words, no exceptions, just God’s own words.

1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(CJB) 22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.
(NAS) 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
(NLT) 22 So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
(NIV) 22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

 

[just-us-2]

Then he was not speaking in tongues by the Spirit of God - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the holy Spirit. 1 Co. 12:3

No matter which translation of the Bible one uses, it still comes out the same – no parsing of words, no exceptions, just God’s own words.
1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(CJB) 22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.
(NAS) 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
(NLT) 22 So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
(NIV) 22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

 

[just-us-2]

I would not touch what the Holy Spirit gives as one of His manifestations. You can say you don't understand it - or not experienced it - but there is a danger in trying to invalidate something that is so scriptural. And actually, it is something that is not easily put into an easy to understand explanation. It is one of those mysteries of God, which only the one who has the gift knows is real, but even they can't explain.

The one who prays in tongues knows they are somehow praying in words that they have no English for. It comes from their gut (or their spirit)...and rises up to God with a strong element of faith and love that they could not even explain.

They just KNOW.

It is NOT scriptural the way it is misused today.

No matter which translation of the Bible one uses, it still comes out the same – no parsing of words, no exceptions, just God’s own words.
1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(CJB) 22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.
(NAS) 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
(NLT) 22 So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
(NIV) 22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

 

[notuptome]

Clearly tongues are a sign gift. Sign gifts are for the Jews not Gentiles. Gentiles seek knowledge and Jews seek a sign.

1 Corinthians 13:8 there are three gifts that cease. Tongues happens to be one of them.

This subject continues to be litigated many times here on CC but there is no evidence that either side will be persuaded though a mountain of evidence be presented.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

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I don't know what the above has to do with what I posted in response to:

the point is our personal experience if it be good or bad does not change the Word of God or what He says about the Gift of the Holy Spirit. was not the example of the story you provided one of tongues suggesting it was blasphemy? I did read it in respect to your post. do you know if this story is true? the point is I could provide the same kind of story that show were tongues was used and people walked in and herd own language those Praising God. Both stories do not change that Tongues is a gift of the Holy Ghost as said in 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14. it does not change that paul was actually correcting abuse in his letter to the church and in his opening address to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit he said this in chapter 12
:1 Now CONCERNING(CAPS KJV) spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you Ignorant(uneducated).
:2 Ye know that ye were (past tense) gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

How does one KNOW if tongues are from God?

here you go
:3 Wherefore ( what is the wherefore there for?) I give you to Understand( not be Ignorant) that NO man ( or person) Speaking by the Spirit of God (AKA Holy Spirit) calleth Jesus accursed( blasphemy, speak ill of or disrespectful) and that no man can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. this means if you say Jesus Christ is Lord your action will confirm that to others and what you say and do will bring Glory to God. IF it does not do that then you know that it is not of God.

that is what the bible says not me....

 

[just-us-2]

Have faith of the Holy Spirit within you. …Even with that said. It is no longer in my heart to seek the gift of tongues. My grace is sufficient is what comes
to heart and mind on this matter. I again am content with that.

For it is not man we are trying to please or empress.

Indeed I do “Have faith of the Holy Spirit within you” and He has never told me to seek what men say is a great, spiritual experience. He has only told me to seek God and His will for my life. Hence, neither do I seek to babble something I cannot understand and claim it is praise or prayer to Almighty God. There is a story in the Bible about two men who thought they had a great idea for worshipping God – it just didn’t happen to be what God said to do. They died instantly. Levitcus 10:1-2 Nadab and Abihu. Man’s ways are so far removed from God’s ways it isn’t even funny.

 

[CS1]

Clearly tongues are a sign gift. Sign gifts are for the Jews not Gentiles. Gentiles seek knowledge and Jews seek a sign.

1 Corinthians 13:8 there are three gifts that cease. Tongues happens to be one of them.

This subject continues to be litigated many times here on CC but there is no evidence that either side will be persuaded though a mountain of evidence be presented.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

that is interesting of the Book of Acts which shows repeatedly gentiles filed with the Holy Ghost spoken in tongues. so to read 1cor 13:8 not in light of all chapters 12, 13 and 14 is not proper exegeses. because the same would have to be applied to Prophecies, and knowledge. this is explained in verses 9 10 and 11 which is not addressed in 1cor 13:8

 

[MadParrotWoman]

If the Holy Spirit wishes us to speak in tongues, it will happen with no input from ourselves. Anything that is forced or even thought about is no gift. I refuse to force a "gift" I don't have. I do believe some people have this ability but I believe even more force it and use it to show they are somehow more favoured than the rest of us.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I will take God’s Word over human “experience” anytime! I have known people who have lived their entire lives deceived because they did not bother to truly study, They believed the words of others rather than God Himself and got off on the ecstatic 'feeling' they got when they did this. Pretty sad. His Word trumps a thousand generations of human experience.
No matter which translation of the Bible one uses, it still comes out the same – no parsing of words, no exceptions, just God’s own words.

1 Corinthians 14:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(CJB) 22 Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers.
(NAS) 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.
(NLT) 22 So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
(NIV) 22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

Are there not unbelievers in every congregation?

 

[Calminian]

That's the thing though, speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, not necessarily a miracle. Say what you like, it's essentially a prayer language.

Okay, but why have you come to this conclusion? Why do we need a prayer language, and where does scripture say we need a prayer language? Does God not understand us when we speak to Him?

The whole thing just seems forced.

 

[Calminian]

Clearly tongues are a sign gift. Sign gifts are for the Jews not Gentiles.....

I'm not following this argument. God has shown signs to jews and gentiles. I think there are good arguments against tongues and bad ones. I fear this is the latter, and not helping the conversation.

 

[jdbear]

But there is 1cor chpter 12, 13, 14 that speak very clearly of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues is one of them that Paul said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to desire spiritual gifts including tongues. he said to be mature and in order so God is glorified that being said yep plenty of abuses just like Pastors who are too a gift to the church as in Scripture. But that is why Paul said if you are wanting to then leave you alone. you find that in 1 cor 14.


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Re: False tongues, are you being decieved?

"The passionate, sometimes rhythmic, language-like patter that pours forth from religious people who “speak in tongues” reflects a state of mental possession, many of them say. Now they have some neuroscience to back them up.
Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were..."



I find it very interesting that a Christian would bring in University of Pennsylvania as authoritative and using a term they do not even believe in to prove a position or explain it " state of mental possession"
LOL
this should not for a bible Believing Christian take authority over 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14 or mark 16, or Eph 6 and many other scriptural ref: to the power and gifting of the Holy Spirit Not to mention the 120 who spoken Tongues and were mocked ​

The only gift of tongues the Bible speaks of are foreign languages used to spread the gospel.

 

[CS1]

Indeed I do “Have faith of the Holy Spirit within you” and He has never told me to seek what men say is a great, spiritual experience. He has only told me to seek God and His will for my life. Hence, neither do I seek to babble something I cannot understand and claim it is praise or prayer to Almighty God. There is a story in the Bible about two men who thought they had a great idea for worshipping God – it just didn’t happen to be what God said to do. They died instantly. Levitcus 10:1-2 Nadab and Abihu. Man’s ways are so far removed from God’s ways it isn’t even funny.

nor do I seek to babble as you say but want all that God has to offer as a gift for HIS glory nor am I going to speak ill of the Holy Spirit on what HE calls tongues . I would not look at two examples of how those two men with in there flesh sought to worship God as a Christian Jesus and His word tell me how I should do worship. IN the Spirit and with truth Jesus is the way the truth and the Life . Acts chp 2 is all Holy Spirit as it was recorded

 

[jdbear]

Really? Who told you? I should believe YOU over the scriptures? Evidence please?

If you understood what Paul was saying you would know this.