First Resurrection Part 2
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I believe that the nature of the 7 churches found in Rev. are all three past, present and future, that each is spiritual reality found in most churches in some form or fashion. I personally have been in churches today which seemingly operated on some level like one, possibly even two, of 7 churches.
I would also agree with Shroom that the future of the church is being addressed as well.
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Yes, we are. We are saved. But you think we are reigning now with Christ. What does he have you doing? I believe that when we do reign with Christ, we will have actual things to do.
How does God see it?
Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
1 John 5:19)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Yes, all creation declares the glory of God.
Yes, Jesus Christ is EVERYTHING. He is the fulcrum of history, the subject of the bible from Gen 3:15 to Rev 22:21. The promises we have of reigning with him are absolutely guaranteed. But they are not realized yet. Oftentimes in God's word when the certainty of a future outcome is known, it is spoken of in the past tense.
How does God see it?
Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
1 John 5:19)And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
Yes, all creation declares the glory of God.
Yes, Jesus Christ is EVERYTHING. He is the fulcrum of history, the subject of the bible from Gen 3:15 to Rev 22:21. The promises we have of reigning with him are absolutely guaranteed. But they are not realized yet. Oftentimes in God's word when the certainty of a future outcome is known, it is spoken of in the past tense.
Several reasons.
John was in the spirit (receiving revelation) about the Lord's Day (the end times).
The letters in Rev are addressed to the angels of the seven churches. None of the other church epistles are addressed to angels, they are addressed directly to the saints, the faithful in Christ.
There is a Jewish "nature" to the seven letters. "Synagogues", "golden lampstands", "seven stars" are mentioned. Again, you do not see this type of stuff in the church epistles.
There are several statements mentioning "him that overcometh" will be saved, not be hurt, give power over nations, etc. Christians are saved NOW. We are born again of God's spirit. It is seed. We cannot lose it.
There are more.
Everything is "soon" to God. Several things in the bible are prophesied to come to pass "soon" and took hundreds of years to come to pass. There are several examples in the OT, but I don't have my notes at the moment.... I will try and locate them tonight.
But until then
Rom 16:20)And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
Rev 22:12 12) And, behold, I come quickly;
Rev 22:20) Surely I come quickly.
none of those things have happened yet and it's been nearly 2000 years since they were written.
John was in the spirit (receiving revelation) about the Lord's Day (the end times).
The letters in Rev are addressed to the angels of the seven churches. None of the other church epistles are addressed to angels, they are addressed directly to the saints, the faithful in Christ.
There is a Jewish "nature" to the seven letters. "Synagogues", "golden lampstands", "seven stars" are mentioned. Again, you do not see this type of stuff in the church epistles.
There are several statements mentioning "him that overcometh" will be saved, not be hurt, give power over nations, etc. Christians are saved NOW. We are born again of God's spirit. It is seed. We cannot lose it.
There are more.
Everything is "soon" to God. Several things in the bible are prophesied to come to pass "soon" and took hundreds of years to come to pass. There are several examples in the OT, but I don't have my notes at the moment.... I will try and locate them tonight.
But until then
Rom 16:20)And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
Rev 22:12 12) And, behold, I come quickly;
Rev 22:20) Surely I come quickly.
none of those things have happened yet and it's been nearly 2000 years since they were written.
C
Got ya'.
Interesting topic though. Maybe when I have more time, I 'll be able share why I believe each of the 7 churches is a spiritual reality that existed at the time John wrote the book of Revelation, give a few historical examples of how each existed throughout different periods of church history, talk about how each exist today, then give a few scriptural examples of how each will effect the end time church as well.
His having me to love Him and thy neighbor. Looking through the eyes of love is what declares the glory of God but hatred which is the opposite is what the world sees it as.
Even if it lieth in wickedness we don't see it through the eyes of the word but as God sees it..
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. Habakkuk 2:14 (KJV)
And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen. Psalm 72:19 (KJV)
And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
Even if it lieth in wickedness we don't see it through the eyes of the word but as God sees it..
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. Habakkuk 2:14 (KJV)
And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen. Psalm 72:19 (KJV)
And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)
Cronjecj,
(His having me to love Him and thy neighbor. Looking through the eyes of love is what declares the glory of God but hatred which is the opposite is what the world sees it as.)
Oh, how I wish this were true of you now cronjecj, your love has limits,
You still see God destroying billions and billions of people, children, teens,
mothers, fathers, friends, etc. etc. just because someone has not seen or
heard them repenting and turning to the Lord before they died.
Wasn't it you who said "No Second chances?"
I'm curious about something, what do you and Anandahya think that
the lake of fire is?
Love with Limits.........hummmm.
I sure am glad our Father's Love has no limits.
Or Boundaries, His Grace is Unconditional.
Infinitly tormented, for finite sins.
So Sad,
(His having me to love Him and thy neighbor. Looking through the eyes of love is what declares the glory of God but hatred which is the opposite is what the world sees it as.)
Oh, how I wish this were true of you now cronjecj, your love has limits,
You still see God destroying billions and billions of people, children, teens,
mothers, fathers, friends, etc. etc. just because someone has not seen or
heard them repenting and turning to the Lord before they died.
Wasn't it you who said "No Second chances?"
I'm curious about something, what do you and Anandahya think that
the lake of fire is?
Love with Limits.........hummmm.
I sure am glad our Father's Love has no limits.
Or Boundaries, His Grace is Unconditional.
Infinitly tormented, for finite sins.
So Sad,
R
continue that quotation...verse six says those who have a part in the first resurrection will reign with christ for 1,000 years...so it doesn't seem to be limited to only those who were beheaded for rejecting the beast...
if the millennium is now and if all christians have a part in the first resurrection then we should -all- be reigning with jesus right now...and i just don't see that being the case...
if the millennium is now and if all christians have a part in the first resurrection then we should -all- be reigning with jesus right now...and i just don't see that being the case...
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I didn't say that all Christians are part of the first resurrection.
Only those who have put on the incorruptible. to do that they put off these corruptible bodies.
Romans 8:22-24
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
while we are in this world with these corruptible bodies we run the race God has set us to and do the good works He saved us to do. we are saved in hope.
Only those who have put on the incorruptible. to do that they put off these corruptible bodies.
Romans 8:22-24
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
while we are in this world with these corruptible bodies we run the race God has set us to and do the good works He saved us to do. we are saved in hope.