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South_FLA

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So according to you, Scriptures = Bible?

In that case "ALL Bibles are given by inspiration of God"?

In that case NIV, ESV, KJV, NASB, BLB are all inspired.

No, there is a difference between word of God, Scriptures, Bible.
I believe the King James contains the perfect inspired scripture which proceeded from the mouth of God. And again I refer to Revelation 22:18-19. It is impossible to have multiple English versions because they all say different things, so not all the words can be pure. Its that simple.
 

South_FLA

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This is a Bible discussion forum. Not a youtube video propagation forum. :)

You cannot expect you post videos and nobody will discuss what you have posted.

Also, because you probably watched those videos, you should be able to answer our objections without any problem.
My brain isn't a computer I can't remember every little thing the man says. I stated in an earlier post that I did not want to debate with anyone because we will never agree. This is why I said if people had an issue, contact the man in the videos.
 

trofimus

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I believe the King James contains the perfect inspired scripture which proceeded from the mouth of God. And again I refer to Revelation 22:18-19. It is impossible to have multiple English versions because they all say different things, so not all the words can be pure. Its that simple.
You believe this, yes. But it has no base in Scriptures or reality... All your proofs were about something else than the English Bible edition.
 

trofimus

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My brain isn't a computer I can't remember every little thing the man says. I stated in an earlier post that I did not want to debate with anyone because we will never agree. This is why I said if people had an issue, contact the man in the videos.
Commenting on youtube makes the video more visible to others. So its very useful for an author to redirect the discussion there :)

I understand you cannot remember every detail of that man, but you also believe in the KJV Only, so you should be able to answer basic objections, right?

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1. where were words of God preserved before the KJV (at least 3 examples, you do not have to come with all the 5000 years history)

2. why exactly do you believe that the KJV Bible = words of God.
 

South_FLA

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Commenting on youtube makes the video more visible to others. So its very useful for an author to redirect the discussion there :)

I understand you cannot remember every detail of that man, but you also believe in the KJV Only, so you should be able to answer basic objections, right?

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1. where were words of God preserved before the KJV (at least 3 examples, you do not have to come with all the 5000 years history)

2. why exactly do you believe that the KJV Bible = words of God.
I don't want to debate with my brothers because my answers are so elementary. Its obvious that I just stand and have an incredible faith in the King James. I really don't feel like continuing this conversation bro. The man has a video that answers your question, just watch it.
 

trofimus

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I don't want to debate with my brothers because my answers are so elementary. Its obvious that I just stand and have an incredible faith in the King James. I really don't feel like continuing this conversation bro. The man has a video that answers your question, just watch it.
You also "answered" my questions. But not all answers are good :) I have seen many videos about the KJV Only and every one is very manipulative and wrong in facts.

But ok, I cannot force you to discuss it.
 

South_FLA

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To answer your 2nd question, I believe the King James is the one true word of God in English based off the blessings I've received and the miracles done in my brothers lives who are avid KJB readers. I do not come to the King James with a critical spirit, but a believing spirit.
 

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You also "answered" my questions. But not all answers are good :) I have seen many videos about the KJV Only and every one is very manipulative and wrong in facts.

But ok, I cannot force you to discuss it.
If you disagree that's fine. This is why I wanted the people who disagreed to comment on his videos so I can see where the conversation goes. The man is adequate for deep and sophisticated debates. Feel free to prove him wrong.
 

trofimus

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To answer your 2nd question, I believe the King James is the one true word of God in English based off the blessings I've received and the miracles done in my brothers lives who are avid KJB readers. I do not come to the King James with a critical spirit, but a believing spirit.
This subjective proof can be used about any translation. I have received blessings from NIV, for example.
 

trofimus

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If you disagree that's fine. This is why I wanted the people who disagreed to comment on his videos so I can see where the conversation goes. The man is adequate for deep and sophisticated debates. Feel free to prove him wrong.
Youtube is not a discussion platform. Author of the video can delete any post he wants, to block discussion for any time he wants etc.

Feel free to invite him here.

I tried the first video first minutes and he made the same mistakes you are making. Scriptures = Bible etc. So he will not be any star, either.
 
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South_FLA

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This subjective proof can be used about any translation. I have received blessings from NIV, for example.
Okay do you believe that an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent God is able to leave a perfect record, with every word being pure from his mouth, in a collection of 66 books?
 

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Youtube is not a discussion platform. Author of the video can delete any post he wants, to block discussion for any time he wants etc.

Feel free to invite him here.

I tried the first video first minutes and he made the same mistakes you are making. Scriptures = Bible etc. So he will not be any star, either.
I can't just invite him here lol I don't know him personally. This is a guy with responsibilities and will not care to make an account on here just to debate some random critics. This is why I said comment on his videos since you think he's wrong, and have a real debate with him. If you're right, it won't hurt to try. He is not so childish and cowardly to remove or disable your comments.

My own personal answers will not satisfy you. I will keep referring to the verses in the kjb to prove my points. Maybe if Nehemiah6 (he commented on this thread earlier) was here he could debate you but I'm not on that level lol. But I do aspire to learn about all the manuscripts and stuff future in life.
 

trofimus

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Okay do you believe that an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent God is able to leave a perfect record, with every word being pure from his mouth, in a collection of 66 books?
Yes, I believe that an omnipotent God can do whatever He wants.

This is not an argument for anything specific.
 

trofimus

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My own personal answers will not satisfy you. I will keep referring to the verses in the kjb to prove my points. Maybe if Nehemiah6 (he commented on this thread earlier) was here he could debate you but I'm not on that level lol. But I do aspire to learn about all the manuscripts and stuff future in life.
1. You must realize the difference between a) words of God, b) Scriptures, c) Scriptures' collection, edition, translation and print - Bible.

2. You cant have a perfect Bible translated from imperfect sources. No two manuscripts are the same. The reading of the KJV is a compilation. It does not represent any existing manuscript.

3. You cannot prove your point by "God can preserve" when you cant actually show any preserved text in the history. Give me some examples.
 

South_FLA

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Yes, I believe that an omnipotent God can do whatever He wants.

This is not an argument for anything specific.
Okay. Clearly you don't believe God can leave a perfect record in the English language. Case closed. We disagree.
 
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Was King James in the bible? Check-mate.

In all honesty, the King James Bible is great I love it, but I want to repeat my question here again; What is the preserved word of God for finnish people? You see some languages do not have any translation from the textus receptus.
 
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trofimus

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Okay. Clearly you don't believe God can leave a perfect record in the English language. Case closed. We disagree.
I said I believe He can do that.

You said I clearly do not believe God can do that.

'You be good logic, young padavan'.
 

trofimus

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Was King James in the bible? Check-mate.

In all honesty, the King James Bible is great I love it, but I want to repeat my question here again; What is the preserved word of God for finnish people? You see some languages do not have any translation from the textus receptus.
Do not worry, Textus Receptus is not perfect either.
 

South_FLA

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I said I believe He can do that.

You said I clearly do not believe God can do that.

'You be good logic, young padavan'.
Okay let me make a correction, do you believe that he DID leave a perfect record in the English language?