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trofimus

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Okay let me make a correction, do you believe that he DID leave a perfect record in the English language?
No, why should I believe that? Why would He leave a perfect English record for 300 years only and not in any other language or history of thousands years?
 

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No, why should I believe that?
Cool, we disagree. Why should you believe it? Because God said that every word of his will be preserved and is pure. If every word of God is pure, there simply cannot be multiple English versions that are all accurate because they're all different, therefore breaking the purity promise. But you don't believe that the English language has his pure word. So I offered you to debate someone who is adequate to debate you (which I actually stated to do in the OP) but you keep declining out of pride or something.
 
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trofimus

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Cool, we disagree. Why should you believe it? Because God said that every word of his will be preserved and is pure. If every word of God is pure, there simply cannot be multiple English versions that are all accurate because they're all different, therefore breaking the purity promise. But you don't believe that the English language has his pure word. So I offered you to debate someone who is adequate with debating you (which I actually stated to do in the OP) but you keep declining out of pride or something.
1. You again make an equation between words of God and a Bible edition. Wrong

2. Your idea of preservation - which were the pure preserved Bibles before the KJV and where are they in other languages like German, Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese etc.

If you believe that only the KJV is preserved, its not a preservation through history and languages but a miraculous unique point in history.
 
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Do not worry, Textus Receptus is not perfect either.
do u believe in any bible? even da greek isnt inspired? we just make it up as we go along. pick and choose? this is true this isnt true, this verse is a corruption this verse isnt. man is da final authority there.
 

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1. You again make an equation between words of God and a Bible edition. Wrong

2. Your idea of preservation - which were the pure preserved Bibles before the KJV and where are they in other languages like German, Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese etc.

If you believe that only the KJV is preserved, its not a preservation through history and languages but a miraculous unique point in history.
So according to you, what is the word of God? Where is it? Only in heaven with God?
 

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do u believe in any bible? even da greek isnt inspired? we just make it up as we go along. pick and choose? this is true this isnt true, this verse is a corruption this verse isnt. man is da final authority there.
I believe in God. Any Bible edition is compiled, chosen, translated and printed by people. Some are very good and precise, some are so-so and some are bad.

God can use even the bad ones.

If you do not want any man to be your authority, do not use any Bible translation. Read manuscripts directly. This is impossible task. So, I am sorry, you must accept that the Church is a body and we use what others built. We are not individuals living with Bibles fallen from heaven. Church is an organism, one does this, one does that. And yes, we are humans.
 
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So according to you, what is the word of God? Where is it? Only in heaven with God?
Words of God are sayings God says.

If you want to read them, you need many humans to make it possible for you.

No Bible ever fell down from heaven. Its a long process made by Church or, generally said, by people of God.
 

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Words of God are sayings God says.

If you want to read them, you need many humans to make it possible for you.

No Bible ever fell down from heaven. Its a long process made by Church or generally said by people of God.
Do you believe God influenced every person with his Holy Spirit to write down every single word he wanted them to? The people who he was using to write his word that is.
 
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I believe in God. Any Bible edition is compiled, chosen, translated and printed by people. Some are very good and precise, some are so-so and some are bad.

God can use even the bad ones.

If you do not want any man to be your authority, do not use any Bible translation. Read manuscripts directly. This is impossible task. So, I am sorry, you must accept that the Church is a body and we use what others built. We are not individuals living with Bibles fallen from heaven. Church is an organism, one does this, one does that. And yes, we are humans.
and this is why we got all sorts of yoga garbage in our churches today. bcuz of attitude like this. how do u decide what verse is right and what isnt? from da original manuscripts that dont exist. this logic makes the bible as reliable as the writings of any book out there.
"i believe in God" means nothing, so do the devils and every other religion on the planet.
 
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Do you believe God influenced every person with his Holy Spirit to write down every single word he wanted them to? The people who he was using to write his word that is.
Inspiration of original Scriptures is not an automatic dictation like in spiritism.

There are various kinds of Scriptures:
a) prophecies - I believe these are really very dictated (Isaiah etc)
b) songs, poetry - I believe these are not dictated, only inspired (Psalms, proverbs etc)
c) letters, history books - I believe these are also only inspired, not dictated word for word (Samuel, Kings, Gospels, Paul's letters etc)
 

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and this is why we got all sorts of yoga garbage in our churches today. bcuz of attitude like this. how do u decide what verse is right and what isnt? from da original manuscripts that dont exist. this logic makes the bible as reliable as the writings of any book out there.
"i believe in God" means nothing, so do the devils and every other religion on the planet.
Well, you must do some work. You must actually use some sources and study to know what verses are certain, which are probable and which are added later.

Or you can let some scholars to do it for you. Its your choice.

The KJV did not fall from heaven. There was a long process made by people leading to it. And, what a surprise, they did some mistakes.
 

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"i believe in God" means nothing, so do the devils and every other religion on the planet.
I believe in Triune God. It means everything if also deeds are present.
 
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I believe in Triune God. It means everything if also deeds are present.
well i dont know, maybe all those verses about doing stuff were jsut added. :rolleyes: i gotta check from da original manuscripts. whoops dont have any.
 

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Inspiration of original Scriptures is not an automatic dictation like in spiritism.

There are various kinds of Scriptures:
a) prophecies - I believe these are really very dictated (Isaiah etc)
b) songs, poetry - I believe these are not dictated, only inspired (Psalms, proverbs etc)
c) letters, history books - I believe these are also only inspired, not dictated word for word (Samuel, Kings, Gospels, Paul's letters etc)
So you don't agree with Matthew 4:4? You're saying that I can rip out the psalms, songs, and a good chunk of the new testament because according to you they are written by man and not God?
 
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So you don't agree with Matthew 4:4? You're saying that I can rip out the psalms, songs, and a good chunk of the new testament because according to you they are written by man and not God?
this is why in many churches 1 timothy 2:12 is not followed among many other things.
 
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I am King James only because I believe God left a perfect bible here on earth. There cannot be multiple perfect versions because they all say different things. I realize my stance annoys people. I shared this playlist for the King James supporters to watch and if anyone has a rebuttal please feel free to leave a comment on one of their vids. Not here to debate.

God said he would preserve his words here on earth.

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Now how about validating your beliefs. Go find out who King James was and why he wanted that translation.

You know what you get? An amazing story about how some idiot wanted to change the Bible, but God wouldn't let him. Dare to learn.
 

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well i dont know, maybe all those verses about doing stuff were jsut added. :rolleyes: i gotta check from da original manuscripts. whoops dont have any.
These were not added. You can check that in history of transmission.
 
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These were not added. You can check that in history of transmission.
ok. what about 1 timothy 2:12 was that added? i have a feeling u got some way to do away with that verse. i could be and i hope im wrong.
and also, which verses were added? i know u dont believe 1 john 5:7 belongs there but are there any other verses added? specific ones.
 

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So you don't agree with Matthew 4:4? You're saying that I can rip out the psalms, songs, and a good chunk of the new testament because according to you they are written by man and not God?
"Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God"
Mt 4:4

I believe this. But it does not mean you live by reading the KJV translation only.

Every Bible edition that contains words of God as recorded in Scriptures translated in an acceptable way can give you that.
 

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Now how about validating your beliefs. Go find out who King James was and why he wanted that translation.

You know what you get? An amazing story about how some idiot wanted to change the Bible, but God wouldn't let him. Dare to learn.
The Word of God validates my beliefs. If you want a debate, take it up with the man in the video sis.