For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Isdaniel]

Abraham I believe like David was by faith... Correct me if I'm wrong

How do you reconcile this with Romans 4 as pertaing to Abraham

James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[Isdaniel]

Sin? I think again not completely sure

circumcision was the issue a jew could be circumcised and not be saved while a gentile could not be circumcised and be saved

that was the dispute not the ten commandments the bondage was circumcision the jews wanted to bring the Gentiles in

1 Corinthians 7:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

 

[alexis]

circumcision was the issue a jew could be circumcised and not be saved while a gentile could not be circumcised and be saved

that was the dispute not the ten commandments the bondage was circumcision the jews wanted to bring the Gentiles in

1 Corinthians 7:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Okay that makes complete sense... They didn't need that for salvation. I understand

 

[Isdaniel]

The Galations scripture seems to me to not be a law of the ten, unless it is putting no God's before God... I'm kinda confused by it and would need to read the surrounding text to know for sure but I take it as anyone who is consumed by following the law has not committed to faith and loses the grace of our Lord. Mostly I think it would be referring followers to put their faith in Jesus and His grace not in deeds...

Please clarify if I'm totally missing the point

i usally dont put links because no one bothers to read them but i think this will help

Does The Bible Contradict Itself? TheTwo Laws Contrasted

 

[alexis]

How do you reconcile this with Romans 4 as pertaing to Abraham

James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

I read this to say claiming faith but not showing your faith in your actions is not truly faith..

For example I follow Christ. Now me saying that is great but by sitting at lunch with the girl no one will eat with at school and genuinely caring about her and loving her as Christ asks, I show my faith.

Maybe not the greatest example but that's what I'm reading in this... My faith would not mean anything if I mistreated that girl. Because at that point I'm saying I follow Christ but not acting so, it's just words.

 

[Isdaniel]

I read this to say claiming faith but not showing your faith in your actions is not truly faith..

For example I follow Christ. Now me saying that is great but by sitting at lunch with the girl no one will eat with at school and genuinely caring about her and loving her as Christ asks, I show my faith.

Maybe not the greatest example but that's what I'm reading in this... My faith would not mean anything if I mistreated that girl. Because at that point I'm saying I follow Christ but not acting so, it's just words.

Was the theif on the cross saved by faith alone ?

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=3]Romans 3:31[/h]King James Version (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[alexis]

Was the theif on the cross saved by faith alone ?

At first glance it would seem as yes but possibly not he was kind and said something about him deserving to be there but Jesus not deserving to be there. So he repented admitting his sin and showed love and compassion. Of course it was in Christ's grace and mercy that saved him.

 

[Isdaniel]

At first glance it would seem as yes but possibly not he was kind and said something about him deserving to be there but Jesus not deserving to be there. So he repented admitting his sin and showed love and compassion. Of course it was in Christ's grace and mercy that saved him.

he was saved by faith and works as to the situation he was in thus grace was imparted unto him

what if he did not ask but had faith hmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

Does The Bible Contradict Itself? TheTwo Laws Contrasted

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Does The Bible Contradict Itself? TheTwo Laws Contrasted

It makes a false distinction between the law of Moses and the law of GOD. It is all the law of GOD given through Moses, and the bible calls it all the law of Moses. Jesus himself even called it the law of Moses.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

he was saved by faith and works as to the situation he was in thus grace was imparted unto him

what if he did not ask but had faith hmmm

It is easy, If he did not have faith (his faith was dead) he never would have asked. He asked because he had faith (it was real) it was, however, his faith which saved him, not his work. His work proceeded from of his faith.
If works are essential. Christ died for nothing. because we could save ourselves by just trusting in God and working (which is what the pharisees, and most every religion on earth teaches)

This is what separates all religions (including religious Christianity) from true Christianity

 

[chubbena]

It also says this was to occur throughout their generations. Manna was only given for a short time, But the command continued even when the manna stopped.

Lets not be as the pharisees and pick and chose what to obey and what not to obey

Read the chapter you quoted one more time and see if God has commanded what you said He has.
Pharisee, to my understanding, is someone to add to God's law and make it a burden.

 

[chubbena]

I am sticking to the topic of the thread. Sabbath. I am not singling out sabbath, that is the topic.

Good one. A very good example that sabbath keepers once again are judged. Not the other way round. Remember you said:

My point is, Those who are judging people because they think they do not follow the sabbath have no right to judge. Because if we follow the letter of the law. They who judge are most likely guilty themselves.

Judge not lest ye be judged comes to mind

 

[alexis]

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

I have accepted God's gift- Jesus Christ; He has taken away my sin. As He has taken away my sin, I am born again in His sight- not by what I DO, but by what He has DONE.

it is not about DO... It is about DONE...

I live for Christ not to earn His favor, but I live for Christ because it is already mine... By God's grace I am saved..

Love you all,
lexi

 

[chubbena]

I was asking you the questions.
More questions:
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done - what does it mean to you?
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath.... - what does it mean to you?
Mark 2:27....Sabbath was made for man... - what does it mean to you?
Luke 23:56.......But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment - what does it mean to you?

did Adam & Eve observe Sabbath?

Wasn't it my question to you?

show me the commandment

Yeshua said "sabbath is made for man". When was sabbath made? Gen 2:3. The reason I asked what Gen 2:3 meant to you.

Abram? post it.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws - what does it mean to you?

Noah? post it.

Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. Guess what he did on the day God blessed and made holy.

if it was so important from creation - why didn't God go out of His way to make it clear (TO YOU).?

He did.

answer - it was given to Israel. IN THE LAW.

It's not something new given for the law said: Remember the sabbath.

 

[Huckleberry]

Let's keep this for Sabbath keepers only to see where we all stand.

I voted. Guess I shouldn't have.

Would you explain this, for lack of a better term, "class" of
Christians you lump yourself in with called "Sabbath keepers"?

Does your whole schedule revolve around this "keeping-of-the-Sabbath"?

What does one do, or refrain from doing, to properly "keep the Sabbath"?

And what is your belief concerning salvation, with regard to the "keeping-of-the-Sabbath"?

Just curious.

 

[JaumeJ]

As in other posts on the same or similar subject may I remind those who believe that the Law has not been abolished. By our Lord and Master, Yeshua, the law has been removed from stone and placed in our hearts. We, our new nature, are now law for ourselves because we obey the law by nature, new nature. Therefore why argue. If we do not obey our hearts, we are in sin, for the law is now on our hearts.

The law has not been abolished, it has been moved. We live in grace with the law on our hearts. If we break any, it is still sin, but we live in grace, and the guilt of our sin is no longer recognized by our Father, only grace.

 

[Kerry]

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

I have accepted God's gift- Jesus Christ; He has taken away my sin. As He has taken away my sin, I am born again in His sight- not by what I DO, but by what He has DONE.

it is not about DO... It is about DONE...

I live for Christ not to earn His favor, but I live for Christ because it is already mine... By God's grace I am saved..

Love you all,
lexi

Moderators we have a bug I have tried to reply to this twice and it says that I need ten characters. So ten Characters okay.

Out of the mouth of babes, Amen.

 

[RedTent]

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What does one do, or refrain from doing, to properly "keep the Sabbath"?
And what is your belief concerning salvation, with regard to the "keeping-of-the-Sabbath"?
Just curious.

I am someone who believes that scripture tells me to keep the Sabbath and that there is no scripture that is given to us that should be read as instructions not to keep it.

After much study of scripture, I believe that to follow what God asks about "keep the Sabbath" we use the day to live out complete faith in Him. God says to take care of our responsibilities (work) for six days. When God says to rest in Him those days, it is misinterpreting God to say that it means we aren't to be productive. For the Sabbath, it is an attitude of trusting so completely in God we don't work for ourselves.

As far as what this has to do with salvation, I think we have to first accept that salvation is only in God's hands. It is a personal covenant between a person and God. God gives it freely, our part in this covenant is to repent. That means we are to be honest with ourselves and God, listen to what God wants of us, and do our best to walk in the path God lays out and repent when we find we haven't. It requires faith in all God is and says. With this in mind, God lays out a path for us of honoring the Sabbath as one part of this.

There are many other things about walking with God to understand, and many people have brought them up as a reason not to listen to God about the Sabbath. I don't think there is one other thing we are to understand about God that, even though we follow what God says, results in refusing to listen to God's instruction to "keep the Sabbath".