For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Isdaniel]

About 33 AD,you should know that,and the Gentiles were included very shortly afterwards. But what that have to do with the Apostles not writing to the Gentile churches about the Sabbath? You can not find it. It's not there.

Was woman made for the Jews alone ? nope they were not they were made for man

1 Corinthians 11:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


Was the sabbath made for the Jews only ? Nope the sabbath was made for man

Mark 2:27

King James Version (KJV)

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:


lets see
Woman created after man thus woman for man
Sabbath created after man thus sabbath for man

 

[JaumeJ]

Are you so into yourself that you do not already know the Apostles were teachng the faith of Abraham from the writings, the same writings you have named the Old Testament? Please, think about what you are saying in your posts, even if you are not paying attention to the replies.

About 33 AD,you should know that,and the Gentiles were included very shortly afterwards. But what that have to do with the Apostles not writing to the Gentile churches about the Sabbath? You can not find it. It's not there.

 

[SarahM777]

2) Can you show me where they actually kept the first day of the week?

I have asked this question several times, but instead of replying, I get more of the party line.

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

 

[john832]

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

and we just went throught that bit about Acts 20:7 and found it was the first Sabbath of the seven that leads up to Pentecost.

I think the appropriate phrase here is, don't confuse here with scripture, her mind is made up.

 

[Isdaniel]

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

When does a day starts biblically ?

 

[Isdaniel]

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

Do you do all what the apostles did on the first day ? Why or Why not ?

 

[Isdaniel]

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

Jesus was not resurrected on the first day you shold lok at this and let me here your thoughts


[video=youtube;PpwAWHes1y0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PpwAWHes1y0[/video]

 

[SarahM777]

Are you so into yourself that you do not already know the Apostles were teachng the faith of Abraham from the writings, the same writings you have named the Old Testament? Please, think about what you are saying in your posts, even if you are not paying attention to the replies.

Do you even read what MOSES SO PLAINLY SAID to the Israelites.

Exodus 31

12 Then the Lord said to Moses,13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the
Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20

8 “‘But they rebelled against me and would not listen to me; they did not get rid of the vile images they had set their eyes on, nor did they forsake the idols of Egypt. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in Egypt. 9 But for the sake of my name, I brought them out of Egypt. I did it to keep my name from being profaned in the eyes of the nations among whom they lived and in whose sight I had revealed myself to the Israelites. 10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which the person who obeys them will live. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

It was a SIGN between the Jews and God that they would know it was Him who made them Holy. Where does the Bible ever say that it was a sign between God and the gentiles?

And no where in the Bible can you find that God charges the Gentiles for BREAKING the Sabbath. The other nine absolutely,but never the Sabbath day. Only the Jews were charged with breaking the Sabbath but never the Gentiles.

 

[Isdaniel]

Do you even read what MOSES SO PLAINLY SAID to the Israelites.

Exodus 31

12 Then the Lord said to Moses,13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the
Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20

8 “‘But they rebelled against me and would not listen to me; they did not get rid of the vile images they had set their eyes on, nor did they forsake the idols of Egypt. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in Egypt. 9 But for the sake of my name, I brought them out of Egypt. I did it to keep my name from being profaned in the eyes of the nations among whom they lived and in whose sight I had revealed myself to the Israelites. 10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which the person who obeys them will live. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

It was a SIGN between the Jews and God that they would know it was Him who made them Holy. Where does the Bible ever say that it was a sign between God and the gentiles?

And no where in the Bible can you find that God charges the Gentiles for BREAKING the Sabbath. The other nine absolutely,but never the Sabbath day. Only the Jews were charged with breaking the Sabbath but never the Gentiles.

Who is an Israelite ? tWe are going with your reasoning now ok that it was for israel

 

[JaumeJ]

The Sheep of Yeshua's pasture may worship any day of the week. Why is there any question about Yahweh's command to mark the seventh day and remember it. Are you just here to cause turmoil, perhaps an attempt to destroy the faith of others? If you ae not discussing the Sabbath of Yahweh, His command, then what are you discussing? If you are coming just to argue, I am afraid you are in the wrong forum. Discussion, yes, but tampering with the faith of others just because you think you can create an arguiment is not of Yeshua. " Strangely, Yeshua rose on the third day after His crucifixion." Are you looking for signs. He told us, taught us to keep the commandments and that is not some dreamed up doctrine. I think I am finished with you for now.

The first day of the week was a gathering of the believers. Not once did they ever say it was the Sabbath. Strangely enough that is also the VERY same day of the week that Jesus rose from the dead and showed Himself alive to the disciples and Mary. And again the following week He showed Himself alive to Thomas on the FIRST DAY of the week. Strangely enough Paul also says he broke bread with the believers on the FIRST DAY of the week.

 

[SarahM777]

and we just went throught that bit about Acts 20:7 and found it was the first Sabbath of the seven that leads up to Pentecost.

I think the appropriate phrase here is, don't confuse here with scripture, her mind is made up.

UMMM Sorry but the Bible does not say it was the FIRST SABBATH it says the first day Mark very specifically says AFTER THE SABBATH WAS OVER

Mark 16

16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”

9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. 10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. 11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

Luke 24

24 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

John 20

20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Sorry the Bible is very clear it was on the first DAY OF THE WEEK AND NOT the first Sabbath.

 

[didymos]

...The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

(Mark 2:27)

 

[JaumeJ]

As mentioned, I do not believe you know what an Israelite is. You do use a lot of words. Now, I am going to have to leave you because your posts result to be a big waste of my time here.

Do you even read what MOSES SO PLAINLY SAID to the Israelites.

Exodus 31

12 Then the Lord said to Moses,13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the
Lord, who makes you holy.

Ezekiel 20

8 “‘But they rebelled against me and would not listen to me; they did not get rid of the vile images they had set their eyes on, nor did they forsake the idols of Egypt. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in Egypt. 9 But for the sake of my name, I brought them out of Egypt. I did it to keep my name from being profaned in the eyes of the nations among whom they lived and in whose sight I had revealed myself to the Israelites. 10 Therefore I led them out of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws, by which the person who obeys them will live. 12 Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy.

It was a SIGN between the Jews and God that they would know it was Him who made them Holy. Where does the Bible ever say that it was a sign between God and the gentiles?

And no where in the Bible can you find that God charges the Gentiles for BREAKING the Sabbath. The other nine absolutely,but never the Sabbath day. Only the Jews were charged with breaking the Sabbath but never the Gentiles.

 

[Isdaniel]

UMMM Sorry but the Bible does not say it was the FIRST SABBATH it says the first day Mark very specifically says AFTER THE SABBATH WAS OVER

Mark 16

16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”

9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping.11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.

Luke 24

24 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb,3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

John 20

20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,“Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Sorry the Bible is very clear it was on the first DAY OF THE WEEK AND NOT the first Sabbath.

hmmm sorry the bible say Jesus was resurrected on the sabbath a day starts in the evening and not midnight
[h=3]Matthew 28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.



Note a day starts at the sunset thus it was on the end of the sabbath , sabbath had not finish and the firstday was approaching which was at the sunset (began to dawn towards the first day )

 

[SarahM777]

The Sheep of Yeshua's pasture may worship any day of the week. Why is there any question about Yahweh's command to mark the seventh day and remember it. Are you just here to cause turmoil, perhaps an attempt to destroy the faith of others? If you ae not discussing the Sabbath of Yahweh, His command, then what are you discussing? If you are coming just to argue, I am afraid you are in the wrong forum. Discussion, yes, but tampering with the faith of others just because you think you can create an arguiment is not of Yeshua. " Strangely, Yeshua rose on the third day after His crucifixion." Are you looking for signs. He told us, taught us to keep the commandments and that is not some dreamed up doctrine. I think I am finished with you for now.

Sorry Jamie,

But when the title of the thread is how does obedience to the Sabbath affect your salvation it's a bit more then someone just observing or not observing the Sabbath. If someone wishes to put up threads that in and of themselves will cause others who do NOT agree with you to stumble then why are you yourself arguing it,are you not tampering with some else's faith when the Bible clearly says this

Colossians 2

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Isn't that what this whole is actually about is JUDGING someone else because they do not agree with you on a SABBATH DAY? Or is it really OK for you to judge them about what they think and feel about the Sabbath because they disagree with you or are they God's servant and they will stand or fall before Him?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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I'd like to buy a vowel. The letter 'U' please.

 

[john832]

It was a SIGN between the Jews and God that they would know it was Him who made them Holy. Where does the Bible ever say that it was a sign between God and the gentiles?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

You have chosen to remove yourself from the seed of Abraham?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So, those Laws that you claim only apply to Israel don't apply to Gentiles? Well that leaves the Gentiles out of the New Covenant...

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

But the Gentiles are no longer wild olives, they are grafted into the tame olive tree...

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Hmmm, the Gentiles are grafted into Israel.

Same thing that happened in type to ancient Israel. If a Gentile wanted to become an Israelite, the condition was that he had to serve God and God only. It was a type of the fulfillment today.

 

[SarahM777]

hmmm sorry the bible say Jesus was resurrected on the sabbath a day starts in the evening and not midnight
Matthew 28

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.



Note a day starts at the sunset thus it was on the end of the sabbath , sabbath had not finish and the firstday was approaching which was at the sunset (began to dawn towards the first day )

UMMM Sorry go back and try that again. Part of the problem with Old English. Only the KJV and Geneva Bible say it that way all the rest say after the Sabbath. Second of all if it was still the Sabbath they could not have brought the spices because that would be WORK.

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems the meaning of the word, holy, is being blown all out of proportion. Holy means separate, peculiar, distinct and more. It is not a word that is privvy to religion though it has become such. Anyone who beiieves Yahweh is already holy by definition. This theme arises with this meaning throughout the writings.

 

[SarahM777]

hmmm sorry the bible say Jesus was resurrected on the sabbath a day starts in the evening and not midnight
Matthew 28

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.



Note a day starts at the sunset thus it was on the end of the sabbath , sabbath had not finish and the firstday was approaching which was at the sunset (began to dawn towards the first day )

UMMM you also have a conundrum. The Sabbath CAN NOT end in the morning,the Sabbath ends in the EVENING The Bible plainly says they came in the morning which means if it was the Sabbath,it was in the MIDDLE of the Sabbath,and they were breaking the Sabbath by bringing spices to do WORK,yet Luke is very clear they OBSERVED the Sabbath according to their customs. And dawn in the Bible stills means dawn,morning not evening.