For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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Sorry I didn't realize you were talking to me, thanks for pointing this out.
Originally Posted by loveme1
"Salvation is undeserved by the creation, but the Creator is Good and merciful.
The way provided is by Hearing and Keeping the Messiah's Testimony, His words give eternal life."
Kerry: "So keeping His word will get you through, really, How can you. No man or women has been able to to thus far are you a prodigy?
Hamster: "Why do you think God would command you to keep his commandment, if it couldn't be done? If you love me keep my commandments!"
My understanding to what loveme1 and Kerry were talking about, was the words that give eternal life. The law don't give eternal life that came by Christ. But under the law they were to keep the commandments of God too. I am not a sabbath keeper, I don't mix the old law with the new, but I do use all scriptures for my learning
The way provided is by Hearing and Keeping the Messiah's Testimony, His words give eternal life."
Kerry: "So keeping His word will get you through, really, How can you. No man or women has been able to to thus far are you a prodigy?
Hamster: "Why do you think God would command you to keep his commandment, if it couldn't be done? If you love me keep my commandments!"
My understanding to what loveme1 and Kerry were talking about, was the words that give eternal life. The law don't give eternal life that came by Christ. But under the law they were to keep the commandments of God too. I am not a sabbath keeper, I don't mix the old law with the new, but I do use all scriptures for my learning
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
do you see that?" For this " love you will not do such and such
Why would anyone have to teach what everyone knows?
Everyone knew the commandments of Yahweh. Yeshua, Jesus, made passing references to them that all should obey them. I suppose it has to do with the fact that the commandments are already written. Which of them could possibly be omitted from the behavior of any decent person, let along those who claim to possess knowledge by the Holy Spirit? What you say about just bgeing in one epistle has nothing to do with the teaching (torah) of God. I have more than explained this many times over. If you really do not know all of this, it is not because I have hidden iit, and certainly the Word does not hide it.
As for being engraved on stone, the commandments are engraved on the flesh tablets of the hearts rendering all who believe access to obey the commandments because it is their new nature.............this includes gentiles.
Everyone knew the commandments of Yahweh. Yeshua, Jesus, made passing references to them that all should obey them. I suppose it has to do with the fact that the commandments are already written. Which of them could possibly be omitted from the behavior of any decent person, let along those who claim to possess knowledge by the Holy Spirit? What you say about just bgeing in one epistle has nothing to do with the teaching (torah) of God. I have more than explained this many times over. If you really do not know all of this, it is not because I have hidden iit, and certainly the Word does not hide it.
As for being engraved on stone, the commandments are engraved on the flesh tablets of the hearts rendering all who believe access to obey the commandments because it is their new nature.............this includes gentiles.
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A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
Yet this line of dialogue is steering off topic of the thread, so if US Federal laws interest you further I'd suggest starting your own thread on the matter.
If you require any further of my assistance to conduct more research for you I will be glad to assess a fee for my time in the amount of three loaves of bread.
Yet this line of dialogue is steering off topic of the thread, so if US Federal laws interest you further I'd suggest starting your own thread on the matter.
If you require any further of my assistance to conduct more research for you I will be glad to assess a fee for my time in the amount of three loaves of bread.
LOL i just knew to myself that some of you will and most definitely read this out of context as you just did i just knew it, your problem is you need to read the bible with a clear mind, i highlighted the important part of what the scripture is actually talking about but you completely bypassed it because you saw something you are familiar with and completely did not understand what the scripture was talking about, if you notice what this is talking about guess i will have to explain it to you, this is talking about love, BECAUSE YOU LOVE ANOTHER, you will not do such and such, but if you keep reading the bible on one mindset you will never get what it is saying
Yes God does write His laws on our hearts,but again THE APOSTLES NEVER mentioned it to the Gentile Churches in their writings. The Gentiles were never given the law. They never had the SABBATH teachings so why did the Apostles leave out teaching on the Sabbath to the Gentile churches? The apostles write on EVERY OTHER COMMANDMENT including Jesus commandments to the Gentile churches but not ONCE on the Sabbath other then to not let others judge one about Sabbath days? It's just not there and you can't find where they ever did write to the gentile churches about it.
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
And what city was this in?
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
A Gentile city and these were Gentiles.
Another example...
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Another Gentile city.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Now I know you would like to this to say that on the first day of the week they went down to the river adn spoke to the women there, but it just doesn't.
Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
Act 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Here is a Gentile convert baptized by Paul's speaking on the Sabbath.
How about Thessalonica?
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Act 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
Interesting thing here, the Gentiles believed from Paul's reasoning with them on the Sabbath. Guess who didn't believe...
Act 17:5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
So, another case of Gentiles being converted by speaking and teaching on the Sabbath.
Now, let me ask two questions.
1) Where did you get this information...
"The Gentiles were never given the law. They never had the SABBATH teachings so why did the Apostles leave out teaching on the Sabbath to the Gentile churches?"
2) Can you show me where they actually kept the first day of the week?
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
And what city was this in?
Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
A Gentile city and these were Gentiles.
Another example...
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Another Gentile city.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
Now I know you would like to this to say that on the first day of the week they went down to the river adn spoke to the women there, but it just doesn't.
Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
Act 16:15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
Here is a Gentile convert baptized by Paul's speaking on the Sabbath.
How about Thessalonica?
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Act 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
Interesting thing here, the Gentiles believed from Paul's reasoning with them on the Sabbath. Guess who didn't believe...
Act 17:5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
So, another case of Gentiles being converted by speaking and teaching on the Sabbath.
Now, let me ask two questions.
1) Where did you get this information...
"The Gentiles were never given the law. They never had the SABBATH teachings so why did the Apostles leave out teaching on the Sabbath to the Gentile churches?"
2) Can you show me where they actually kept the first day of the week?
You do not pay attention to what is answered directly to you. Your replies are much based on your personal belief.
If you do not believe when the Holy Spirit enters into a person the commandments, the laws, are inscribed on their hearts, then of course you cannot believe unless you see it in print. That is a very sad condition for any who believe God.
When the truth, the law is written on our hearts, we listen to our hearts. In so doing, I have always been led to read all of the Word because Jesus is the Word. To not read it and believe is to not respect the Savior.
Any child knows to obey his father, but intellectuls are above observing what He has inscribed on our hearts. I know if you have it inscribed on your heart, you cannot deny the will of the Father.
Be content that you believe you are saved, then be content that others know God as He has shown Himself. If your doctrine is anti-commandments, that is your doctrine, but love says otherwise to me, from the written Word, and from the truth on my heart..........
If you do not believe when the Holy Spirit enters into a person the commandments, the laws, are inscribed on their hearts, then of course you cannot believe unless you see it in print. That is a very sad condition for any who believe God.
When the truth, the law is written on our hearts, we listen to our hearts. In so doing, I have always been led to read all of the Word because Jesus is the Word. To not read it and believe is to not respect the Savior.
Any child knows to obey his father, but intellectuls are above observing what He has inscribed on our hearts. I know if you have it inscribed on your heart, you cannot deny the will of the Father.
Be content that you believe you are saved, then be content that others know God as He has shown Himself. If your doctrine is anti-commandments, that is your doctrine, but love says otherwise to me, from the written Word, and from the truth on my heart..........