For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Praus]

It's not for me to say a Christian should this or that but for myself I rest, study the bible, chat with fellow Christians and do good if circumstance arises.

Excellent because the Bible is what we're discussing.

Does Luke 9:23 has anything to do with working on Sabbath?

Jesus wasn't resting when He was carrying His cross.

Maybe you forgot but you've already decided that Jesus Christ is wrong and you are right.

I don't think it's biblical to bless those who don't honor the sabbath.

Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


It make no sense that someone with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit would aver that "it's not for me to say".

 

[alexis]

Keeping Sabbath does not necessarily mean going to the church. Sometimes it's better being alone so His voice could be heard.
Our faith could make us enemies to our families, friends and even religious people but as long as we have Him our friend that's alright - Our Father always provides a way out.
Hey Moses and Paul were not eloquent either but they didn't do that bad, did they? Working on Sabbath does not necessarily mean breaking it if it's to serve and to protect in His way. There are many examples in the Bible but I guess you know.
I've got a lot to learn from you kiddo.

I like this about observing the Sabbath!
Of course the encouragement is helpful...

I think we learn from each other in our love and fellowship!
you are a blessing to me

 

[Chainhand]

Well miss Alexis your testimony made me tear up sister

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

Hugs~~

 

[morninglory]

gathering together on the first day of the week is worshipping the beast?
you better read your bible.
and early church history.

your message of sabbath-keeping is not the Gospel of Christ.

Not to step on any toes, but Jesus kept the seventh day Sabbath, he didn't keep it the way the pios Priests thought he should, but if you believe he didn't, I will be happy to show the scriptures that show he did. Now I am not speaking against worshipig on the first day of the week, if that is what a person feels called to do, then it is between them and God. I know, no one should keep either day because another human says they should.

peace

 

[morninglory]

Oh? Never heard of Ellen G. White? Is that like you pretrending just a few days ago that it just suddenly dawned on you that you should keep the sabbath? Yet not many posts later you demonstrated that you are very practiced in discussions advocating keeping of the sabbath.

Rep Power, There is a lot that you do not learn in would history, there is a lot that is deliberately not taught in Christian colleges, but the seventh day Sabbath was kept by ALL believers, Jew and Gentile until the Apostles were all dead. That information is more than likely only found in Encyclopedias in the reference section of librarys, because I have tride to nail it down on the net, and noooooobody knows when the Roman calendar was mingiled with the Hebrew calendar and those changes were made. I will be happy to give you the scriptures that show the Sabbath as well as the Hebrew holy days were kept by all early Christians, if you let me know you are interested. For yourself, it is between you and the Lord what day you set aside for him, he looks on the heart, but we are not to judge one another in that.

God bless

 

[Isdaniel]

Rep Power, There is a lot that you do not learn in would history, there is a lot that is deliberately not taught in Christian colleges, but the seventh day Sabbath was kept by ALL believers, Jew and Gentile until the Apostles were all dead. That information is more than likely only found in Encyclopedias in the reference section of librarys, because I have tride to nail it down on the net, and noooooobody knows when the Roman calendar was mingiled with the Hebrew calendar and those changes were made. I will be happy to give you the scriptures that show the Sabbath as well as the Hebrew holy days were kept by all early Christians, if you let me know you are interested. For yourself, it is between you and the Lord what day you set aside for him, he looks on the heart, but we are not to judge one another in that.

God bless

nope dont waste your time with the the really has to raised from the dead


They dont even want to believe that God calender and God law was tampered with

[h=3]Daniel 7:25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out thesaints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

 

[Isdaniel]

Not to step on any toes, but Jesus kept the seventh day Sabbath, he didn't keep it the way the pios Priests thought he should, but if you believe he didn't, I will be happy to show the scriptures that show he did. Now I am not speaking against worshipig on the first day of the week, if that is what a person feels called to do, then it is between them and God. I know, no one should keep either day because another human says they should.

peace

i think Zone is a n alien seriously she is just out of this Zone hmmm she does not belive in a literal future 1000 yrs

 

[Isdaniel]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's TenCommandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ten Commandments[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "Law contained in ordinances"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Called "the Royal law"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by Moses in a book[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]2 CHRON. 35:12 And they removed the burnt offerings, that they might give according to the divisions of the families of the people, to offer unto the LORD, as it is written in the book of Moses. And so did they with the oxen. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Written by God on stone[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone,written with the finger of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the table[/FONT]​

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[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed in the side of the ark[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the arkof the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Placed inside the ark[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EXO. 40:20 And he took andput the testimony into the ark, and set the staves on the ark, and put the mercy seat above upon the ark: [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Ended at the cross[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Will stand forever[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Added because of sin[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Points out sin[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:7 What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]​

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[Isdaniel]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Contrary to us, against us​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Not grievous[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and hiscommandments are not grievous.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges no man[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Judges all men[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Carnal[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Spiritual[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Made nothing perfect[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]Perfect[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.[/FONT]
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[Isdaniel]

I like this about observing the Sabbath!
Of course the encouragement is helpful...

I think we learn from each other in our love and fellowship!
you are a blessing to me

i hope you grow in lve but always rember that a to=ime for love and hate

dont let your love make peoplre walk over you all in the name for love

 

[chubbena]

Excellent because the Bible is what we're discussing.


Jesus wasn't resting when He was carrying His cross.

Maybe you forgot but you've already decided that Jesus Christ is wrong and you are right.



Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


It make no sense that someone with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit would aver that "it's not for me to say".

Are you saying
a. carrying the cross in the context of Luke 9:23 is a physical one?
b. carrying the cross is work?
Matt 5:44 bless them that curse YOU, do good to them that hate YOU, and pray for them which depitefully use YOU, and persecute YOU.
It's not for me to say. I leave it to the JUDGE.
It does not have to make sense for you.

 

[Praus]

Are you saying
a. carrying the cross in the context of Luke 9:23 is a physical one?
b. carrying the cross is work?

That's part of His suffering, yes, that's why it's in the New Testament.

Matt 5:44 bless them that curse YOU, do good to them that hate YOU, and pray for them which depitefully use YOU, and persecute YOU.
It's not for me to say.

2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I leave it to the JUDGE.

1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

It does not have to make sense for you.

James 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ is perfect.

We are all members of His Body.

When the Father sees us, He sees His Son.

His Son is perfect.

Is this understandable?

When I say “You’re fabricating an image in God’s mind about you” because you say that He “sees me as perfect”… this is not a hellfire accusation. There is no other way for me to truthfully express that error in a more gentle fashion. I could have said, “You’re wrong… God does not see you as being perfect” … but that would have sounded like I was accusing you of doing wrong.

However, I will take your words to heart and do my very best short of covering up truth… not to offend you.

Agreed

Agreed

Agreed


Disagree.. You’ve just made a contradiction (and don’t take it as a hellfire accusation).

If you are “being perfected” then you are not perfect. If God regarded you as perfect than you are not being perfected. God doesn’t regard something as being something that it is not. He doesn’t look at something that is being perfected as perfect in the same way we do not look at a project in progress and being completed..



Agreed.. exactly what I mentioned above… God sees it the same way you see it… you will be perfected when He has finished with you but like you, He doesn’t see you as perfect.

Because of this false teaching people unwittingly apply bizarre characteristics upon God… that He sees things that are black as being white, dirty as being clean, evil as being good… these characteristics we don’t even apply to our least of acquaintances and yet they get applied to God

When an unfinished work comes before God thinking that God sees him as being perfect then he will be placing a barrier between himself and God.

Now what I’m saying may not come across to you as the “Word and Love of Yeshua” but there is no other way for me to explain why this teaching is no good and what the consequences are resulting from the belief of this popular Christian doctrine.

 

[Hizikyah]

The 7th day Sabbath is a way to show the Creator that I love Him and a spiritual and physical training tool to show me how I should behave every day of the week.

 

[Rockbysea]

Jesus Christ is perfect.

We are all members of His Body.

When the Father sees us, He sees His Son.

His Son is perfect.

Is this understandable?

Yes…. I believe most Christians…tens of millions believe that… You’re certainly not alone. It’s a very dominant Christian belief. When God sees Christians He sees His perfect Son therefore He sees millions of them as being perfect. Even though when His first-born Son walked the earth He said, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’"

I wonder at what point of dilapidation within that perfect veneer of Christ will God start to see the Christian as a little imperfect.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are very clever with words. My understanding, and the understanding of many others holds up quite well in the face of your words. Many people believe many things. This point is not going to effect anyone's salvation unless some want it to. I understand that you are one of the few who understand what others do not, and this is your choice.

Yes…. I believe most Christians…tens of millions believe that… You’re certainly not alone. It’s a very dominant Christian belief. When God sees Christians He sees His perfect Son therefore He sees millions of them as being perfect. Even though when His first-born Son walked the earth He said, “Go, tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.’"

I wonder at what point of dilapidation within that perfect veneer of Christ will God start to see the Christian as a little imperfect.

 

[Rockbysea]

I understand that you are one of the few who understand what others do not, and this is your choice.

Thank God for choice.

 

[zone]

nope dont waste your time with the the really has to raised from the dead


They dont even want to believe that God calender and God law was tampered with

[h=3]Daniel 7:25[/h]King James Version (KJV)

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out thesaints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

the pope is stuck in the middle of of the book of Daniel?
the mystery pope gap theory.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus, Yeshua, walked the earth a perfect man. He was in the flesh, a man, but He walked in the state of perfection.

In some versions of the Word reference is made to His being perfected. This is in reference to His Body being glorified.

When He was here He obeyed the commandments, even observing the Sabbath of the Lord.

In obedience He was baptized by John in order to fulfill all righteousness, when a voice was heard from Heaven saying that He was the Beloved Son in Whom the Father was well pleased.

He was born perfect, He lived perfect (otherwise no one would be saved), and He was resurrected perfect.

As for the glorification of His Body, this too will pass for all who join Him in His Kingdom.