For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Hizikyah

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Did God say a Sunday was a holy day to Him? Let's see

Leviticus 23
The Festival of Weeks

15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.17 From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the Lord.18 Present with this bread seven male lambs, each a year old and without defect, one young bull and two rams. They will be a burnt offering to the Lord, together with their grain offerings and drink offerings—a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 19 Then sacrifice one male goat for a sin offering[c]and two lambs, each a year old, for a fellowship offering. 20 The priest is to wave the two lambs before the Lord as a wave offering, together with the bread of the firstfruits. They are a sacred offering to the Lord for the priest.21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.

The first day after seven Sabbaths is a SUNDAY. Pentecost ALWAYS falls on a Sunday and God said they are to proclaim a SACRED ASSEMBLY on a SUNDAY.
you greatly misuse the Scriptures, that is a moadim, that is one day a year, a Feast Day, not a weekly thing.
 

Hizikyah

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But then why did you equate worship on Sunday with worship of the SUN? You did say the BEAST CHANGED THE DAY of worship,which again the Sabbath was not set as a specific day of WORSHIP but of rest. It's the wrong premise of the Sabbath day to begin with.
We already talked about this, the Sabbath is for Yahweh and not anything of your own. If it simply a day of rest than I may watch football or do whatever I choose on Sabbath. This is not what the Sabbath is for:

Isayyah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of Yahweh honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father- -for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it."
 
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We already talked about this, the Sabbath is for Yahweh and not anything of your own. If it simply a day of rest than I may watch football or do whatever I choose on Sabbath. This is not what the Sabbath is for:

Isayyah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of Yahweh honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father- -for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it."
Then why are you on the internet causing OTHERS to have to work so you can internet service? Aren't causing someone else to sin which is just as wrong as if you yourself did it?
 

Hizikyah

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And if Sunday is the mark of the beast then HOW CAN YOU OBEY the command to observe Pentecost? You have a conundrum that you CAN NOT escape. By your owns words you CAN NOT observe Pentecost because then you have taken the mark of the beast,but yet at the same time because you can not so without taking the mark of the beast you are under condemnation for not observing Pentecost.
Are you serious? I honor Yahweh's authority and somehow you say this is honoring what the beast has ordained.... really
 

Hizikyah

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Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Deut 12 "You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way"
 
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you greatly misuse the Scriptures, that is a moadim, that is one day a year, a Feast Day, not a weekly thing.
IT IS STILL ON SUNDAY and it is a day of worship,if Sunday worship IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST then how can you get around that you ARE NOT worshipping on a Sunday?
 

Hizikyah

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Then why are you on the internet causing OTHERS to have to work so you can internet service? Aren't causing someone else to sin which is just as wrong as if you yourself did it?
what?

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Im here trying to pull people out of the pit Babylon, Constantine, and satan have laid for the world.

Seriously, I know I get froggy, but will you do one thing? Please, study the history of christmas.
 

Hizikyah

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IT IS STILL ON SUNDAY and it is a day of worship,if Sunday worship IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST then how can you get around that you ARE NOT worshipping on a Sunday?
authority, I honor Yahweh's day on the day He says. PERIOD

do you even think your debate is valid on this particular post? really?
 

Hizikyah

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Did you not equate Sunday worship as the mark of the beast?
the mark of the beast is accepting the authority of the beast, if anyone acceptes that authority yes they have recieved the mark of the beast, is everyone that worships on sunday have the mark of the beast, probably not, but those who know the Sabbath is not changed and still follow along probably do have it.

lets honestly try to find some truth here, if you disagree please give me you take on these verses, please dont just ignore this, im open to hear your view, please. (i am logging off but will be on later to reply Yahweh willing)


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

what do you think was changed?

J walking? digital clocks?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
 
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authority, I honor Yahweh's day on the day He says. PERIOD

do you even think your debate is valid on this particular post? really?
Yes it very valid,but I think it may be futile because you are blind to what you have set up. YOU CAN NOT have Sunday being the mark of the beast and yet still worship on any SUNDAY EVER. Remember the Bible clearly says that if you BREAK THE LAW IN ONE POINT you are guilty of breaking the whole low. If the mark of the beast is Sunday worship and you have worshipped even one time you HAVE ACCEPTED the mark of the beast. You can't it BOTH ways. You can't have it that it's the mark of the beast and YET STILL DO the that very thing.
 

Hizikyah

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Yes it very valid,but I think it may be futile because you are blind to what you have set up. YOU CAN NOT have Sunday being the mark of the beast and yet still worship on any SUNDAY EVER. Remember the Bible clearly says that if you BREAK THE LAW IN ONE POINT you are guilty of breaking the whole low. If the mark of the beast is Sunday worship and you have worshipped even one time you HAVE ACCEPTED the mark of the beast. You can't it BOTH ways. You can't have it that it's the mark of the beast and YET STILL DO the that very thing.
who authority do you follow?
 

Hizikyah

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who authority do you follow?
his is a very important topic, as if one recieves the mark of the beast they will not enter the kingdom of Yahweh. What better resource to tell us what the mark is than the Scriptures.

The RFID chip is not the actual mark of the beast it is the way of enforcement however. The mark of the beast is the oppisite of the mark of YAHWEH. The mark of Yahweh can be found in Scripture: (On a topic this important please take the time to read this, it may be different than what you have heard however it is pure Scripture, if any wish to rufute this please use Scripture and remember this Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world.")

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no Sabbath night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.

If you think the Sabbath is only for the Hebrew people and/or gentiles were grafted in during the NT you are Scriptually wrong:

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Exodus 12:48-49, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."

Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."

Yahweh told us evil powers would change the Sabbath and Laws through the mouth of the prophet Daniyl:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law..." AMP

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so
with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

The Sabbath change had nothig to do with the Messiah, it came from Constantine at the council of Nicea 321ad and it is based upon SUN god worship (Sol Invictus Mithra), look up Cardinal James Gibbons quotes on the change of the Sabbath. It is the beast that changed it in the minds of the people; Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." Watch this video to see the Scriptual evidence of who the 1st beast is

And upon her head a name was written - YouTube

To enforce this mark of the beast It's not about worshipping on SUNday, it's about NOT WORSHIPPING ON YAHWEH"S SABBATH.They could make the 7th day the only day you can buy or sell, the world will be in a state of chaos at this time anyway so it may be "organic" for what is happening. Not to mention a crakdown on religious people.

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily (sacrifice is an added word we could just as well add the daily worship) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

Also Yahshua did not rise on SUNday, watch this video please, if you desire truth. 3 days and 3 nights, and this is Yahweh's calendar and not the Bablonian/Julian calendar. If you truly understand the calendar of the Creator of all that is and you put all the Scriptures togather you will see it is impossible to have a SUNday resurrection.

Resurrection - YouTube
 
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To enforce this mark of the beast It's not about worshipping on SUNday, it's about NOT WORSHIPPING ON YAHWEH"S SABBATH.They could make the 7th day the only day you can buy or sell, the world will be in a state of chaos at this time anyway so it may be "organic" for what is happening. Not to mention a crakdown on religious people.

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily (sacrifice is an added word we could just as well add the daily worship) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

Also Yahshua did not rise on SUNday, watch this video please, if you desire truth. 3 days and 3 nights, and this is Yahweh's calendar and not the Bablonian/Julian calendar. If you truly understand the calendar of the Creator of all that is and you put all the Scriptures togather you will see it is impossible to have a SUNday resurrection.

Resurrection - YouTube
Again you start off with the WRONG premise,the Sabbath was not set as the SPECIFIC DAY OF WORSHIP in a week. It was set as a day of REST.
 
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chubbena

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When were the spices bought? Mark says, when the Sabbath was past(Chapter 16:1). Luke says before theSabbath commenced(Chapter 23:56).Was this the weekly sabbath ?
Good one. I have never considered Mark 16:1. Thanks
 
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chubbena

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Why do you twist somebody's words. Nothing was said about Not worshipping in public on Sunday. Where did you suck that from. This is a forum to discuss the Word of God and not to see hidden meanings of things not being said and then to make an issue of it. Please comment as an adult on a specific subject and if you cannot do it properly, please refrain from it.
True. True worship is to offer oneself as living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, not going anywhere on any day of the week.
 
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chubbena

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Then why are you on the internet causing OTHERS to have to work so you can internet service? Aren't causing someone else to sin which is just as wrong as if you yourself did it?
That's the problem with those who don't accept the law but use the letter of the law to accuse. In the OT the Israelites were under the protection of gatekeepers and enjoyed the celebrations at the temple but they were not accused of causing someone else to work or sin.
 
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That's the problem with those who don't accept the law but use the letter of the law to accuse. In the OT the Israelites were under the protection of gatekeepers and enjoyed the celebrations at the temple but they were not accused of causing someone else to work or sin.

What does that have to do with being on the internet on the Sabbath? So are you saying it's OK for you to do whatever on the Sabbath and yet somehow you are still obeying the Sabbath?
 
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chubbena

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What does that have to do with being on the internet on the Sabbath? So are you saying it's OK for you to do whatever on the Sabbath and yet somehow you are still obeying the Sabbath?
Exactly.
Then why are you on the internet causing OTHERS to have to work so you can internet service? Aren't causing someone else to sin which is just as wrong as if you yourself did it?
It's you who said using internet would cause someone else to sin.
So are you for the law?
If you are for the law but you are not able to follow completely then why pointing fingers?
If you are for the law, know one cannot be perfect and need the savior then why would you accuse anyone who couldn't follow the law completely? Isn't you the same?
If you are not for the law then why are you questioning those who are for the law?
Why don't you let them deal with the law giver directly?