For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Hizikyah

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You’re dishonest unrelated “celebrating Christmas” straw man tactic is further evidence that your arguments are all staged because all you have is the regurgitation of copy and plastered scripture and dishonest tactics.

The Sabbath was given to the children of Israel after the Lord took them out of bondage… The Sabbath is not meant to be observed by gentiles or Israelites living under foreign government authority. All your rabid scripture regurgitations were for a people living under a Levitical priesthood within a sovereign national jurisdiction on this earth under God.

This is one of the no-brainer reasons, a reasoning that does not require the aid of the Holy Spirit, beside the fact of the New Covenant, why Paul didn’t take the Law of Moses with its Sabbaths to the gentiles living under roman authority because the Lord also didn’t take the Law of Moses to the children of Israel while they were living under Egyptian authority.

Non-Jewish 7th Day Sabbath keeping under modern Babylonian jurisdiction does not serve man but it further enslaves him to that which Christ has set him free. And it also does nothing to give one a Christ-like nature evidenced by your dishonest straw man tactics deployed by those with a hidden agenda.
it sounds to me like Christ set you free from Yahweh.

also that you dont care much about Scripture, because you held the view of "The Sabbath was given to the children of Israel after the Lord took them out of bondage… The Sabbath is not meant to be observed by gentiles"

when the verse I just posted proves you are speaking falsely: "Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
 
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it sounds to me like Christ set you free from Yahweh.

also that you dont care much about Scripture, because you held the view of "The Sabbath was given to the children of Israel after the Lord took them out of bondage… The Sabbath is not meant to be observed by gentiles"

when the verse I just posted proves you are speaking falsely:
Well seems you’re the one further proving that you are dishonest because you deliberately left out the rest of my quote in order to make it look like I said something I did not.

The rest of my comment that you purposely left out said the Sabbath was not meant to be observed by “…gentiles or Israelites living under foreign government authority.”

You left that out so you could plaster your scriptures that were talking about gentiles under the “Levitical priesthood within a sovereign national jurisdiction on this earth under God.”

You are doing the same as the Pharisee sects that infiltrated the churches in Asia that I believe were there to destroy not to build just like the modern Sabbath cult Pharisee is here to destroy through spiritual terrorism
 

Hizikyah

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Well seems you’re the one further proving that you are dishonest because you deliberately left out the rest of my quote in order to make it look like I said something I did not.

The rest of my comment that you purposely left out said the Sabbath was not meant to be observed by “…gentiles or Israelites living under foreign government authority.”

You left that out so you could plaster your scriptures that were talking about gentiles under the “Levitical priesthood within a sovereign national jurisdiction on this earth under God.”

You are doing the same as the Pharisee sects that infiltrated the churches in Asia that I believe were there to destroy not to build just like the modern Sabbath cult Pharisee is here to destroy through spiritual terrorism
my point stands, you say "gentiles or Israelites living under foreign government authority.”

Scriptures odes not say this, it is a false doctrine, all followers of Yahweh are supposed to keep the 4th Commandment, you hate for Yahweh and His 4th Commandment calling the promotion of it "spiritual terrorism".

You

are

insane.

1 Corinthians 5:8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

1858. heortazo
heortazo: I keep a feast​
Original Word: ἑορτάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: heortazo
Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo)
Short Definition: I keep a feast
Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast

The Sabbath Was Changed to Sunday!
But by who?

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

Exodus 31:13, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh
Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy."

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons
 

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Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

“I am going to propose a very plain and serious question to those who follow ‘the Bible and the Bible only’ to give their most earnest attention. It is this: Why don’t you keep holy the Sabbath day?... “The command of the Almighty God stands clearly written in the Bible in these words: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; in it thou shalt not do any work.’ Exodus 20:8-10...
“You will answer me, perhaps, that you do keep the Sabbath; for that you abstain from all worldly business and diligently go to church, and say your prayers, and read your Bible at home every Sunday of your lives...
“But Sunday is not the Sabbath day. Sunday is the first day of the week: the Sabbath day is the seventh day of the week. Almighty God did not give a commandment that men should keep holy one day in seven; but He named His own day, and said distinctly: ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’; and He assigned a reason for choosing this day rather than any other - a reason which belongs only to the seventh day of the week, and cannot be applied to the rest. He says, ‘For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it’, Exodus 20:11, Genesis 2:1-3. Almighty God ordered that all men should rest from their labor on the seventh day, because He too had rested on that day: He did not rest on Sunday, but on Saturday. On Sunday, which is the first day of the week, He began the work of creation; He did not finish it. It was on Saturday that He ‘ended His work which he had made: and God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.’ Genesis 2:2-3...
“Nothing can be more plain and easy to understand than all this; there is nobody who attempts to deny it. It is acknowledged by everybody that the day which Almighty God appointed to be kept holy was Saturday, not Sunday. Why do you then keep holy the Sunday and not Saturday?
“You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! But by whom? Who has the authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, ‘Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day’, who shall dare to say, ‘Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the seventh day: but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?’ This is a most important question, which I know not how you answer...
“You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet, in so important a manner as the observance of one day in seven as the holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded. The command to keep holy the seventh day is one of the Ten Commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding. Who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible, and the Bible only you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered.” Excerpts from “Why Don’t You Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?”, pages 3-15 in The Clifton Tract, vol. 4, published by the Roman Catholic Church 1869.

“Written by the finger of God on two tables of stone, this Divine code (ten commandments) was received from the Almighty by Moses amid the thunders of Mount Sinai...Christ resumed these Commandments in the double precept of charity--love of God and of the neighbour; He proclaimed them as binding under the New Law in Matthew 19 and in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5)...The (Catholic) Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s Day...He (God) claims one day out of the seven as a memorial to Himself, and this must be kept holy...”The Catholic Encyclopaedia, vol. 4, “The Ten Commandments”, 1908 edition by Robert Appleton Company; and 1999 Online edition by Kevin Knight, Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.
“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!”
“Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

Daniel 7:25 Amplified Bible (AMP)
25 And he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law; and the saints shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time [three and one-half years].
“Question. - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?“Answer. - By the very act of changing Sabbath into Sunday which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
“Question. - How prove you that?
“Answer. - Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.” An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, composed by Henry Tuberville, p. 58.

“Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The (Roman Catholic) Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.” John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, 1936 edition, vol. 1, p. 51.

“Question. What warrant have you for keeping Sunday preferably to the ancient sabbath which was Saturday?
“Answer. We have for it the authority of the Catholic church and apostolic tradition.
“Question. Does the Scripture anywhere command the Sunday to be kept for the Sabbath?
“Answer. The Scripture commands us to hear the church (St.Matt.18:17; St. Luke 10:16), and to hold fast the traditions of the apostles. 2 Thess 2:15. But the Scripture does not in particular mention this change of the Sabbath. (Yes it actually does, Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words
against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws.")

“Protestantism, in discarding the authority of the (Roman Catholic) Church, has no good reasons for its Sunday theory, and ought logically to keep Saturday as the Sabbath.” John Gilmary Shea, American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

“From this we may understand how great is the authority of the church in interpreting or explaining to us the commandments of God - an authority which is acknowledged by the universal practice of the whole Christian world, even of those sects which profess to take the holy Scriptures as their sole rule of faith, since they observe as the day of rest not the seventh day of the week demanded by the Bible, but the first day. Which we know is to be kept holy, only from the tradition and teaching of the Catholic church.” Henry Gibson, Catechism Made Easy, #2, 9th edition, vol. 1, p. 341-342.

“.’ AnI have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says: ‘No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week and lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church.” father T. Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, in a lecture at Hartford,

“The (Roman Catholic) Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.” The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

“Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
“1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
“2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws...

“The arguments...are firmly grounded on the word of God, and having been closely studied with the Bible in hand, leave no escape for the conscientious Protestant except the abandonment of Sunday worship and the return to Saturday, commanded by their teacher, the Bible, or, unwilling to abandon the tradition of the Catholic Church, which enjoins the keeping of Sunday, and which they have accepted in direct opposition to their teacher, the Bible, consistently accept her (the Catholic Church) in all her teachings. Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicism and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.” James Cardinal Gibbons, in Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

And if you don't believe the Catholic Churchis is the beast spoken of in Daniyl and Revelation:

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."

Clearly changed the Sabbath and more

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."

Daniyl 7:19-21, "Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his claws of bronze; which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were on his
head, and of the other horn which came up, before gwhom three fell--the horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout; more mighty and imposing, than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them."

Foxe's Book of Martyrs historically records the Romans killing 11 of the 12 apostles, including Kepha (Peter), and beheading Shaul (Paul). It is estimated to have killed 50million to 1 billion all together, now you know where they got all those skulls for the catacombs.

Revelation 13:5-6, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things, and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to make war for forty-two moons; months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven."
 

JaumeJ

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For anyone who accepts the sacrifice of Jesus, Yeshua, for his sins, it is only a result of repenting of sin.

Now to know oneself as a sinner, he must first be aware of what sin is. Sin is breaking the laws of God.

Most people who claim to be saved have no idea of what the laws are, and I refer to all of them. If they knew the laws they would know they are wise. If they knew the Old Testament, they would also know God gave the Children of Israel some laws that were bad.

It is only by knowing the One they claim they believe that one has obtained grace, or freedom from the curse of the law.

It seems very few people have learned the Word as did the first converts to the faith of Abraham, that is from what has been dubbed the Old Testament. I have never been able to reconcile this name because it conatains everything any convert who learns from it need know for salvation.

Most people believe the disire of Yahweh, God, is all of the laws. Some believe it is the Ten Commandments only, and, if the latter actually obey the Ten Commandmetnts, the laws that count are included, yes even those two great laws of Love. If we have no other gods before us, we have Yahweh before us, and this, when practiced in earnest would include all the laws that we should obey.

All men are sinners, all men fall short of the glory of Yahweh, yet, all who claim the Blood of the Lamb of Yahweh, are regarded as clean for they are under constant grace as long as they do not use grace as a license for sinning (breaking the law.)

Today there is a great movement of the warm and fuzzies, those folks who think the law was destroyed on the cross. How stupid they must think God is to suffer this teaching? If anyone believes Jesus, they will do as He did. He has demonstrated all.

There is no command from Yahweh, Yeshua, Jesus, Savior, God instructing anyone to change the order of the days of creation and rest. The Sabbath of the Lord of Yahweh of Yeshua of Jesus of our Savior is the Seventh Day. It is changed nowhere in the teaching of the Bible. Jesus did allow for man to work on the Sabbath on any good endeavor. This is not to say man is to simply indulge himelf, that is unless his true self-indulgence is the Lord.

There is the Old Testament ritiual, and there is the straight forward obedience of all that is good and moral behavior instructed us by God, Himself It would be wonderful if the members of the Body of Jesus Christ would get to know Him by truly knowing the Word from Genesis through Revelation incusive, for He is the Word. Stop acting as though you know Him if you have not learned this much. This does not in any manner discount those who believe and understand without the benefit of reading or being able to read, this is directed at those individuals who constantly put the Word on trial........sound familiar?
 
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Ezekiyl 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

“It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.” Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Magazine, USA (1975), Chicago, Illinois, “Under the blessing of the Pope Pius XI”

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."
"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season
Do you even know what the Sabbath was meant to be? It was not set up as a specific day of WORSHIP. It was a day of REST. You changed the law to make it say it was a day of WORSHIP. Show anywhere in the Bible that God said no one can worship on Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday or Friday and public worship is RESTRICTED TO SATURDAY. The Sabbath was NEVER ABOUT A SPECIFIC DAY OF WORSHIP but of REST.
 

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Do you even know what the Sabbath was meant to be? It was not set up as a specific day of WORSHIP. It was a day of REST. You changed the law to make it say it was a day of WORSHIP. Show anywhere in the Bible that God said no one can worship on Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday or Friday and public worship is RESTRICTED TO SATURDAY. The Sabbath was NEVER ABOUT A SPECIFIC DAY OF WORSHIP but of REST.
ONe can worship on anyday I agree however, the Sabbath is a "MOADIM" or in english an appointed meeting time with Yahweh.

moadim.

Isayyah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of Yahweh honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father- -for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it."

Yahshua also witnessed to the Spirit of the Law here:

Mattithyah 12:!2, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The Sabbath is for all things Yahweh and not for anything that is not of Yahweh.
 
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ONe can worship on anyday I agree however, the Sabbath is a "MOADIM" or in english an appointed meeting time with Yahweh.

moadim.

Isayyah 58:13-14, "If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of Yahweh honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in Yahweh; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father- -for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it."

Yahshua also witnessed to the Spirit of the Law here:

Mattithyah 12:!2, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The Sabbath is for all things Yahweh and not for anything that is not of Yahweh.
But in essence what you are doing by being AGAINST believers gathering together on Sunday is saying God is NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED IN PUBLIC on Sunday.
 

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But in essence what you are doing by being AGAINST believers gathering together on Sunday is saying God is NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED IN PUBLIC on Sunday.
gathering and worshipping on the 1st day is not a transgression, however thinking that the 1st day is the set apart day is Yahweh is error, the catholic church is the one who "made sunday holy" they call it their mark of authority.

to be specific Constantine forced the day of Sol Invictus Mithra (Sunday) to be honored on threat of death and killed millions of followrs of yahshua who would honor the holy day of Yahweh, which Constantine called "day of the jews" and said his religion would have noting to do the the rabble of the jews. now we fast foreward to today and people dont even know why this day was "transferred to sunday" they think its in Acts, but Acts is clear they kept Sabbath and broke bread every day.

do you believe the prophets of Yahweh?

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."


Daniyl 2-7 was written in aramaic, and the word "times" is the aramaic equivalent of moadim.

"Times" is word # 2166 - Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar - 1) a set time, time, season
 
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What you described is works of law, not the gospel of Christ.
I am on the second step already which means that I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour and my article was directed to those who have already become Christians and accepted Jesus Christ in their lives. Obviously the non-believer cannot just keep the Commandments and expect to be saved without also accepting Jesus Christ in your life. The Commandments of God has been written on my heart and it is not a burden to me to follow them. By obeying the Commandments willingly I also experience the love of God as He notices my obedience to Him. I trust this will clear the air.
 

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I am on the second step already which means that I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour and my article was directed to those who have already become Christians and accepted Jesus Christ in their lives. Obviously the non-believer cannot just keep the Commandments and expect to be saved without also accepting Jesus Christ in your life. The Commandments of God has been written on my heart and it is not a burden to me to follow them. By obeying the Commandments willingly I also experience the love of God as He notices my obedience to Him. I trust this will clear the air.
Yahchanan (John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you.
 
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Do you even know what the Sabbath was meant to be? It was not set up as a specific day of WORSHIP. It was a day of REST. You changed the law to make it say it was a day of WORSHIP. Show anywhere in the Bible that God said no one can worship on Sunday,Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday or Friday and public worship is RESTRICTED TO SATURDAY. The Sabbath was NEVER ABOUT A SPECIFIC DAY OF WORSHIP but of REST.
Did you notice that this particular reference was quoted from “Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.
The following reference was made from ----“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week, Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.
The Sabbath is a day of rest, and worshipping should be on all days of the week.
Hizikyah should be commended for the great piece of work. A lot of facts were presented and I also have additional facts from "The Catechism Simply Explained" by Canon Cafferata which clearly points to the Roman Catholic Church as the main culprit in the changing of God's Law. Guess who will be dealt with at the end of times?
 
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But in essence what you are doing by being AGAINST believers gathering together on Sunday is saying God is NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED IN PUBLIC on Sunday.
Why do you twist somebody's words. Nothing was said about Not worshipping in public on Sunday. Where did you suck that from. This is a forum to discuss the Word of God and not to see hidden meanings of things not being said and then to make an issue of it. Please comment as an adult on a specific subject and if you cannot do it properly, please refrain from it.
 
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Why do you twist somebody's words. Nothing was said about Not worshipping in public on Sunday. Where did you suck that from. This is a forum to discuss the Word of God and not to see hidden meanings of things not being said and then to make an issue of it. Please comment as an adult on a specific subject and if you cannot do it properly, please refrain from it.
Some have equated Sunday worship with worship of the sun. He is one of them that has done so. He equates Sunday worship worship with the beast system in his own words

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a sign (could easily be translated MARK) to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt.

*sign=Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary,Strong's Exhaustive Concordance,
meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Revelation 14:9-12, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh, which is poured out without dilution into the cup of His indignation. And he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy malakim, and in the presence of the Lamb; And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever. And they have no Sabbath night and day (because the beast changed the Sabbath), who worship the beast and his likeness, and whoever receives the mark of his name. In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah.

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes,
your actions are with your "hand" and your belief/faith is done with your "memorial between your eyes."
I think you all need to read and then look into this. Constantine minted the pagan SUN god (Sol Invictus Mithra) on his coins 30 years after "converting," the holy day of the SUN god was SUNday, who cahnged the Sabbath to SUNday? Constantine council of Nicea 321ad

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh
, and think to change times and Laws."

Mattithyah 15:8-9, "These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

1 Yahchanan 2:4-5, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him."

DO YOU KNOW YAHWEH? Your pastor tells you that you do, but do this Scriptures?
 

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Worshiping Yah on the 1st day is not wrong, I said this, BUT thinking that the 1st day is sanctified or holy or in place of Yahweh's Sabbath is wrong.
 

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Worship Heavenly Father in spirit and truth each and every day.

Serve Him by Keeping His Commandments.

Romans 6

15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
What doctrine was delivered to them, is it not the Testimony of the Messiah?

Of course it is :)


Matthew 28

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Does the Testimony of the Messiah Teach to keep even to the least of the Commandments?

Yes, it is does :

Matthew 5

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Is not the most important thing to Love?

Of course it is:

Matthew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Keeping the Sabbath day holy is part of loving Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

Keeping the day separate, remembering the Sabbath.

Being Faithful to our First love.

Peace and Blessings.
 
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Worshiping Yah on the 1st day is not wrong, I said this, BUT thinking that the 1st day is sanctified or holy or in place of Yahweh's Sabbath is wrong.
Did God say a Sunday was a holy day to Him? Let's see

Leviticus 23
The Festival of Weeks

15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.17 From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the Lord.18 Present with this bread seven male lambs, each a year old and without defect, one young bull and two rams. They will be a burnt offering to the Lord, together with their grain offerings and drink offerings—a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 19 Then sacrifice one male goat for a sin offering[c]and two lambs, each a year old, for a fellowship offering. 20 The priest is to wave the two lambs before the Lord as a wave offering, together with the bread of the firstfruits. They are a sacred offering to the Lord for the priest.21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.

The first day after seven Sabbaths is a SUNDAY. Pentecost ALWAYS falls on a Sunday and God said they are to proclaim a SACRED ASSEMBLY on a SUNDAY.
 
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Worshiping Yah on the 1st day is not wrong, I said this, BUT thinking that the 1st day is sanctified or holy or in place of Yahweh's Sabbath is wrong.
But then why did you equate worship on Sunday with worship of the SUN? You did say the BEAST CHANGED THE DAY of worship,which again the Sabbath was not set as a specific day of WORSHIP but of rest. It's the wrong premise of the Sabbath day to begin with.
 
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And if Sunday is the mark of the beast then HOW CAN YOU OBEY the command to observe Pentecost? You have a conundrum that you CAN NOT escape. By your owns words you CAN NOT observe Pentecost because then you have taken the mark of the beast,but yet at the same time because you can not so without taking the mark of the beast you are under condemnation for not observing Pentecost.
 

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2Pe 2:12
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;