For those of you keeping the Sabbath........

[Hizikyah]

A song for the sabbath day, PSALM:92

1-2, "It is a delight to give thanks to You, O Yahweh, and to sing praises to Your Name, O Most High! It is a delight to declare Your lovingkindness in the morning, and Your faithfulness every night;"

 

[TruthFromFrank]

So this begs the question, "Did God really rest on the Seventh Day"?

Blessings in Christ

Timber

God finished the creation of the world and mankind and rested on the Sabbath day from that as He completed the creation as He set out to do. Remember that mankind was created to expand His family and the Sabbath was also made for man to rest on from his works. I believe that when it comes to other things ie. controlling of the universe etc which includes the earth, God continually works as He can do it as He is God, and does not need the rest that man needs.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

well, yes, I did look at the dictionary..........and I also looked at Scripture........

Mark 2:27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 .) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

See, my SAVIOUR is LORD of the Sabbath......and IN HIM do I believe........try it! He is WONDERFUL!

Your statement originally .....and as long as we understand that there are differing definitions, and both are correct...... is not correct as you stated. You cannot claim that Saturday and Sunday can be treated as the Sabbath. There is only one Sabbath and that is the Saturday. As for your last comment, I do believe in Jesus Christ who is my Saviour and I do not have to 'try it' out as I already experienced His Love and companionship in my life.

 

[p_rehbein]

Your statement originally .....and as long as we understand that there are differing definitions, and both are correct...... is not correct as you stated. You cannot claim that Saturday and Sunday can be treated as the Sabbath. There is only one Sabbath and that is the Saturday. As for your last comment, I do believe in Jesus Christ who is my Saviour and I do not have to 'try it' out as I already experienced His Love and companionship in my life.

...........and so have I, and as HE is LORD of the Sabbath..........I'll go with Him......

(goodness...........next you'll be condemning me to hell.........sigh........)

 

[JaumeJ]

Psalms Chapter 92 תְּהִלִּים

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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] א מִזְמוֹר שִׁיר, לְיוֹם הַשַּׁבָּת.[/TD]
[TD]1 A Psalm, a Song. For the sabbath day.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ב טוֹב, לְהֹדוֹת לַיהוָה; וּלְזַמֵּר לְשִׁמְךָ עֶלְיוֹן.[/TD]
[TD]2 It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto Thy name, O Most High;[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ג לְהַגִּיד בַּבֹּקֶר חַסְדֶּךָ; וֶאֱמוּנָתְךָ, בַּלֵּילוֹת.[/TD]
[TD]3 To declare Thy lovingkindness in the morning, and Thy faithfulness in the night seasons,[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ד עֲלֵי-עָשׂוֹר, וַעֲלֵי-נָבֶל; עֲלֵי הִגָּיוֹן בְּכִנּוֹר.[/TD]
[TD]4 With an instrument of ten strings, and with the psaltery; with a solemn sound upon the harp.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ה כִּי שִׂמַּחְתַּנִי יְהוָה בְּפָעֳלֶךָ; בְּמַעֲשֵׂי יָדֶיךָ אֲרַנֵּן.[/TD]
[TD]5 For Thou, LORD, hast made me glad through Thy work; I will exult in the works of Thy hands.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ו מַה-גָּדְלוּ מַעֲשֶׂיךָ יְהוָה; מְאֹד, עָמְקוּ מַחְשְׁבֹתֶיךָ.[/TD]
[TD]6 How great are Thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ז אִישׁ-בַּעַר, לֹא יֵדָע; וּכְסִיל, לֹא-יָבִין אֶת-זֹאת.[/TD]
[TD]7 A brutish man knoweth not, neither doth a fool understand this.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ח בִּפְרֹחַ רְשָׁעִים, כְּמוֹ עֵשֶׂב, וַיָּצִיצוּ, כָּל-פֹּעֲלֵי אָוֶן: לְהִשָּׁמְדָם עֲדֵי-עַד.[/TD]
[TD]8 When the wicked spring up as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they may be destroyed for ever.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] ט וְאַתָּה מָרוֹם-- לְעֹלָם יְהוָה.[/TD]
[TD]9 But Thou, O LORD, art on high for evermore.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] י כִּי הִנֵּה אֹיְבֶיךָ, יְהוָה-- כִּי-הִנֵּה אֹיְבֶיךָ יֹאבֵדוּ:
יִתְפָּרְדוּ, כָּל-פֹּעֲלֵי אָוֶן.[/TD]
[TD]10 For, lo, Thine enemies, O LORD, for, lo, Thine enemies shall perish: {N}
all the workers of iniquity shall be scattered.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] יא וַתָּרֶם כִּרְאֵים קַרְנִי; בַּלֹּתִי, בְּשֶׁמֶן רַעֲנָן.[/TD]
[TD]11 But my horn hast Thou exalted like the horn of the wild-ox; I am anointed with rich oil.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: h"] יב וַתַּבֵּט עֵינִי, בְּשׁוּרָי:
בַּקָּמִים עָלַי מְרֵעִים-- תִּשְׁמַעְנָה אָזְנָי.[/TD]
[TD]12 Mine eye also hath gazed on them that lie in wait for me, {N}
mine ears have heard my desire of the evil-doers that rise up against me.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] יג צַדִּיק, כַּתָּמָר יִפְרָח; כְּאֶרֶז בַּלְּבָנוֹן יִשְׂגֶּה.[/TD]
[TD]13 The righteous shall flourish like the palm-tree; he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="class: h"] יד שְׁתוּלִים, בְּבֵית יְהוָה; בְּחַצְרוֹת אֱלֹהֵינוּ יַפְרִיחוּ.[/TD]
[TD]14 Planted in the house of the LORD, they shall flourish in the courts of our God.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: h"] טו עוֹד, יְנוּבוּן בְּשֵׂיבָה; דְּשֵׁנִים וְרַעֲנַנִּים יִהְיוּ.[/TD]
[TD]15 They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be full of sap and richness;[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: h"] טז לְהַגִּיד, כִּי-יָשָׁר יְהוָה; צוּרִי, וְלֹא-עלתה (עַוְלָתָה) בּוֹ.[/TD]
[TD]16 To declare that the LORD is upright, my Rock, in whom there is no unrighteousness.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TruthFromFrank]

...........and so have I, and as HE is LORD of the Sabbath..........I'll go with Him......

(goodness...........next you'll be condemning me to hell.........sigh........)

You know what they say about sarcasm. That is not needed on this forum.

 

[p_rehbein]

You know what they say about sarcasm. That is not needed on this forum.

well.......................

QUOTE FROM FRANK:
It is obvious that you have consulted Dictionaries, a man-made compilation, for the definition of Sabbath. Now because man has said that Sabbath is a day of rest on the Sunday for the Christians, you believe it. That is exactly what Satan likes, to see that man is believing in man and not in Jesus or God. Jesus confirmed to man which day is the Sabbath when He was on this earth as man. It is therefore not wise to follow Satan in his teachings.
END QUOTE.............

Not sure it is sarcasm on my part.............seems as if you actually did.


[note to self............update ignore list........]

 

[Brother_Don]

Thanks JaumeJ for posting that PSALM, typing one finger at a time would have taken a while, and i don't know how to copy and paste , and other things on the computer.

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Praus, the High Priest always acted on behalf of the Children of Israel, just as our preist, Yeshua Moshiach, acts on behalf of all who belong to him. If you decide to keep the Sabbath holy by worshiping on Sunday, I suggest doing that with the ones who by ritual changed the day, or do so otherwise at your own risk. There are three issues at hand here, 1: What day to keep the Sabbath, 2: How to keep it HOLY, and 3: whether this shows or is contained within the Law of God. As for the third, if you read the first 8 verses of Romans (where Paul lists 5 of the 10 commandments) you will find your argument disqualified, thanks for the misleading reference. I know this thread is from October, but I had to comment. To read your exchange was very uplifting. It is by explaining her actions in observing the Sabbaths, and the feasts, that the mother passes their heritage on to her son, and it is by apologetics that we reinforce and correct our minds in the interpretation of the things contained in our hearts. This is a healthy, and ongoing process, by which iron is sharpened. I got so much blessing and revelation through this process in going through the comments here. You guys totally rock. Many blessings to all of you. Remember the Sabbath, AND keep it HOLY, AND love your neighbor. Then will you be sealed upon your forehead as well as your heart. Your hand, as well as your arm. And I will see you in the resurrection, if it is within the will of the Father.

 

[sparkman]

Isaiah 58:13-14
“If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot
From doing your own pleasure on My holy day,
And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable,
And honor it, desisting from your own ways,
From seeking your own pleasure
And speaking your own word,
14 Then you will take delight in the Lord,
And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth;
And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father,
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”


Have a blessed Sabbath!

What if my pleasure is worshiping God?

 

[Tintin]

What if my pleasure is worshiping God?

Looks to me more like you're trolling big-time. Not a good way to make a first impression. I'm keeping an eye on you. Two, if I can spare them.

 

[prove-all]

What if my pleasure is worshiping God?

And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

If ye love me, keep my commandments.​

 

[Jeff_56]

Isaiah 58:13-14
“If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot
From doing your own pleasure on My holy day,
And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable,
And honor it, desisting from your own ways,
From seeking your own pleasure
And speaking your own word,
14 Then you will take delight in the Lord,
And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth;
And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father,
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”


Have a blessed Sabbath!

GOOD!


....... can someone "unBLESS" what YAHWEH has BLESSED ?

 

[Jeff_56]

What if my pleasure is worshiping God?

that WOULD BE most excellent -- and you would then be keeping the seventh day sabbath (GOD'S SABBATH) accordingly, as HE SAYS.

 

[sparkman]

Yes, Christians keep the commandments that apply to THEM. Not the ones made with Israel, and not the ones made under the Old Covenant which is no longer in effect per the proof that I gave earlier in the thread.

And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

If ye love me, keep my commandments.​

 

[sparkman]

that WOULD BE most excellent -- and you would then be keeping the seventh day sabbath (GOD'S SABBATH) accordingly, as HE SAYS.

He requires us to do his pleasure and worship him EVERY Day..not just on one day.

By the way I wouldn't hesitate to keep the Sabbath if He required it..but he does not as is proved in my earlier post. The Old Covenant was for ancient Israel, and not for Christians....and it isn't even in effect for them now.

 

[sparkman]

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.

 

[Jeff_56]

sorry, "no english" .. (YOU) .... if you can't understand the Scriptures in english, and the other posters who have revealed Yahweh'S WORD here,

then hopefully you "no english", otherwise you're not gonna like what's coming.....( according to Yahweh'S WORD in english even. (naturally, Hebrew is lightyears better, but you don't have to know nor understand Hebrew. just kindergarten english, to understand Yahweh's Word on this. Babies get it even when they are raised right.)

 

[sparkman]

This makes absolutely no sense.

sorry, "no english" .. (YOU) .... if you can't understand the Scriptures in english, and the other posters who have revealed Yahweh'S WORD here,

then hopefully you "no english", otherwise you're not gonna like what's coming.....( according to Yahweh'S WORD in english even. (naturally, Hebrew is lightyears better, but you don't have to know nor understand Hebrew. just kindergarten english, to understand Yahweh's Word on this. Babies get it even when they are raised right.)

 

[weakness]

The Mark of Yahweh!

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."[/QUOTE Yes they are a token,of something else that is the object of their meaning. So what is the object the sabbath points to? The scripture you quoted says "so you will know that It is I the lord that sanctifies you" Jesus said all the law and prophets point to him and he opened the apostle hearts to see this. The Law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.The true rest that the Sabbath points to is Jesus.We can and must rest in him every day to be saved. We are seated in heavenly places in Christ. When you sit you are resting ,taking the load off."The carnal man is not subject to God neither indeed can be." Cor. The way out is to be baptized into his death so that the excellency of the life in us may be shown it is of God and not of us. We must die to the flesh. Paul said he was delivered unto death daily.Entering in to the rest that is in Christ , where we cease from our own works , Is the fulfilling of the law. This is the rest that the Sabbaths point to. Before the law this was Gods intent. Israel did nothing to free themselves from Egypt. It was all God doing.Their food ,water clothes, victories, Leading was all from God. But that was not enough ,they tempted God. Ex:3314 And he said, my presents shall go with thee and I shall give you rest. Ex 16:4 Behold I rain bread from Heaven, and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them ,whether they will walk in my law or not. And on the sixth day they shall gather twice as much as usual. I don't think the word sabbath was used prior to this in the bible.This was a test whether they would obey him , not the keeping of the sabbath.Which was added latter as a Sign, because they could or would not obey him. Now all this hasled to the pesant ,to Christ. Heb. says that there is a rest remain for us, because those that should have entered did not ,because of unbelief. And that we should labor to enter that rest. And that he that has entered into that rest has ceased from his own works. And enter into Christ finished work for us. For this is the work of God ,that you believe on Jesus. Now sunday is an ok day , everybody almost has the day off. But it nor Saturday is the Sabbath in respect to God working now in the Church. Maybe he is still using it to lead some to Christ. I don't know.