For those of you keeping the Sabbath........

[overcomer2]

Sin is unbelief in GOD through his son. Sin is all unrighteousness. Sin is not loving one's self or one's neighbor. Sin is lawlessness (i.e., opposing the revealed will of GOD)

okay, well I can say that we agree that sin is all unrighteousness. OT = The Law of God NT = The Law of Liberty. We are still under a law....the law of liberty.
[h=3]James 2:10-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


[h=3]James 2:10-12[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point [SUP](A)[/SUP]has become accountable for all of it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For he who said, [SUP](B)[/SUP]“Do not commit adultery,” also said, [SUP](C)[/SUP]“Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under [SUP](D)[/SUP]the law of liberty.

[h=3]James 2:10-12[/h]New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the one who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery but if you murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [SUP]12 [/SUP]So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Do you also believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Shabbat Shalom! It's late, but I have a couple of things to share. One is that the Sabbath is a sign of the children of Israel as to which God they honor.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Who are the children of Israel? Jew and Gentile, all are of one nation and one God whose grace is given freely to all who desire to be His. But, there are many who don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel that Y'shua came to save. They don't know Y'shua's Father who is our Father. They are in an identity crisis, so to speak. My prayer is May Yah draw them.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The other:

Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

You see, the story is telling you in one part of the world it will be night time, and in another part of the world, it is morning, and in another part of the world is afternoon. But "it" will be happening all at the exact same moment. Not so with the weekly Sabbath from Friday at sunset to sunset Saturday. God is in control of TIME. God declares when a new day begins (at the sunset of where ever you are at). God declares when the Sabbath is over, where ever you are at. God is with you, no matter what part of Earth you reside at.

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is very sad but since our Savior ascended to His rightful place, flesh has been on a steady march away from the faith of Abraham in favor of a Greek based orientation on understanding anything at all from the Word. When the Commandments are even mentioned there is a stampede of folks telling us we do not believe in grace, but works only, you know the rest. Call Jesus Yeshua or even the total translation of His name, Salvation, and eyebrows fly up like shutter raising.

It is obvious the Greek based study is terrified of anything that deals directly with the faith of Abraham for although they see those who recognize the Hebrew influence of our wisdom are perfectly adapted to using the Greek name also, they still are unable to grasp just how wonderful the way is after recognizing the Hebrew origins of our Faith of Abraham. I avoid using the words Hebrew roots even though they do describe well, because it is apparently a movement in the faith.

The only movement in the faith that is important to each of us is the Word, and being led by the Holy Spirit. I know the Holy Spirit will tell no believer that our faith is not the faith of Abraham, nor that Israel is not our future home with New Jerusalem.

Yahweh is Spirit, and He will be worshipped in spirit and truth, amen.

Shabbat Shalom! It's late, but I have a couple of things to share. One is that the Sabbath is a sign of the children of Israel as to which God they honor.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Who are the children of Israel? Jew and Gentile, all are of one nation and one God whose grace is given freely to all who desire to be His. But, there are many who don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel that Y'shua came to save. They don't know Y'shua's Father who is our Father. They are in an identity crisis, so to speak. My prayer is May Yah draw them.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The other:

Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

You see, the story is telling you in one part of the world it will be night time, and in another part of the world, it is morning, and in another part of the world is afternoon. But "it" will be happening all at the exact same moment. Not so with the weekly Sabbath from Friday at sunset to sunset Saturday. God is in control of TIME. God declares when a new day begins (at the sunset of where ever you are at). God declares when the Sabbath is over, where ever you are at. God is with you, no matter what part of Earth you reside at.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

okay, well I can say that we agree that sin is all unrighteousness. OT = The Law of God NT = The Law of Liberty. We are still under a law....the law of liberty. [h=3]James 2:10-12[/h]

Do you believe this doesn't define sin?

... whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. Romans 14:23​

Or that these aren't commandments (which if disobeyed would be sin):

And this is [GOD's] commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23​

 

[Apostol2013]

the law is that you do what is right and detest what is wickedness ... the law of the spirit is to do what is right rather than the ordinances set by man but by the righteous decrees of the Lord if you know he hates idolatry shall you do it , if he hates immorality shall you continue whether t be sexual or in any decree , our commandment is that we love God with all our heart and soul and that is not just with our lips , but our actions our minds our whole being this is where the children of God are manifest , and if we do this we fullfill the second commandment love one another as I have loved you , for by being first examples we also build faith on those around us , and let us not stay stuck on the exterior part that they can see but in the intimacy of our souls , our private sesions being aware that God is always watching , for i tell you this the inside also bears a stench , let yourselves be transformed renewed in a law within your hearts , the love of the lord fullfiled in your very lives , lwithout order there is no light in us this is the very Lord jesus our Christ our righteousness , let it not be in lip only but in every thing we do ..

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Because Paul was talking about the love one another aspect of the law, may be? Neither did he mention you shall have no other gods before me nor you shall no make for yourself an idol nor you shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.

Paul referred to the Love to the neighbour laws which are the last five Commandments of the ten Commandments.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

If you claim we should observe Sabbath because it is current law, then you misunderstand the work of the cross. Jesus came to fulfill the law. This means we do not need circumcision of the the penis, but circumcision of the heart. We no longer need to sacrifice animals as Christ is the ultimate sacrifice. We no longer need to cover ourselves with a talit (Jewish prayer shawl) when we pray because Jesus covers us in His blood. We no longer need to observe Sabbath as a law because Christ is our Sabbath.

Hi Danschance

I'm relatively new to CC and I agree that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial laws when He died on the cross, but it seems to me that the 10 Laws that God wrote in stone are still standing. I don't see in our society where it is o.k. to kill, steal, etc. As far as I can tell people still get arrested for those things. There is nothing wrong or changed about loving God with our whole hearts and worshipping Him, He asked that we put no idols before Him... (me with my shopping and you with sports? just guessing), He still wants us to honor our parents, adultery is still a no no, bearing false witness against people still not good and coveting what the Jones has not nice. So I agree that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial laws but the ones written in stone He kept Himself. Truly not trying to prove a point I'm just stating the obvious. Have a blest day and love in Christ. ldroy

The Ten Commandments of God are a permanent instruction to mankind until Jesus comes again. God gave it to man to guide him in Love. Love to God and Love to his neighbour. By fullfilling the first four Commandments you show your Love to God and the last six Commandments you will show your Love to your parents and your neighbours. Without the Commandments there will be no sin but with the Commandments we know what sin is. I certainly do not want to test God out by ignoring His Commandments. God owes me nothing but it is me who owes God great time. He has blessed me everyday right up to today and I thank God for it. Look how Jesus healed people by wiping their sin slate, which boils down to, if you sin willingly you may get all these problems/sicknesses in your life. God knew, even before creation that the Sabbath will be a problem in man's life and that is why God made it part of the Commandments. God is perfect and knows everything in advance and has planned for everything that might happen. He knows Satans powers and what he can achieve and that is why God had his Salvation plan in place in case things happened the way it happened. The Sabbath is the key factor in the difference between the believers of the world today. The ratio might be as high as 95% non-Sabbath holders and 5% Sabbath holders. That is why we are being taught that the road to destruction is wide and the road to the kingdom narrow. Satan has used the Roman Catholic Church intensively to do the change from Sabbath to Sunday and it is also confirmed in their 'Catechism Simply Explained', available on the intenet. The question is, how do feel about it. Are you going to listen to God or to the Roman Catholic Church. When I changed from Sunday keeping to Sabbath keeping, my life has dramatically changed but all for the better. I know now on which path I am I love it. I pray that your eyes and mind be opened to find the truth. Frank.
ps . Herewith a piece on Love. Jesus came to inform people how and what they must do to be saved.

1 Joh 5:1-3 – “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” This is one of the most important texts in the Bible and the one that is ignored the most.



The text above provides us with the following facts.



Everyone that believes that Jesus is the Christ = is born of God.



Everyone that loves the Father = loves those that is born of God.



Everyone that loves God and keep God’s Commandments = loves the children of God



The love of God = keep His Commandments.



Or another shorter summary:-

The keeping of the Commandments = love of God = love those that is born of God = believes that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah Saviour, Redeemer, Lamb, or Peacekeeper) = loves the children of God.



This is the perfect recipe for true love to God. Any ingredient that is changed negatively will therefore change all the other ingredients negatively. The one who wants to change it will soon realize that the final product is not going to be the same and could possibly turn out to be:-

Do not keep the Commandments = No love to God = No love to those that is born of God = Do not believe that Jesus is the Christ = No love towards the children of God.



Mankind can thus not accept God and reject Jesus or do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, and so could they not say that they love God whilst they disobey His Commandments, and so could they not say that they love the children of God whilst they do not love those that is born of God.



Perfect love can thus be seen as a unity of::- The Love towards God and Jesus Christ, plus the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, plus the love to those that are born of God, plus the love to the children of God, plus the love to keep all the Commandments. The omission of any one ‘love’ above, or even disobeying one or a part of the Commandments of God, disintegrates perfect love and can have serious consequences for man.



Jesus also came to teach man how to be good and loving to mankind, not by empty words, but with deeds.

1 Joh 3:18 – “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”

There is much proof in the Bible how Jesus added the deeds with the words and supported mankind with deeds. He healed and fed mankind. He came to teach man what real love is. He prayed right up to the end, with His death on the cross, for those that sinned against Him. He was a perfect example of what God wanted.

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah?

Absolutely! God has a Son and His name in Hebrew is Y'shua (English is Jesus) and He is the promised Messiah. He is my LORD AND SAVIOUR and without Him (Y'shua) I would not have salvation which is GRACE. "YHWY saves = Y'shua."
(Strong's #H3068 = Yehovah = "LORD" in KJV)
(Strong's #G2424 = Jehoshua/Jesus/Yehoshua/Y'shua = SALVATION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT and Greek Lexicon of OT)
(Strong's #H3442, H3444, H3091 = Yahshua, Yeshua, Yehoshua = SALVATION in the OLD TESTAMENT)

God's
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GRACE/UNMERITED FAVOR, NOT A NEW CONCEPT, GRACE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT:

(Genesis 6:8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

(Exodus 33:12) And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

(Exodus 33:17) And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

(1 Samuel 20:3) And David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I have found grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest he be grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, there is but a step between me and death.

(Ezra 9:8) And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.

(Psalms 84:11) For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

(Jeremiah 31:2) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

My point for such a lengthy reply is that the joy I find in knowing that the Entire Bible is applicable to our lives today and there is really no division of "Old" and "New", but "Original" and "Renewed". There is no division or dispensation of Israel/and or Jews and the Church. We are One Nation under One God, with Liberty and Justice for all mankind.

How about you? Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah?

 

[overcomer2]

Matthew 5:17-19


[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The law + fulfilled by Christ = The Law of Liberty Both are present in this equation. The Law and Christ.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Ellen G White was a false prophetess;

There never was a message from the 3 angels;

SDAism is talked about in NT as doctrines of demons

CoooCaw
It is quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about.
It appears to me that you are afraid of her and that is why you make such remarks.
She is a far better person than you will ever be.
How much do you know about Ellen G White? How many of her books have you read?
It is because of her writings that the SDA church started up which is one step closer to God than all the other churches in this world who holds the Sunday. - Fact
She is the one who told the world about the importance of Sabbath keeping. - Fact
Many of her prophecies have come true and now you are telling the whole world she was a false prophet.
She has written so many works that just the index of her work consists of 3000 pages (double columns). - Fact.
She has not contradicted herself once in all her writings. - Fact
Have you ever written and published anything defending the truth of God?
I would like to hear from you and what the titles of your so-called manuscripts are.
Ellen G White cleared up a lot of those mysteries that you read in your Bible, if you have one, which you cannot explain. She had more than a thousand visions, right from creation until the end of times.
So, until you can provide me with facts that Ellen G White is indeed a false prophet, I will still hold the Sabbath which God also wants me to do.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Absolutely! God has a Son and His name in Hebrew is Y'shua (English is Jesus) and He is the promised Messiah. He is my LORD AND SAVIOUR and without Him (Y'shua) I would not have salvation which is GRACE. "YHWY saves = Y'shua."
(Strong's #H3068 = Yehovah = "LORD" in KJV)
(Strong's #G2424 = Jehoshua/Jesus/Yehoshua/Y'shua = SALVATION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT and Greek Lexicon of OT)
(Strong's #H3442, H3444, H3091 = Yahshua, Yeshua, Yehoshua = SALVATION in the OLD TESTAMENT)

God's
Riches
At
Christ's
Expense

GRACE/UNMERITED FAVOR, NOT A NEW CONCEPT, GRACE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT:

(Genesis 6:8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

(Exodus 33:12) And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

(Exodus 33:17) And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

(1 Samuel 20:3) And David sware moreover, and said, Thy father certainly knoweth that I have found grace in thine eyes; and he saith, Let not Jonathan know this, lest he be grieved: but truly as the LORD liveth, and as thy soul liveth, there is but a step between me and death.

(Ezra 9:8) And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.

(Psalms 84:11) For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.

(Jeremiah 31:2) Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

My point for such a lengthy reply is that the joy I find in knowing that the Entire Bible is applicable to our lives today and there is really no division of "Old" and "New", but "Original" and "Renewed". There is no division or dispensation of Israel/and or Jews and the Church. We are One Nation under One God, with Liberty and Justice for all mankind.

How about you? Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah?

Absolutely. There is no doubt that Jesus is the only Son of God and the Messiah, that He was here on earth to teach man about God, that He died on the cross for man as man, that He was resurrected and is now sitting on the right hand side of God as the Highpriest and Advocate and that He is the Holy Spirit on this earth right now.
I do not believe that there is another separate Holy Spirit as being taught in the churches today but that is a subject for another time if you would like to hear what my thoughts are.
Jesus is my life and my joy.
Without Him I would not exist for He has died for me.
No one can imagine the painly death that Jesus suffered before and at the crucifixion.
Yes, and all that for all my sins.
He is my Saviour and I believe in Him.
He has shown me the way to follow and I am so thankful for that.
Looking back at my life, I realize where He stepped in and carried me.
How He changed my course of action to lead me on the right track.
This He did because He loves me as He knows my heart.
I have learnt to trust Him like a child would trust his/her parents.
When I ask Him, I do not doubt as I have experienced His right answers many times.
I want to be with Him one day and I try my utmost to please Him as I love Him and do not want to disappoint Him.
I don't know what I will do if He let go of my hand but my faith in Him tells me that He never will.
I believe that it is His will that I speak to people on this site as He has provided me with knowledge not many have.
I only speak what I know and He knows that.
I do not make up stories to be famous but I am guided by His Word.
From the Bible I have learnt a lot and although there are descrepancies, the truth comes out and that is the most important fact.
I have learnt what real love is which is a love for those unfortunate ones who do not know God and those who suffer who did not ask for it.
The love I have for God and Jesus Christ is also to obey the Commandments, which includes the Sabbath - Saturday, as best I can and this is also where grace comes in and that is God's power to me to be strong to resist the temptations of Satan to sin and to forgive my sins when I have sinned.
I spend time every day praying and ask that He will control my mind and my deeds and it is just amazing how He does that.
I believe in God and Jesus Christ with my whole heart, sole and mind.

Here is also another piece that I have just written on love.

Jesus came to inform people how and what they must do to be saved.

1 Joh 5:1-3 – “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” This is one of the most important texts in the Bible and the one that is ignored the most.



The text above provides us with the following facts.

Everyone that believes that Jesus is the Christ = is born of God.

Everyone that loves the Father = loves those that is born of God.

Everyone that loves God and keep God’s Commandments = loves the children of God

The love of God = keep His Commandments.

Or another shorter summary:-

The keeping of the Commandments = love of God = love those that is born of God = believes that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah Saviour, Redeemer, Lamb, or Peacekeeper) = loves the children of God.

This is the perfect recipe for true love to God. Any ingredient that is changed negatively will therefore change all the other ingredients negatively. The one who wants to change it will soon realize that the final product is not going to be the same and could possibly turn out to be:-

Do not keep the Commandments = No love to God = No love to those that is born of God = Do not believe that Jesus is the Christ = No love towards the children of God.



Mankind can thus not accept God and reject Jesus or do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, and so could they not say that they love God whilst they disobey His Commandments, and so could they not say that they love the children of God whilst they do not love those that is born of God.

Perfect love can thus be seen as a unity of::- The Love towards God and Jesus Christ, plus the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, plus the love to those that are born of God, plus the love to the children of God, plus the love to keep all the Commandments. The omission of any one ‘love’ above, or even disobeying one or a part of the Commandments of God, disintegrates perfect love and can have serious consequences for man.

Jesus also came to teach man how to be good and loving to mankind, not by empty words, but with deeds.

1 Joh 3:18 – “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”

There is much proof in the Bible how Jesus added the deeds with the words and supported mankind with deeds. He healed and fed mankind. He came to teach man what real love is. He prayed right up to the end, with His death on the cross, for those that sinned against Him. He was a perfect example of what God wanted.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Matthew 5:17-19


[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The law + fulfilled by Christ = The Law of Liberty Both are present in this equation. The Law and Christ.

Thanks for your text and personal view.
It is the last sentence in your writing that needs to be explained in plain uncomplicated English please.
I do not understand what you are trying to say.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

A sign between God and man is not the same as a seal or a mark being placed on a man’s forehead. The seal of God that is placed on believers has nothing to do with whether or not one observes the Sabbath on Saturday or Sunday but instead whether one has that circumcision of the heart that comes with being born again! Isn’t it time you leave this guess work theology that places the traditions of men above the word of God behind and search for truth?

Doulos.
You cannot hold the Sabbath on the Saturday OR the Sunday. There is only one Sabbath and that is the Saturday, in fact from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Go and speak to any Jewish believer as they were the closest to Jesus Christ and they will confirm my statement. Sunday is the first day of the week and everybody knows that. You can confirm this with your minister to if you have one. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath and never will that be. The seventh day in the first seven day cycle at creation was named Sabbath and no other day. This is also the only day God has holied and blessed, not the Sunday, as God worked on the Sunday and Jesus as well.
With regards to the mark on the forehead and the hand. That refers to the thoughts(forehead) and doings(hand) of Satan's work which is obviously against God's instructions. The Sabbath keeping is God's instruction and Sunday keeping is Satan's instruction, so, following the Sunday observance, also a man-made law, is following the Roman Catholic Church tradition who introduced the Sunday worshipping in 375AC by Constantine, which is followed so faithfully by millions of believers. Do yourself a favour and check on the 'Catechism Simply Explained' on internet as that spells out the Roman Catholic Church's involvement in the changing of the Sabbath to Sunday. It is just amazing how many people try to defend the Sunday keeping without the knowledge of God's Word and the Roman Catholic Church's involvement. As the Bible teaches us, we need to search for the truth and retain it when we get it. I am giving you the truth. The choice is yours what you want to do with it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus worked on the sabbath.

Therefore, the Jews began persecuting Jesus because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus responded to them, "My Father is still working, and I am working also." John 5:17-18​

GOD has never stopped working. He rested on the 7th day of creation because he finished it. There was nothing left to do. That's how GOD rolls.

Jesus said, 'It is finished'. Everything in the OT written about him, including all of the law, was fulfilled and complete.

Then [Jesus] told them, “These are My words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44​

 

[timberdoodle]

Jesus worked on the sabbath.

Therefore, the Jews began persecuting Jesus because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus responded to them, "My Father is still working, and I am working also." John 5:17-18​

GOD has never stopped working. He rested on the 7th day of creation because he finished it. There was nothing left to do. That's how GOD rolls.

Jesus said, 'It is finished'. Everything in the OT written about, including all of the law, was fulfilled and complete.

Then [Jesus] told them, “These are My words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44​

So this begs the question, "Did God really rest on the Seventh Day"?

Blessings in Christ

Timber

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So this begs the question, "Did God really rest on the Seventh Day"?

Blessings in Christ

Timber

The only thing GOD rested from on the 7th day was creating the natural world. It was finished, perfect and complete. There was nothing left to do. That's why he stopped.

 

[Yahshua]

Doulos.
You cannot hold the Sabbath on the Saturday OR the Sunday. There is only one Sabbath and that is the Saturday, in fact from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. Go and speak to any Jewish believer as they were the closest to Jesus Christ and they will confirm my statement. Sunday is the first day of the week and everybody knows that. You can confirm this with your minister to if you have one. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath and never will that be. The seventh day in the first seven day cycle at creation was named Sabbath and no other day. This is also the only day God has holied and blessed, not the Sunday, as God worked on the Sunday and Jesus as well.
With regards to the mark on the forehead and the hand. That refers to the thoughts(forehead) and doings(hand) of Satan's work which is obviously against God's instructions. The Sabbath keeping is God's instruction and Sunday keeping is Satan's instruction, so, following the Sunday observance, also a man-made law, is following the Roman Catholic Church tradition who introduced the Sunday worshipping in 375AC by Constantine, which is followed so faithfully by millions of believers. Do yourself a favour and check on the 'Catechism Simply Explained' on internet as that spells out the Roman Catholic Church's involvement in the changing of the Sabbath to Sunday. It is just amazing how many people try to defend the Sunday keeping without the knowledge of God's Word and the Roman Catholic Church's involvement. As the Bible teaches us, we need to search for the truth and retain it when we get it. I am giving you the truth. The choice is yours what you want to do with it.

Yes...it's a shame when navigating from one issue to another one's labeled as being from this group or that group, when in reality we're just trying follow scripture only and return to the faith once held by the saints.

I have family who are adamantly against the Roman Catholic Church, and yet when you tell them that many of their doctrines they firmly hold as true came directly from Roman Catholicism they either make excuses or ignore what I say. There are literally publications directly from the pen of Roman Catholic officials stating that "the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday was *our mark* of authority..." in the faith. When I read that years ago, that alone sent red flags up. And yet lockstep they follow this man-made decree because "it's what we've always done, and I can't see God having a problem with it". Yet how many times do we have to read God saying "Sabbath...throughout *ALL* your generation" or "do not add to or take away from the commands I give you".

I don't get it...

 

[timberdoodle]

The only thing GOD rested from on the 7th day was creating the natural world. It was finished, perfect and complete. There was nothing left to do. That's why he stopped.

I agree. By the way I enjoy reading your posts.

Timber

 

[overcomer2]

Well, ask yourself why then did he not just stop at 6 days. God is not bound by time. He could have rested for all eternity after working for 6 days. He actually created time. So, he created the 7the day for rest as a foretaste of things to come..