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I know I was saved. Some folks were saving someone else wasn't saved when he took the deep dive away from God after he was saved. They said he was "falsely converted" or "not enlightened." I'm trying to figure out what they mean by those things, since I know I was saved, and then did really stupid, sinful things. I don't see what a false conversion is, or, what one is when the person returns. (If they never come back and then they die, I get that one, but not if they come back.) It just doesn't make sense to me. (And, so, I ask. lol)
That's going from rebirth, back to unbirth, and back to re-rebirth.
No, the NT does not teach that.
The back slider is just that--slidden back, not fallen fatally.
Yes, that is the condition of all the elect, who are all lost and dead sinners until they are "found" and made alive again, including the Gentiles, to which the Pharisees objected, thinking themselves never lost, dead, found and made alive again.
No, the NT does not teach that.
The back slider is just that--slidden back, not fallen fatally.
Yes, that is the condition of all the elect, who are all lost and dead sinners until they are "found" and made alive again, including the Gentiles, to which the Pharisees objected, thinking themselves never lost, dead, found and made alive again.
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Bad form! (A Captain Hook term. lol)
Paul did say, "God forbid," but that's in the middle of a whole treatise on why God and why us in relationship to God. Without the former and then the later, it doesn't cover the whole concept. God really did forbid and did something about all of it at the same time.
To cut it out is something like saying, "America's First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law...of religion.'" It does say that, but it says much more than that and some really important words are missing.
Paul did say, "God forbid," but that's in the middle of a whole treatise on why God and why us in relationship to God. Without the former and then the later, it doesn't cover the whole concept. God really did forbid and did something about all of it at the same time.
To cut it out is something like saying, "America's First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law...of religion.'" It does say that, but it says much more than that and some really important words are missing.
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John Newton was saved by God when he was 23 years old. At the time he was saved, he was at the bottom of his slave ship being tossed around so badly he was sure he would die. He wrote the first verse of Amazing Grace while waiting for that ship to be repaired.
He kept trading slaves for almost a decade. Then God got him to study more of the word. He wasn't unsaved because he kept running slaves. It takes a while for salvation to get through to different parts of our lives.
He and Cowper finished that song decades later.
He kept trading slaves for almost a decade. Then God got him to study more of the word. He wasn't unsaved because he kept running slaves. It takes a while for salvation to get through to different parts of our lives.
He and Cowper finished that song decades later.
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Anyone left not ignored? 
Theres different kinds of corrupting of the scriptures but the more honest of them can at least cough one up in their dishonest attempt to save face rather then doing the jig for pages.
Its the ones who will seek to save their own face at the cost of truth which dont even deserve an ear.
But it is still all good that such things are made manifest, especially if only if for the lurkers sake (who are the larger part) who should flee when they start seeing that as acceptable.