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There is no reason to downplay what he said. He said he was a friend of sinners. There is a difference of going into a bar so as to evangelize people and hanging out with your old drinking buddies because you don't mind being around their sinful habits.
Did someone condone hanging out at Louie's for old time's sake?
 

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No. The father was not in the wrong for forgiving his son when he came back and in celebrating his return. The brother was in the wrong for being upset that all the attention was going to him.
WRONG?????????????????????????????????????
Who said the father was wrong?
Is Redtent helping you with your posts?
 
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There is no reason to downplay what he said. He said he was a friend of sinners. There is a difference of going into a bar so as to evangelize people and hanging out with your old drinking buddies because you don't mind being around their sinful habits.
There is nothing wrong with either......and to distinguish between the two is fruitless and bias.....there is nothing wrong with occasionally hanging out witht the lost who need Jesus regardless of the fact of where they are..be it a bar and or backyard cookout!
 
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My point is how could you tell them circumcision is not talking about a seal when it is talking about how it is a seal. How could you explain to them that your circumcision is made uncircumisicion if you break the law? Do you think Christians are without any kind of laws? Does not Paul say there is a Law of Christ? Does not Paul say to us in the Scriptures that what he has written for us believers should be regarded as the Lord's Commandments? Is not sin, transgression of the law (As mentioned in Scripture)? So if that is true, then how can one confess sin if there is no sin or law to trangress for believers today?
well, honestly, i wouldn't say half of that stuff.
i don't lie to my kiddos.
 
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There is nothing wrong with either......
What? It most certainly is wrong to think that a believer is not bothered by the sinful habits of others. Even Lot was vexed by the people's filthy conversations in his own town.

there is nothing wrong with occasionally hanging out witht the lost who need Jesus regardless of the fact of where they are..be it a bar and or backyard cookout!
Scripture says, have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

In other words, lets say Bob struggled with drinking, and after meeting Jesus, he then decides to go to a bar to hang out with his buddies who drink. Not a very smart idea if he still could be tempted to drink again. Oh wait. But that's okay. Bob can go back to being a drunk if he wanted to. It really doesn't matter in the grande scheme of things. For once a son always a son, right?
 
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well, honestly, i wouldn't say half of that stuff.
i don't lie to my kiddos.
So you wouldn't tell them what Scripture says plainly? Wherein do you think I am saying something different than what the Scripture says? Again, I believe you are avoiding in discussing the issue because I believe you honestly cannot actually explain away what the Bible says in these passages. But continue to make smart remarks if you like.
 
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What? It most certainly is wrong to think that a believer is not bothered by the sinful habits of others. Even Lot was vexed by the people's filthy conversations in his own town.



Scripture says, have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. So lets say Bob struggled with drinking, and after meeting Jesus, he then decides to go to a bar to hang out with his buddies who drink. Not a very smart idea if he still could be tempted to drink again. Oh wait. But that's okay. Bob can go back to being a drunk if you wanted to. It really doesn't matter in the grande scheme of things. For once a son always a son, right?
No offence, but your views mean nothing to me and carry about as much water as the dish drainer....Jesus was not offended at the peoples sin and went to where they were in order to lead them to the truth and Paul became all things to all people that he might win some....The command to disassociate is aimed at believers who are contrary to the truth......

And Lot lived with it day in and day out...key word OCCASIONALLY which you seemed to ignore....
 
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So you wouldn't tell them what Scripture says plainly? Wherein do you think I am saying something different than what the Scripture says? Again, I believe you are avoiding in discussing the issue because I believe you honestly cannot actually explain away what the Bible says in these passages. But continue to make smart remarks if you like.
i'm sorry, Jason. i don't mean to make smart remarks. :)

but i have learned there's not a lot of point in discussing God's Word with you.
i won't convince you, and you surely won't make me believe what you do.

there's this new thing the kids are doing called the whole counsel of God?
you should check it out. :)
 
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No offence, but your views mean nothing to me and carry about as much water as the dish drainer....Jesus was not offended at the peoples sin and went to where they were in order to lead them to the truth and Paul became all things to all people that he might win some....The command to disassociate is aimed at believers who are contrary to the truth......

And Lot lived with it day in and day out...key word OCCASIONALLY which you seemed to ignore....
I want to understand what you believe. Are you actually saying you believe Jesus just hung out with sinners... got them to believe in Him... and yet He did not require them to stop sinning as a part of having a right standing with God?
 

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Are you implying that I don't have the milk teaching? If that is so, then what exactly is the milk teaching according to what you believe? Do you also believe future sin is forgiven a believer, too?
He was not implying that at all. Offering milk and cookies is a euphemism from the Speak Your Mind thread. It means to 'chill out'.
 
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There are four theories of salvation (restrictive, wider hope, universal, unitarian),

three theories of the security of the believer (eternal security, continued faith, faith
& works),

two theories of the destiny of the saved (soul present with the lord, soul sleep)

and three theories of the destiny of the lost (conscious everlasting punishment,

temporary purgatory, total annihilation)
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I want to understand what you believe. Are you actually saying you believe Jesus just hung out with sinners... got them to believe in Him... and yet He did not require them to stop sinning as a part of having a right standing with God?
No where did I imply that he did not require them to stop sinning in order to have a right standing with God....why do you always read into what people say? The point is simple....Jesus was not offended by the people's sin and went to them where they were in order to have the opportunity to witness and or teach them...Paul done the same thing....He became ALL things unto ALLmen that he might gain some.....there is nothing wrong with going to a bar with friends and or going to a back yard cook out with lost neighbors.....it does not mean you have to drink and it gives a perfect opportunity to explain why you would not drink......you cannot win the lost if you never go where the lost are.........this does not mean you have to partake of their sin and or the things they do that are contrary......
 
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i'm sorry, Jason. i don't mean to make smart remarks.

but i have learned there's not a lot of point in discussing God's Word with you.
i won't convince you, and you surely won't make me believe what you do.

there's this new thing the kids are doing called the whole counsel of God?
you should check it out.
I am not sure what is in that document, but what scares me is if you will teach them about Once Saved Always Saved or that future sin is forgiven them. Are you teaching them that now?
 
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I am not sure what is in that document, but what scares me is if you will teach them about Once Saved Always Saved or that future sin is forgiven them. Are you teaching them that now?
Another thing you need to get over Jason......Jesus either paid your entire sin debt almost 2000 years ago or he paid none of it......and to say that he did not pay for every sin you would ever commit rejects and denies the fact that where sin abounds GRACE did much more abound...Christ died unto SIN once and paid the entire sin debt of humanity except for unbelief....
 
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No where did I imply that he did not require them to stop sinning in order to have a right standing with God....why do you always read into what people say?
I was asking a question so as to what you believe and wanted to confirm it before making an assumption. Now, I know. By your statement here, it sounds to me like you believe that Jesus did not require people to stop sinning to have a right standing with God. I just wanted to make sure you do believe that. Because to me..... such a teaching is pure evil because Jesus would be condoning people's sins if he were to do so.

The point is simple....Jesus was not offended by the people's sin
Then you have not either read or you forgotten about how Jesus was angry (and offended) at the Pharisee's sin of hypocrisy then.

and went to them where they were in order to have the opportunity to witness and or teach them...Paul done the same thing....He became ALL things unto ALLmen that he might gain some.....there is nothing wrong with going to a bar with friends and or going to a back yard cook out with lost neighbors.....it does not mean you have to drink and it gives a perfect opportunity to explain why you would not drink......you cannot win the lost if you never go where the lost are.........this does not mean you have to partake of their sin and or the things they do that are contrary......
Yes, I realize that we can go to a family event or go to an unbelieving friends house to witness to them. But just to hang out with them to enjoy ourselves is not what God calls us to do. We are amongst them to witness to them. There is no other reason. We are bought and paid for with a price and we are not our own.
 
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I want to understand what you believe. Are you actually saying you believe Jesus just hung out with sinners... got them to believe in Him... and yet He did not require them to stop sinning as a part of having a right standing with God?
no one stops sinning

two different topics, salvation and sanctification