FOR WHAT I AM DOING........PART 1

[MahogonySnail]

The way a christian is supposed to be, is not to have two natures sinful and holy, working against one another like in the cartoons where they have a devil on one shoulder and angel on the other. The sinful nature is still present but it is dead and buried with Christ. That is what baptism symbolises. Going under the water symbolises death, up out of the water symbolises new birth or resurrection. That is what the Holy Spirit is for, who empowers and regenerates our soul so that we are no longer sinners by nature, but saints by nature. In the same way as Christ bore our sins and took them to the grave and died a sinners death, he rose sinless and perfect and glorified, as though he had never once bore the sins of the whole world. This is what baptism symbolises and this picture describes perfectly why a christian should not be half and half but 100% spiritual and 0% fleshly. And if we achieve that, we have arrived at a place where our nature will be not to sin, but to "not to sin". And that's how anyone can go through a day, a week, a month, perhaps a year, without sinning.

 

[QuestionTime]

Excellent Thread!

Romans 7 is the life of a baby or "carnal" Christian. A mature Christian has experienced the promise of God found in Ezek 36:

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The person described in Romans 7 is definitely not the same person described in Ezekiel 36.

Quest

 

[QuestionTime]

Paul was not having a struggle at that time as you suppose. He was a mature and renewed and born again and Spirit filled apostle!!! HE was not spreading the Gospel one minute and getting drunk and cussing the next! (also refer to your past teachings on here about crucifixion of the old man - Paul was very much dead and sold out for Christ, and victorious!). He was writing of himself in the present tense, about how He used to be before He got saved. It was a common way for ancient authors of the bible to make their point and show themself more relevant to the reader. Look up any good bible commentary or theologian about it. Please don't portray our beloved apostle Paul as a struggling sinner. If he was then much of our new testament may as well have been written by a prostitute and not a mature, victorious, holy and Holy Spirit filled and empowered minister of God. There really should be no such great struggle with your old man if it has truly been crucified and died, dead and buried, as baptism symbolises.

Amen! Paul didn't struggle with sin.

The reason we live in a luke-warm church age is because of Calvinism and it's incorrect understanding of Sanctification. I've been to Calvinist churches and when the people pray they pray words of defeat about how they are struggling! It's sickening! Christ is victorious over sin and He wants us to be also.

Quest

 

[MahogonySnail]

The peer pressure to remain almost siinless, but not quite there yet,and always chipping away at the stone , can be strong.

 

[lighthousejohn]

The way a christian is supposed to be, is not to have two natures sinful and holy, working against one another like in the cartoons where they have a devil on one shoulder and angel on the other. The sinful nature is still present but it is dead and buried with Christ. That is what baptism symbolises. Going under the water symbolises death, up out of the water symbolises new birth or resurrection. That is what the Holy Spirit is for, who empowers and regenerates our soul so that we are no longer sinners by nature, but saints by nature. In the same way as Christ bore our sins and took them to the grave and died a sinners death, he rose sinless and perfect and glorified, as though he had never once bore the sins of the whole world. This is what baptism symbolises and this picture describes perfectly why a christian should not be half and half but 100% spiritual and 0% fleshly. And if we achieve that, we have arrived at a place where our nature will be not to sin, but to "not to sin". And that's how anyone can go through a day, a week, a month, perhaps a year, without sinning.

If Paul was such a perfect man, why would he feel that it was necessary to admonish believers Philipians 2:12 "12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling," Thayer's Lexicon states that fear and trembling is: "with fear and trembling, used to describe the anxiety of one who distrusts his ability completely to meet all requirements, but religiously does his utmost to fulfil his duty" Of what must a believer be in fear of if not His sin nature, God? It can't be in fear of God because it is not man's ability that brings him to God. 2 Philipians 2:13 states: "13for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose."

This only leaves a deep and abiding fear of failure as a believer. Can you honestly say that you have never struggled with a sinful desire since you became a believer?

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Maybe even supernatural. As the terms "adopted heirs and sons of God, priests and kings through Jesus Christ" imply.





God inspired Paul to write it. Not forced him to. God never literally held the pen though. Also, much of Paul's writings are not him writing in some trance like state, whatever he hears from heaven, most of the things he writes are practical commands and doctrine and instruction to his churches. They are letters. His intention was not to write heavenly scripture, but to communicate to his churches using the inspiration of the Holy Spirit which He had.

If the Word of the Lord was just inspiration and not forced as you call it, then I dont think it's technically all Gods (inspiration is motivation, is by extention a collection of thoughts which is a letter written by your own power). You just called God a motivator of the Bible and not the sole author. No, God didn't hold the pen, but He did speak through Paul purposely so that it would become His Word. Its not the Bible according to Paul. Whether it was Pauls intention to or not, it was Gods doing and His Holy will that allowed Paul to write what he did.




Any verse that shows this struggle with pride and his lying? He was given a thorn to buffet him to keep him from pride after revelation. Can't think of any others. Lying? It raises serious questions about the truthfulness of the scriptures if Paul was an occasional liar.

So you're saying that in order for Paul to struggle with sin, he had to write down what sin specifically? The verses previously mentioned clearly states that he was talking about sin and his internal struggle with it. Do you need to give a child a name for it to exist?



I won't find the reference but I'm sure you've heard of a verse that says bishops must be blameless. Church leadership, and called apostles had a high calling to maturity and holiness. To live otherwise would ruin their witness and testimony. It was not because he was sinless that he was called to be an apostle, but that because he was called to be an apostle and empowered by the Spirit in such a mighty way. He may have slipped up from time to time , but he most certainly was not a half and half christian who struggled with flesh one minute and was out healing the sick in power the next. He would be a hypocrite to write the things he did about being dead to the world, and buried with Christ and the old man being dead, and being holy, and speaking against the carnality in the churches like Corinth, if he himself taught that to others but didn't live and experience it himself.

You're contradicting yourself even here. You just said that apostles have a high calling to maturity and holiness- to live otherwise would ruin their witness and testimony, but its not because you're sinless that you're an apostle. You just stated that he might have slipped time from time...which was my point entirely. Why are you disagreeing with me then? Slipping from "time to time" is what we call struggling with sin. Why are you putting such an importance on his past struggles and somehow refuse to believe in a present one?

You use the word exhausting which shows you are thinking and trying in your own strength. I'm not saying that at all. If anything it's surrender. It's crucifixion of the flesh. It's submission. By Christ's cleansing blood and our baptism , we are clean, set free, redeemed, righteous, holy, perfect. Read Romans 6. God's power not our own. Man shall live by every word of God. Not by power nor might but by My Spirit says the Lord. I will put a new heart and a new spirit within them. Every man shall know Me. To know God means to love Him. To love God means to obey His commands. To obey His commands means to not sin. If by the Spirit we put to death the deeds of the body we shall live. If we live according to the flesh we will die. That's all in the scriptures from both old and new testament and I'm just paraphrasing. We may still fall or slip from time to time, but I will not say that "I sinned today", just to satisfy a doctrine that "we are still sinners", if I truly know not or have not sinned. Saying we've sinned when we have not is basically condemnation.

I say exhausting because you imply in your past posts that Paul's sinless lifestyle is the only thing sustaining the word of God and his credibility. He'd practically have to be Jesus in order to come up to that kind of standard. You seem angry when people say Paul wasn't the adverge Joe, but then I have to ask what was he to you? There is no other catagory besides an on fire, cold, and lukewarm Christian. Can one Christian really out-do another when they both are in love with God?

Also to say that you haven't sinned today raises a red flag to me. Yes we're not to condemn ourselves but that doesn't mean ignore our sin, or refuse to see that it's there. We have to be humble enough to ask the Lord to show us our shortcommings so we can learn from them. It's not a "I have to do this because I'm a sinner" thing, it's a "I want to grow, Lord show me where I fell short today" thing.




Part of my issue is how people see him as just any regular man who God could have plucked off the street and then moved his hand to write like a puppet on the string. He was not only used by God, like a rag doll, but he was a chief apostle. These guys didn't preach during the week and get drunk on friday nights.

I find this part of your argument funny. God likes using ordinary people and it's very apparent in a lot of parts in the Bible. Why is Paul any different? God choose him, but it's the Christ in him that makes him great not the man himself (chief apostle or not). I'm sure Paul will agree with that. By refering to him as a "puppet" you are acting like Paul is somehow being violated by being lead by the Holy Spirit.


But still the problem remains, how do you know if when Paul wrote his letters, he was not in a sinful or carnal attitude at the time?

I dont think he was being sinful, I think he was being honest.

 

[MahogonySnail]

A hypothetical growth or accountability group session, involving person A and B:

Person A (group leader). "So, this past week can we share what God has been doing in our lives, and any struggles with sin we've had that God has given us victory over. Person B, can you start?"

Person B. "Well I honestly haven't sinned this past week. "

A: "What? How can you say such a thing, 1 John says unless you admit you have sinned you are a liar!"

B: "well, umm, I guess i might have sinned... *struggling to think of the sin* "

A: "Don't worry I will tell you what your sin is, you have just lied by saying that you have not sinned, when the bible says we ALL are sinners!, and no one is perfect".

B: "Well honestly I think that's a little bit unfair, I really can't think of when I sinned this past week, if I had I would have confessed it to God by now anyway".

A: "You need to repent of your prideful attitude and lying".

B: " God has been good to me and I've enjoyed His presence every moment of the day and night, so much so that I haven't even thought about sin this past week let alone do it".

A: "I don't believe you. You must have sinned. It is impossible not to sin. Please leave our group!!"

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear MahogonySnail,

I am bewildered by your theological treatise.....However, there was only one Man that lived a sinless life, and I don't think I need to mention his Name.........do I ? We are Saints who sin, not sinners saved by grace, search the Word in the Greek or Aramaic, there is no reference to such a term.
Paul was a Saint who sinned also. As I said, in the beginning statement, there was only one that didn't sin, JESUS...............PERIOD.

Your pride in your knowledge of the Scripture simply indicates your statement of sinlessless is bogus at best, and sinful at worst.......Not to mention the attitude in which you portray this knowledge.............Which quite honestly is less than respectful, honorable, or loving......and definately haughty!
Where is CHRIST in you my friend........? HE is LORD, but does not EVER LORD IT OVER individuals in this LEGAL sounding manner as you are doing.....

LOVE IS PATIENT, KIND .............Please go and read this, it's in 1 CORINTHIANS 13-


As I am writing this The Spirit of the LORD has said to me, to mention a very particular Scripture that addresses such issues, and has, quite honestly, since it was written...............

1 CORINTHIANS 3:18-20- Let no man decieve himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with GOD, For it is written, HE taketh (catches) the wise in their own craftiness.......And again, The LORD knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are in vain......

And in response to you rather abrupt, virtually rude responses to me and others.............I am reminded again by The LORD of another Scripture.......
You may have heard this one as well........READ IT CAREFULLY, SLOWLY.........

1 TIMOTHY 6:3 And if anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and with doctrine conforming to GODLINESS.......He is conceited and understands nothing, but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of depraved mind, and depraved of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. (DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR QUESTION TO ME IN THE POST hey who's stealing my stuff....how can I get lots of money......?

Does this ring a bell......? Brother, just as I have said to others that vehemently disagree with me on what I share here on CC..........It's fine to disagree with someone, providing it's done in a respecful manner, which some seem to have a real problem with. This to me sounds like a child's game of who can throw a rock farther than who......? My friend, I don't know you really at all, except our brief interactions on this site, yet, it seems like you are angry a lot, just reading the responses you have made to me. I havn't read your responses to others really, except here on this thread......

I am praying for you my friend............

SeekinHIM

 

[MahogonySnail]

So we have to sin because SeekinHim says we do. Sorry I disagree. Let me start at the basics: sin is bad, not sinning is good. A person doesn't have to sin, just so that they will agree with your doctrine.

However, there was only one Man that lived a sinless life

Of course. Now which part of "being like Christ" you think does not involve sinlessness?

 

[MahogonySnail]

ahh I see now. It's a sin to be angry. It's a sin to say that you haven't sinned. It's a sin to disagree or dispute your doctrine. Thank you for making that clear to me. You are not above correction either brother.

Paul was a Saint who sinned also.

If a saint sins, then he is a sinner , and not a saint. I hope you see the absurdity in your statements.

 

[SeekinHIM]

Just your attitude right there, is borderline accusatory Bro, .............ooo be careful, you might slip......And that Scripture you are quoting in 1 JOHN Is definately about sinning, because if it were not, then why should we CONFESS OUR SINS, ONE TO ANOTHER...........WHAT SINS, ACCORDING TO YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.............SOUNDS EXTREMEMLY DEMONIC, VIRTUALLY NEW AGE.........WALK SOFTLY MY FRIEND......

You do remember what the Word says about haughtiness don't you......? I'll let you do a Word search on this one......

My friend, if we were all sinless right after Salvation, then why not just go home to be with the LORD immediately, then as people see us leaving suddenly, abruptly, then they too would get saved, and whoooosh they would be gone also........This sounds like there's some serious infiltration of New Age (we are Gods) WE DON'T SIN ANYMORE......KIND OF TEACHING....VERY SCARY MY FRIEND.....

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU THOUGH, AND BELIEVING THE LORD WILL STRAIGHTEN OUT YOUR THEOLOGY, AND UNDERSTANDING OF FLESH, SIN ISSUES EVEN AFTER SALVATION FOR ALL OF US..........IT'S CALLED SANCTIFICATION..........WHICH IS A PROCESS NOT IMMEDIATE.

SeekinHIM

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

So we have to sin because SeekinHim says we do. Sorry I disagree. Let me start at the basics: sin is bad, not sinning is good. A person doesn't have to sin, just so that they will agree with your doctrine.




Of course. Now which part of "being like Christ" you think does not involve sinlessness?

Being like Christ and being Christ are totally different . Christ doesn't sin, WE do. We do everyday whether you'd like to admit that or not. It could be as something as little as brushing off a hurting friend, lusting after someone, ignoring your parents, ignoring God, whatever. Paul isn't Christ. Paul didn't become Christ when he became an apostle, Paul sinned and he needed a Savior to pray for forgiveness which I'm sure he did everyday.

 

[MahogonySnail]

By the way, any doctrine which says we can be both sinner and saint, is not a doctrine comforming to Godliness.

 

[MahogonySnail]

We do everyday whether you'd like to admit that or not.

That's not true. You would call others of sinning who have not?

It could be as something as little as brushing off a hurting friend, lusting after someone, ignoring your parents, ignoring God, whatever.

hmm, brushing your teeth with sideways motions instead of circular? We can always think up sins, but honestly, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

That's not true. You would call others of sinning who have not?



hmm, brushing your teeth with sideways motions instead of circular? We can always think up sins, but honestly, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.

Oh right, I forgot because we all turn into Jesus Christ after we're saved. My beards coming in nicely. Sorry if that sounded like me mocking you.

I see you're impervious to correction. Good luck with that.

 

[QuestionTime]

Greetings Dread!

I am going to take the time and effort to explain this to you as clearly as possible, because this is extremely important.

I really dont understand this reasoning. Are you saying that if you are a spirit filled apostle you no longer struggle with sin? Maybe not to the extremes you are saying, but even the apostle Peter cursed when he was asked if he knew Jesus.

What we are saying is that a mature believer - filled with the Holy Spirit - will walk according to God's commandments because the Spirit leads him/her and s/he can do no other.

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

The scriptures above Dread, are God's promise to man-kind of complete victory over sin. Those promises were fulfilled in the Apostles and can be fulfilled in us also.

No educated person can claim that someone can have both the Romans 7 experience and the Ezekiel 36 experience at the same time. Either you walk in God's statutes or you want to, but fail to do so. The two passages of scripture cannot be true simultaneously.

The comforting thing about Paul is that he's no more holy than anyone else. He's just a man, and men stuggle with sin no matter how "seasoned" they are. Show me a holy, ministering, mature, God-fearing man who claims to never struggle with sin...and I'll show you a liar.

Dread, please answer me this one thing. Before the Holy Spirit came, how did the Apostles react to persecution? When Jesus was killed they all ran away in fear, and denied his name. Peter even swore as you mentioned previously.

Now Dread, how did the Apostles react after they were filled with the Holy Spirit? They spoke boldly in the temple and fearlessly preached before Emperors. They had a power given to them by the Holy Spirit that removed all fear and sin. St. John says that whoever fears has not been made perfect in love. These saints were made perfect in love Dread.

Tell me Dread, can someone who has been made perfect in love sin? Sin is the absence of love, and perfect love for God, with the whole heart, soul, strength and mind does not permit sin.

17Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

What St. John is saying is that in order to stand in front of God unashamed, we need to have our love made perfect. Notice what St. John says: "because as He is, so are we in this world." That is a very bold statement by John, to say that he is just like Jesus. Either John is a blasphemer or he was actually in a spiritual state that was equal to Jesus.

He then says there is no fear in love because fear has to do with judgment. If we have been forgiven of all of our sins and walk in perfect holiness before God, we will have no fear of His judgment, correct?

I think Paul is being honest. He sins because at the time he likes it then hates it then does it again like a vicious cycle. The last verse in the chapter says "25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

That is a wonderful scripture that tells us Paul found the answer to his struggles. The Bible doesn't leave him in the Romans 7 state. He says who will rescue me? And then he gives thanks to God.

Also please don't believe that his mind and body can act contrary to one another so that in Paul's mind he can be praying to God while his body is connected to a prostitute. Clearly that is not what he is saying. There are other scriptures that say that our bodies are dead because of sin. I believe this is what he means in verse 25.

Yes to die to your old self and become a new creature in Christ can mean a sudden change in character (not killing Christians for example) but you cant say that you dont struggle with sin there on in. Just because Paul struggled with sin doesnt mean that his credibilty is ruined! He's not Jesus you know, just another sinner that God worked with. THATS why we have the NT, its perfect because of Christ not Paul.

We very well can say this Dread, based on the scriptures I have presented and upon the testimony of many thousands of Christians. The truth is Dread that these teachings were once well known in Christianity during the 1700's through until about the 1930's. After that time Calvinism and it's twisted theology of a life-long struggle with sin became popular, which is why we live in such a powerless church age.

John Wesley, General Booth, Keith Green, Leonard Ravenhill and many other great preachers of old claim to have had an experience called "The Second Blessing." Others have called it "Christian Perfection" or "Heart Cleansing." Many Christians - especially Calvinists - have the same experience of course but they call it something else, like experiencing revival.

Look at this wonderful promise God made to you Dread: 2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Peter is saying that we have been given great and precious promises - probably referring to Ezekiel 36 - that by those promises we can become partakers of the divine nature. Once we are partakers of the divine nature we are what St. John said: "As Jesus is, so are we in this world."

Peter says that when we are made partakers of the divine nature, we will escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. Clearly the man in Romans 7 had not yet escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Take care!

Quest

 

[MahogonySnail]

Just your attitude right there, is borderline accusatory Bro, .............ooo be careful, you might slip......And that Scripture you are quoting in 1 JOHN Is definately about sinning, because if it were not, then why should we CONFESS OUR SINS, ONE TO ANOTHER...........WHAT SINS, ACCORDING TO YOU WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE.............SOUNDS EXTREMEMLY DEMONIC, VIRTUALLY NEW AGE.........WALK SOFTLY MY FRIEND......

"Virtually rude". "Borderline accusatory". Really I think you are just making up things to say and accusations as you go along. Sinlessness is extremely demonic, new age? Now we are seeing your true colors my friend. Perhaps you are a little too close minded to evaluate other peoples views, which are by the way, backed up by sound theological cases (in my posts at least) .

As I said, and consult any good bible commentary about this, 1 John is about people who don't confess their sins but need to. If you don't need to confess then don't. But don't tell others they are sinners when they may be the holiest person you ever met. Sorry that they don't fit your preconceived idea of what a christian should be - "stand up fall down say sorry"," stand up fall down say sorry". I applaud those who live in victory and go from one day to the next without sinning. That is how we all should be.

You do remember what the Word says about haughtiness don't you......? I'll let you do a Word search on this one......

I also know what it says about judging others. God would judge your heart before he judges mine.

My friend, if we were all sinless right after Salvation, then why not just go home to be with the LORD immediately, then as people see us leaving suddenly, abruptly, then they too would get saved, and whoooosh they would be gone also........This sounds like there's some serious infiltration of New Age (we are Gods) WE DON'T SIN ANYMORE......KIND OF TEACHING....VERY SCARY MY FRIEND.....

Some people , but not me, do think God takes them home right before they can commit worse sins. I'm just saying.

I AM PRAYING FOR YOU THOUGH, AND BELIEVING THE LORD WILL STRAIGHTEN OUT YOUR THEOLOGY, AND UNDERSTANDING OF FLESH, SIN ISSUES EVEN AFTER SALVATION FOR ALL OF US..........IT'S CALLED SANCTIFICATION..........WHICH IS A PROCESS NOT IMMEDIATE.

There you go again. Assuming that your doctrine could never be wrong. Why on earth do you post on here then if you don't wish people to discuss it?

Heb 10:14:
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

"are sanctified" there is present tense. Sanctification is ceremonially cleansing and this occurs with justification.

What does baptism mean for your if you think we can get up out of baptism and then go right back into sinning?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Oh right, I forgot because we all turn into Jesus Christ after we're saved. My beards coming in nicely. Sorry if that sounded like me mocking you.

I see you're impervious to correction. Good luck with that.

I like it, it's something I would say, nice and sarcastic. I'm impervious to correction from people who are wrong . But if you like you can pray for me so that God will change my mind to your point of view, like SeekinHim will do. But really, if Jesus was sinless, and if we are to be like Jesus Christ, then shouldn't we also be sinless? In Christ you have the full arsenal of God at your disposal for powerful, victorious and sin free living. He died for it. When we say we CAN'T be free of sin, we need to evaluate our hearts to ask , do we really WANT to be free from it?

 

[QuestionTime]

Heb 10:14:
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Another excellent verse for us that describes God's promise of total victory over sin! This is exactly equal to what St. John said about being just like Jesus "IS." Not like Jesus was - when He was on earth - but just like Jesus IS.

The poor fellow in Romans 7 has certainly not been "perfected for ever."

Quest

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear ZEPPELIN,

I JUST READ ABOUT THAT NEW " DEW" YOUR SPORTING............HAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAAAAA OH MY GOSH.....

I FELL OFF MY CHAIR WHEN I READ THAT...........IT'S ESPECIALLY FUNNY TO ME BECAUSE I DO HAVE A BEARD. HHAHAHHAHAAAA....

I'm just cracking up here...............THANKS SO MUCH ........I JUST HAD A SERIOUS INFUSION OF SERATONIN FROM FALLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING............WOW THANK YOU SO MUCH, I JUST LOVE HOW GOD SO INTERJECTS HIS HUMOR THROUGH A BROTHER OR SISTER AT THE PERFECT MOMENT.......I HAVE TO SAY YOU ARE QUITE ATTRACTIVE IN YOUR PICTURES.......UM, PLEASE UPDATE IT SO I CAN SEE THE BEARD PLEASE...............

SeekinHIM