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Tinkerbell was right, the law has not been done away.
And the law states if we do not confirm and obey ever word written, that we are under a curse.
So if we can not fulfill the law. And it still stands, Does that not tell us that unless we have obeyed every word, we are still under a curse.. and that only perfection, (which I assume we all agree we can not be) or redemption can remove that curse?
And the law states if we do not confirm and obey ever word written, that we are under a curse.
So if we can not fulfill the law. And it still stands, Does that not tell us that unless we have obeyed every word, we are still under a curse.. and that only perfection, (which I assume we all agree we can not be) or redemption can remove that curse?
Our righteousness is as filthy rags in comparison to God's perfect righteousness. The D.I.Y. self-righteousness man must live by his own righteousness just as Ezekiel talks about. Ezekiel is talking about a person's own righteousness based on the keeping of the law - which is not of faith. It is based entirely on what they do or don't do.
Ezekiel 18:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But when a righteous man turns away from hisrighteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
But Paul talks about the righteousness of God in Christ which is not according to what one does or doesn't do - it's based on the work of Christ alone and we have that righteousness "credited" to us because of grace through faith alone. This is a major stumbling block to the works-righteousness mindset.
Philippians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
True biblical New Covenant righteousness is based entirely on grace through faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and in His resurrection. This is a major stumbling block to the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindset which actually denies the very grace of God which is needed to live by the faith of Christ in this life.
It is in believing the gospel of the grace of God and that we have Christ's righteousness which is why there is such a division between the works-based believers and the grace believers in righteousness by grace through faith alone.
This is why they are really attacking the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work - because righteousness by grace through faith is a stumbling block to them.
Ezekiel 18:24 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "But when a righteous man turns away from hisrighteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
But Paul talks about the righteousness of God in Christ which is not according to what one does or doesn't do - it's based on the work of Christ alone and we have that righteousness "credited" to us because of grace through faith alone. This is a major stumbling block to the works-righteousness mindset.
Philippians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
True biblical New Covenant righteousness is based entirely on grace through faith in Christ's finished work on the cross and in His resurrection. This is a major stumbling block to the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness humanistic mindset which actually denies the very grace of God which is needed to live by the faith of Christ in this life.
It is in believing the gospel of the grace of God and that we have Christ's righteousness which is why there is such a division between the works-based believers and the grace believers in righteousness by grace through faith alone.
This is why they are really attacking the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work - because righteousness by grace through faith is a stumbling block to them.
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Jesus was perfect.. But yes we should strive to live as he did. (Your again speaking of what one should do after salvation, I am asking what we must do to keep ourself saved)
So again, What keeps us saved if we can not be perfect..
Do we look to God to see what the standard is or other people?
does not the law still condemn those who are not perfect? (as you said, the law was not done away with)
So again, What keeps us saved if we can not be perfect..
Do we look to God to see what the standard is or other people?
does not the law still condemn those who are not perfect? (as you said, the law was not done away with)
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ok..
1. The law says you are a sinner, and under a curse unless you are perfect.
2. The law says you are disobedient, if you disobey it (james says if we break even the least of all, we are guilty of all) and the penalty for being guilty is death.
3. That leaves us with Faith and Grace,,
so what should this tell us?
1. The law says you are a sinner, and under a curse unless you are perfect.
2. The law says you are disobedient, if you disobey it (james says if we break even the least of all, we are guilty of all) and the penalty for being guilty is death.
3. That leaves us with Faith and Grace,,
so what should this tell us?
The moral laws,and laws of love,has not passed away,and cannot ever pass away,for the two greatest commandments is love God,and love people,which apply in the New Testament,and love is the fulfilling of the law,and Jesus said,a new commandment I give you,that you love one another as I have loved you,and to abstain from works of the flesh,for those who do not shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said we do not void out the law,but we establish it,live up to it,and the law is spiritual,and when we receive the Spirit we are spiritual,therefore we have to obey the spiritual laws,love God,and love people,and the moral laws,and it is required that we do,for whoever does not shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the Old Testament they could not live up to the spiritual laws not having the Spirit,but in the New Testament we can live up to the law by the Spirit,and there is no excuse,and we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,for those laws did pass away.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
A Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,and not the flesh,therefore they are not under the law,for their sins are forgiven,and they are abstaining from sin,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Every time a saint engages in sin,or lives in sin,they are back under the law,for they are not being led of the Spirit,but of the flesh doing a work of the flesh,until they repent of their sins,and mean it,and not hold unto it,and God knows the heart,then they are back not under the law.
For a Spirit led life is not under the law,not a person that confesses Christ,but holds unto sin,and does a work of the flesh,and says we are only human so we cannot abstain from sin,when God said,a Spirit led life can abstain from sin.
This does not mean that a person might not sin,for we still have the possibility to sin if we desire to sin,but if we allow the Spirit to lead us not wanting to sin,we can abstain from sin,for we are doing the works of the Spirit,and not the flesh,and there is no excuse for God said He poured out His Spirit unto all flesh,which means the Spirit is available to all who accept the truth.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
If a person holds unto sin,they have erred from the truth,has to be converted,which means give up the sin,and their soul is in danger while they hold unto that sin.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul said we do not void out the law,but we establish it,live up to it,and the law is spiritual,and when we receive the Spirit we are spiritual,therefore we have to obey the spiritual laws,love God,and love people,and the moral laws,and it is required that we do,for whoever does not shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the Old Testament they could not live up to the spiritual laws not having the Spirit,but in the New Testament we can live up to the law by the Spirit,and there is no excuse,and we do not have to obey the physical ordinances of Israel,for those laws did pass away.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
A Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,and not the flesh,therefore they are not under the law,for their sins are forgiven,and they are abstaining from sin,therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
Every time a saint engages in sin,or lives in sin,they are back under the law,for they are not being led of the Spirit,but of the flesh doing a work of the flesh,until they repent of their sins,and mean it,and not hold unto it,and God knows the heart,then they are back not under the law.
For a Spirit led life is not under the law,not a person that confesses Christ,but holds unto sin,and does a work of the flesh,and says we are only human so we cannot abstain from sin,when God said,a Spirit led life can abstain from sin.
This does not mean that a person might not sin,for we still have the possibility to sin if we desire to sin,but if we allow the Spirit to lead us not wanting to sin,we can abstain from sin,for we are doing the works of the Spirit,and not the flesh,and there is no excuse for God said He poured out His Spirit unto all flesh,which means the Spirit is available to all who accept the truth.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
If a person holds unto sin,they have erred from the truth,has to be converted,which means give up the sin,and their soul is in danger while they hold unto that sin.
I love that verse.
1 John 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6[/SUP] the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
How did Jesus walk? By complete dependence on the Father inside of Him to manifest His life. Jesus said that He could do nothing from His own initiative but it was the Father in Him doing the works.
We too live by complete dependence on the life of Christ inside of us with Him bearing His fruit on us the branches. Without Him we can do nothing. So, to walk as Jesus walk means to live dependent on Christ inside of us living in and through us.
Galatians 2:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
True New Covenant Christian living is not trying to mimic Christ but it's Christ Himself living in and through us manifesting His life of grace and love to those that need to know His true nature and love for them.
1 John 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6[/SUP] the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
How did Jesus walk? By complete dependence on the Father inside of Him to manifest His life. Jesus said that He could do nothing from His own initiative but it was the Father in Him doing the works.
We too live by complete dependence on the life of Christ inside of us with Him bearing His fruit on us the branches. Without Him we can do nothing. So, to walk as Jesus walk means to live dependent on Christ inside of us living in and through us.
Galatians 2:19-20 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
True New Covenant Christian living is not trying to mimic Christ but it's Christ Himself living in and through us manifesting His life of grace and love to those that need to know His true nature and love for them.
EG you talk as if you are the authority.
What law are you talking about? The law of Moses or the law of Christ?
And when you sin, which law are you breaking so that you know what sin is?
And if after coming to faith you fall away, how is this rebellion not counted against you?
Why because of faith morality no longer actually applies?
And when I walk in the Spirit, if I sin, I have a way of being cleansed through
repentance, confession and faith in the forgiveness offered through the cross.
What is always preeminent is faith?
But faith can fail, as Jesus prayed that it did not for Peter when he denied Christ
3 times.
And why if there is not law over you do you feel so concerned about sin?
What law are you talking about? The law of Moses or the law of Christ?
And when you sin, which law are you breaking so that you know what sin is?
And if after coming to faith you fall away, how is this rebellion not counted against you?
Why because of faith morality no longer actually applies?
And when I walk in the Spirit, if I sin, I have a way of being cleansed through
repentance, confession and faith in the forgiveness offered through the cross.
What is always preeminent is faith?
But faith can fail, as Jesus prayed that it did not for Peter when he denied Christ
3 times.
And why if there is not law over you do you feel so concerned about sin?
