Galatian Conundrums

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Where is Peter preaching the law in Acts 3?
He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
 

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Acts 10:28-29, " 28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean. 29 So when I was sent for, I came without objection. I ask then why you sent for me.”

Luke 16:16-17, " 16 “The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it. 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.
 

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He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
Peters message to the Jews:
Act 3:22-26 KJV
(22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

(23) And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Those who reject the teaching of Jesus will be destroyed.

(24) Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
(25) Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
(26) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Jesus saves us from the bondage of the law which Jesus ended. It is this law of Moses that binds us with the chains of our iniquities.
 

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He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
Yes, it would be silly indeed to still follow the Law of Moses when they have been set free from the law and the sins of those who accept Jesus as their saviour forgiven.
 
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Peters message to the Jews:
Act 3:22-26 KJV
(22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

(23) And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Those who reject the teaching of Jesus will be destroyed.

(24) Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
(25) Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
(26) Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Jesus saves us from the bondage of the law which Jesus ended. It is this law of Moses that binds us with the chains of our iniquities.
You are adding your commentary into Peter's preaching, without even realizing it?
 
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Yes, it would be silly indeed to still follow the Law of Moses when they have been set free from the law and the sins of those who accept Jesus as their saviour forgiven.
No, the Jews would have stoned Peter on the spot, if he were to preach that the Law of Moses was no longer required for them, at anytime during Acts.

The Law of Moses was always required for the Jews throughout Acts, even as late as Acts 21:20-21.
 

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No, the Jews would have stoned Peter on the spot, if he were to preach that the Law of Moses was no longer required for them, at anytime during Acts.

The Law of Moses was always required for the Jews throughout Acts, even as late as Acts 21:20-21.
Not so, and in the end it was this Jewish prejudice that killed all the apostles. So instead of condemning the law outright and being killed, they pointed to Jesus and showed them a better way.

And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God: (Act 3:8-9 KJV)
 
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Not so, and in the end it was this Jewish prejudice that killed all the apostles. So instead of condemning the law outright and being killed, they pointed to Jesus and showed them a better way.

And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God: (Act 3:8-9 KJV)
The way you use scripture to back up your points made is really awesome!
 

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No, the Jews would have stoned Peter on the spot, if he were to preach that the Law of Moses was no longer required for them, at anytime during Acts.

The Law of Moses was always required for the Jews throughout Acts, even as late as Acts 21:20-21.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

This is Peter. Telling Jews. That Salvation is by the Lord Jesus and not by any other means.


Peter doesn't know yet, it would appear, that the Old Covenant was abolished in Christ.

He only knows that Salvation is in Christ. And it is not in Moses, as of Acts 3-4.


By Acts 15 Peter is telling Jews that they shouldn't attempt to put a yoke on the Gentiles that they, and all Jews, can't bear.

So after God revealing what He did to Peter in Acts 10, Peter knew it was over.
 
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Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

This is Peter. Telling Jews. That Salvation is by the Lord Jesus and not by any other means.


Peter doesn't know yet, it would appear, that the Old Covenant was abolished in Christ.

He only knows that Salvation is in Christ. And it is not in Moses, as of Acts 3-4.


By Acts 15 Peter is telling Jews that they shouldn't attempt to put a yoke on the Gentiles that they, and all Jews, can't bear.

So after God revealing what He did to Peter in Acts 10, Peter knew it was over.
I already stated He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
 

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I already stated He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
Its a different thing to say you have to and to say it is not forbidden.

Peter didn't know what a stumbling block that Judaism is until a little bit later.
 
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I already stated He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
Man,i bet that was a struggle to say the gospel (messiah)was preached by peter.

Even though you think he never knew Jesus died and resurrected for our sins.
 
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I already stated He is preaching to the Jews only at Acts 3. They were always under the Law of Moses then.

It will be redundant and silly for him to add "Oh by the way, you still have to follow the Law of Moses even after you believe in Jesus as your promised Messiah" :LOL:
Hey i thought of a cunning reply you can use for paul preaching the kingdom.
You can say something like " oh,well yeah,he preached the gospel of the kingdom to the Jews only."

Will work well for anyone unsuspecting you twisted it!!
 

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Jesus sent all His disciple to the gentiles including Peter:

Matthew 24:14, “And this Good News of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come.”

Acts 1:6-8, " 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

Luke 24:44-49, “44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."



Only Paul says differnt and everyone siddes with Paul not Jesus:

Galatians 2:7-8, “In fact, they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel for the circumcised. For the one who worked through Peter by making him an apostle to the circumcised also worked through me by sending me to the Gentiles.”
Nevertheless Peters ministry began with the Jews. Not that it makes any difference . There is a beginning for the apostles ministry and there was an end. Things changed. My point is that Peter had his problems in His beginning. All the apostles had to feel their own way in their ministry. Remember it was only Paul who received a complete revelation of the Church and its destiny.
 

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Nevertheless Peters ministry began with the Jews. Not that it makes any difference . There is a beginning for the apostles ministry and there was an end. Things changed. My point is that Peter had his problems in His beginning. All the apostles had to feel their own way in their ministry. Remember it was only Paul who received a complete revelation of the Church and its destiny.
SO the 12 disciples chosen by Jesus did not know the "whole" truth only Paul? What about Jesus did He know the "whole" truth?
 
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So after God revealing what He did to Peter in Acts 10, Peter knew it was over.
Yes, as I have told Rick previously in this thread, Peter did not realize the Law was over until after God in Acts 10 started to save Gentiles independent of Law and circumcision.

So if you agree with this, again, this showed that what Peter preached in Acts 3-4 cannot be the same gospel of grace given to Paul.

But I know you are going to stick to your guns here so let us agree to disagree.
 

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Yes, as I have told Rick previously in this thread, Peter did not realize the Law was over until after God in Acts 10 started to save Gentiles independent of Law and circumcision.

So if you agree with this, again, this showed that what Peter preached in Acts 3-4 cannot be the same gospel of grace given to Paul.

But I know you are going to stick to your guns here so let us agree to disagree.
Yes, I do disagree, I respect your view though.

So do you believe in following Jesus teachings or Pauls teachings?

and how do you view:

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”
 
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Yes, I do disagree, I respect your view though.

So do you believe in following Jesus teachings or Pauls teachings?

and how do you view:

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away.”
I was actually directing that to Grandpa.

Since you also believe that Jesus and Paul preach different gospels, I don't see how you can disagree with that.