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Cruisyazz

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Teach a people "if it feels good, do it", while messing with their DNA, is a cocktail for massive sinful behavior. The world has the power to make people sin now, not just promote it. The liberal church accepts such behavior..... it fits perfectly with NWO agenda.

Wake up church..... Satan has more tools in his arsenal now.
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We probable have a perverted, worldly bread idea on what actually 'feels good' anyway... Now that is deep, lol
 
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thanks on your reply, but what is your opinion when these gays says, that it is not their fault. That since birth they already have the heart of a woman. that whatever they do they cannot love a girl but only a guy like them. is it really possible that since birth they are already not straight?
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A lot of people are going to disagree with me on this probably, but I believe it is possible to be born having feelings of the same sex. If you look at ALL of the homosexuals of the world, to say EVERY SINGLE ONE is gay because of environmental factors is a bit of reach. Not every single gay is raped as a young child or anything like that. Having said that, a gay person doesn't have to act out on his/her feelings. It's like someone that struggles with alcoholism or pornography. The temptation is always there. But that doesn't mean you have to act out on them. God puts us through things to grow and help us get closer to Him. I believe people that day they are born gay are no different. God loves them just as much as He loves the alcoholic or pornoholic or even us on here, and they should be treated no differently.
 
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MARK 10:9.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good'.....
 
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Defending homosexuality is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality and is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. Homosexuality is SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.
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Why are you calling all homos liars. They might all be living in sin and some might even lie. but if one of them tells me that they cant remember ever having an attraction towards the opposite sex I am not going to judge that and tell them they are full of it. I am not making my statement based on scientific study but on what they tell me. . No one knows themselves better then themselves. Regardless of your theory or anyone else's it doesn't change the fact that some/most? gay people probably ended up that way just simply because their attraction happened to be towards the same sex. I could fairly confidently tell you they didn't chose that way just to piss you or god off. Perhaps they are doing that now though thanks to people like you.
 
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Why are you calling all homos liars. They might all be living in sin and some might even lie. but if one of them tells me that they cant remember ever having an attraction towards the opposite sex I am not going to judge that and tell them they are full of it. I am not making my statement based on scientific study but on what they tell me. . No one knows themselves better then themselves. Regardless of your theory or anyone else's it doesn't change the fact that some/most? gay people probably ended up that way just simply because their attraction happened to be towards the same sex. I could fairly confidently tell you they didn't chose that way just to piss you or god off. Perhaps they are doing that now though thanks to people like you.
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Why do homosexuals call God a liar? If they are claiming to be born gay, they are liars.
 
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oldhermit said:
Why do homosexuals call God a liar? If they are claiming to be born gay, they are liars.
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Some people don't even believe that a god exists. Or if they do many are not convinced that yours is the true one. All they see is a judgemental stance based on a belief structure that condemns them
 
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Cruisyazz said:
Some people don't even believe that a god exists. Or if they do many are not convinced that yours is the true one. All they see is a judgemental stance based on a belief structure that condemns them
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None of this makes one bit of difference. How man chooses to believe or respond to this dos not overturn what God has determined about it. God has told us under no uncertain terms how he regards this behavior and how he will respond to it. This is simply a non-negotiable contract.
 
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oldhermit said:
None of this makes one bit of difference. How man chooses to believe or respond to this dos not overturn what God has determined about it. God has told us under no uncertain terms how he regards this behavior and how he will respond to it. This is simply a non-negotiable contract.
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you are talking about sin, not gay hey???
 
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Cruisyazz said:
you are talking about sin, not gay hey???
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Homosexuality in all of its forms is sin and God will punish all who engage in the behavior and all who stand to defend that which God has condemned. You cannot down play this.
 
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Do not judge lest you be judged... is it something like that???

Does that mean you are condemned? I think you can only judge the sin in your own life, not others.
 
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Cruisyazz said:
Do not judge lest you be judged... is it something like that???

Does that mean you are condemned? I think you can only judge the sin in your own life, not others.
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You should not apply passage you do not understand. This is NOT a prohibition against judging. It is an admonishment to judge according to a righteous standard. At any rate, I am not the judge who has issued this decree on homosexuality. God is the judge who did that. I merely repeated the judgment that has already been handed down.
 
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Don't ya just love it when a person who proudly proclaims that they are gay instantly yells "YOU're JUDGING ME!" when someone else who does not support the gay lifestyle speaks their opinion? Suddenly, heterosexuals are under attack for being attracted to the opposite sex. Christians are snubbed for using God's WORD to defend an answer. I have been labelled 'homophobic" because I am so outspoken against same sex marriage. Oh well, JESUS CHRIST suffered so much more than I. I will get beyond the insults! lol
 
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This is a joke... Why does this wind me up so much???

I feel sorry for gay people because some Christians make it so much harder for them to see the love and grace that God has on offer! Law doesn't change people, it judges and condemns.
 
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Cruisyazz said:
This is a joke... Why does this wind me up so much???

I feel sorry for gay people because some Christians make it so much harder for them to see the love and grace that God has on offer! Law doesn't change people, it judges and condemns.
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I am not interested in sparing the feeling of people who have absolutely no regard for God or for the Word of God. You are correct however, the word of God does indeed condemn and this behavior, those who engage in it, and those who defend it are some of the things it condemns.
 
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oldhermit said:
Defending homosexuality is a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality and is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. Homosexuality is SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.
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I'm not defending it, but to say ALL homosexuals choose to be gay- whether it's through a social factor or not- is incorrect. I don't think EVERY SINGLE gay chooses to be ostracized from society. If you look at people such as alcoholics and food addicts, God created those people. The Bible talks about how wrong it is for those not to eat and drink in moderation, too. There are ways for alcoholics and food addicts to not delve into their addictions. So why should homosexuality be any different? Stuff happens during pregnancies. I think there are a few gays that yes, are born that way. Now does that mean they should act upon their feelings? Of course not. They're to turn to God and ask Him to deliver them through this, just like an alcoholic or a food addict is supposed to do. Homosexuals aren't different than any of us. We're to love them and encourage them to seek Christ.
 
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oldhermit said:
I am not interested in sparing the feeling of people who have absolutely no regard for God or for the Word of God. You are correct however, the word of God does indeed condemn and this behavior, those who engage in it, and those who defend it are some of the things it condemns.
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So I have learnt to save myself the argument with you next time.
I am glad to hear your judgement against me who has no regard for God or the Word of God. I feel His redemption power right now hallelujah.
 
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Cruisyazz said:
So I have learnt to save myself the argument with you next time.
I am glad to hear your judgement against me who has no regard for God or the Word of God. I feel His redemption power right now hallelujah.
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When one attempts to justify and defend that which God has definitively condemned that automatically places that individual at odds with God and with scripture, no matter how much that person may claim otherwise.
 
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jsr1221 said:
I'm not defending it, but to say ALL homosexuals choose to be gay- whether it's through a social factor or not- is incorrect. I don't think EVERY SINGLE gay chooses to be ostracized from society. If you look at people such as alcoholics and food addicts, God created those people. The Bible talks about how wrong it is for those not to eat and drink in moderation, too. There are ways for alcoholics and food addicts to not delve into their addictions. So why should homosexuality be any different? Stuff happens during pregnancies. I think there are a few gays that yes, are born that way. Now does that mean they should act upon their feelings? Of course not. They're to turn to God and ask Him to deliver them through this, just like an alcoholic or a food addict is supposed to do. Homosexuals aren't different than any of us. We're to love them and encourage them to seek Christ.
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Trying to use human experience to overturn a revealed representation of that experience simply will not do and practicing homosexuality in moderation does not make it less of a sin. Even IF it were possible to be born a homosexual, God has still condemned it. Homosexuality is not God's fault. Scripture is given to us as a set of behavioral constraints to teach us what sin is and instruct us on how to avoid sinful behavior, no matter what that behavior may be.
 
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oldhermit said:
When one attempts to justify and defend that which God has definitively condemned that automatically places that individual at odds with God and with scripture, no matter how much that person may claim otherwise.
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Pick up a bigger rock next time and knock me out so I don't have to hear the self righteous justifications for condemnation
 
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Cruisyazz said:
Pick up a bigger rock next time and knock me out so I don't have to hear the self righteous justifications for condemnation
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I am not saying these things to be mean. I am trying to help you see where your position on the matter has put you. We need to accept that which God accepts and condemn that which God has condemned. If we do not do this then we place ourselves in opposition to God.
 
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