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Mitspa

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Well a Christian is a broad term these day, it can mean almost anything. To Christians I am a non Christian but to life I am a Christian for the purpose it created me.
Wow ! what in the world does that mean...you are your own god?
 

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Well a Christian is a broad term these day, it can mean almost anything. To Christians I am a non Christian but to life I am a Christian for the purpose it created me.
Life created you? For what purpose..ultimately to die? for what purpose?
If you have not Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you should not usurp the name, 'christian'.
BTW, your profile says 'not christian'...so I'll go with your word.
 
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Cruisyazz

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You say the Church came up with marriage. Do you think it came about as a ritual or something they received from God since the beginning?
If it's simply a historic ritual, then sure it's subject to change by the Church and society, but if it was actually instituted by God then there's no changing it by the Churches or society.
Yeah I think the Church has taken what was ordained by God and made it their own. It falls under their business model.
My personal view point on it remains that gay be gay until God saves them. Straight be straight till God saves them. I could confidently say that a non-Christian straight person wont feel anywhere near as condemned for having sex outside of marriage than what a gay person would feel for being gay...
Cant you see how unbalanced, bias and law doctrinated the church can be and it does more damage than good
 
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Cruisyazz

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You know, God is a loving, gentle, tender, and merciful God. We have no trouble understanding this axium. What we sometimes refuse to see is that God is also a powerful, angry, and, vengeful God who pours out his wrath upon the ungodly and those who refuse to obey him. It is just important for the sinner - ANY sinner, to understand the whole character of God, not just those traits we find comforting and easy to accept.
You know if God was performing miracles, healing the sick, showing the wonders of his power and people still remained in their sinful ways I could understand His wrath coming out. He probably wants to preform all these miracles through his vessels but isn't for some reason. Why is a good question...? Is it because of his vessels and what we think we know about God? I think we know very little yet proclaim we know it all. Think outside the square a bit.
 
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Mitspa

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You know if God was performing miracles, healing the sick, showing the wonders of his power and people still remained in their sinful ways I could understand His wrath coming out. He probably wants to preform all these miracles through his vessels but isn't for some reason. Why is a good question...? Is it because of his vessels and what we think we know about God? I think we know very little yet proclaim we know it all. Think outside the square a bit.
So because "you" have not seen Gods power? Sin and sexual perversion is ok? No! it don't work that way.
 
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Yeah I think the Church has taken what was ordained by God and made it their own.
That's what YHWH requires of us in Christ Jesus.

Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 1 Corinthians 9:14

If we endorse the the Gospel, we are supposed to follow accordingly because, in the end, there is nothing else that is reliable from the commodity of masses, or any other such superstitious trumperies.
 

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Yeah I think the Church has taken what was ordained by God and made it their own. It falls under their business model.
My personal view point on it remains that gay be gay until God saves them. Straight be straight till God saves them. I could confidently say that a non-Christian straight person wont feel anywhere near as condemned for having sex outside of marriage than what a gay person would feel for being gay...
Cant you see how unbalanced, bias and law doctrinated the church can be and it does more damage than good
So you think the Church came up with the restriction that marriage is between one man and one woman?
 
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Yeah I think the Church has taken what was ordained by God and made it their own. It falls under their business model.
My personal view point on it remains that gay be gay until God saves them. Straight be straight till God saves them. I could confidently say that a non-Christian straight person wont feel anywhere near as condemned for having sex outside of marriage than what a gay person would feel for being gay...
Cant you see how unbalanced, bias and law doctrinated the church can be and it does more damage than good
It's strange..... I can't find for the life of me ANY adulterer who's held rallies for their sin, or beat up on preachers for preaching against it, & not a single one took a bakery to court & sued them. Come to think of it, they didn't get passed a single law that gives them majority status as a minority.

And you know what else? The govt. hasn't passes a single law for adulterers' rights even though there are more adulterers in govt than homosexuals.

BTW, it must be nice for you to not be a christian, yet claim it whenever it suits yer fancy to use it to give your posts clout.

Is it me, or is that attitude as idiotic & hypocritical as it sounds?
 
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Cruisyazz

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So because "you" have not seen Gods power? Sin and sexual perversion is ok? No! it don't work that way.
It was a valid comment to that guys comment. I don't think God's power is there exclusively for the believers to marvel over it.
 
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Cruisyazz

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So you think the Church came up with the restriction that marriage is between one man and one woman?
No, I don't think that. Do you think the church is honouring all things God ordained for the church?
 
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Tintin

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Am I for gay marriage? Heck, no! Do I hate gay people? Heck, no! Do I find many of them to be militant haters? Heck, yes! Do I love them, but disagree with their lifestyle? Heck, yes! I don't have to agree with someone to love them, but love makes way for God's truth. We shouldn't try to define love by anything other than God, the one who is Love.
 
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Cruisyazz

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It's strange..... I can't find for the life of me ANY adulterer who's held rallies for their sin, or beat up on preachers for preaching against it, & not a single one took a bakery to court & sued them. Come to think of it, they didn't get passed a single law that gives them majority status as a minority.

And you know what else? The govt. hasn't passes a single law for adulterers' rights even though there are more adulterers in govt than homosexuals.

BTW, it must be nice for you to not be a christian, yet claim it whenever it suits yer fancy to use it to give your posts clout.

Is it me, or is that attitude as idiotic & hypocritical as it sounds?
Strange you should find it because the church has never hammered or condemned adulterers as much as they have the gay person...

If a bearing isn't squeaky you don't give it oil. Think of the church as salt for the bearing. The reason they got squeaky.

I don't claim to be a Christian when it suits me. I did know him once, i draw on my past experience sometimes and I miss Him. I hated these condemning teaching then and I hate them now. Christians are constantly whining that Muslims are trying to infiltrate society and force their belief structure on us. You step back a second and you can see similarities with this very subject. Christians will gladly stand beside a non Christian in the fight against Muslims than step away and gang up on non Christians for allowing gay people to have their union together. Is that not doing the same thing?
 
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Cruisyazz

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Am I for gay marriage? Heck, no! Do I hate gay people? Heck, no! Do I find many of them to be militant haters? Heck, yes! Do I love them, but disagree with their lifestyle? Heck, yes! I don't have to agree with someone to love them, but love makes way for God's truth. We shouldn't try to define love by anything other than God, the one who is Love.
This is what Christians are taught to say. I think if that is really how they acted these types of discussions would never of gained so much conflict
 
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Mitspa

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This is what Christians are taught to say. I think if that is really how they acted these types of discussions would never of gained so much conflict
What do you mean "how they acted"? You mean trying to establish a moral society that does not promote sexual perversion?
 
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Tintin

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This is what Christians are taught to say. I think if that is really how they acted these types of discussions would never of gained so much conflict
Oh, really? Unfortunately for you, I'm not big on parroting, I'm big on critical thinking. Reason informed by revelation - that's the way to go. I know what it's like. Just the other week when the ruling passed I was raked over hot coals for not agreeing. I didn't say anything hateful, I just showed love. But I didn't agree with the lifestyle. For a non-Christian, you sure think you know a lot about Christendom.
 
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Cruisyazz

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What do you mean "how they acted"? You mean trying to establish a moral society that does not promote sexual perversion?
Yeah maybe that is exactly the problem. Is that what God wants Christians to do?
 
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Tintin

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This is what Christians are taught to say. I think if that is really how they acted these types of discussions would never of gained so much conflict
Besides, Christians aren't taught what to say, but how to think and reason and know what they believe and grow in relationship with Christ and each other. At least that's the way it should be.
 
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Mitspa

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Yeah maybe that is exactly the problem. Is that what God wants Christians to do?
Absolutely! God very much wants us all to live moral and upright lives.. why would you even doubt that?
 
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Cruisyazz

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Oh, really? Unfortunately for you, I'm not big on parroting, I'm big on critical thinking. Reason informed by revelation - that's the way to go. I know what it's like. Just the other week when the ruling passed I was raked over hot coals for not agreeing. I didn't say anything hateful, I just showed love. But I didn't agree with the lifestyle. For a non-Christian, you sure think you know a lot about Christendom.
You don't need to be a Christian to be raked over hot coals because of a belief structure, or colour, or race, or facial feature, or hair colour etc etc. Non Christians alike have to cop all types of crap too.
There is nothing wrong with what you believe yourself. Telling someone they are wrong because they believe something else is treading on some toes for real.
 
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Mitspa

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You don't need to be a Christian to be raked over hot coals because of a belief structure, or colour, or race, or facial feature, or hair colour etc etc. Non Christians alike have to cop all types of crap too.
There is nothing wrong with what you believe yourself. Telling someone they are wrong because they believe something else is treading on some toes for real.
Its called free speech...do only the evil have the right to speak and promote their evil?