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C
This might sound like a spun out question... Do you think the world is the way it is because God willed it like this or because the devil had it sussed the whole time and it is the way it is because that is the way the devil thought he could recruit the most amount of people? The western world kind of has a step in both camps. Christian values perverted with greed. Maybe we think these Christian values are worth fighting for kinda like dangling the carrot.
If it was the other way, communist like, oppressed and crappy. Do you reckon the calibre of Christians would be so much deeper stronger?
That is kind of how the church started with the government trying to kill them off but that just made them stronger. If you can't kill em join them and kill them from the inside.
If it was the other way, communist like, oppressed and crappy. Do you reckon the calibre of Christians would be so much deeper stronger?
That is kind of how the church started with the government trying to kill them off but that just made them stronger. If you can't kill em join them and kill them from the inside.
T
Yes, it's not just Christians that get raked over hot coals, but you may have noticed the world is decidedly becoming less friendly towards Christians, more so than anyone else. And the Western World is aborting its Judeo-Christian values that made up the foundations of its laws. Finally, the nature of God's truth is that it's offensive to our sinful humanity. So I'll speak the truth in love, but some toes will be trod on, and it's not because I'm a poor dancer.
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Well indeed it has been a hot topic of late.. 
I will state answers of my opinions on what I have concluded through my own research and study on homosexuality 1) Theologically 2) Philosophically, and 3) Biologically and 4) Experientially
1) Theologically, homosexuality is most definitely and certainly addressed in the bible. It is here, where we as Christians must always first and foremost base our lives and conduct upon, and look too for guidance and instruction upon any and every controversy we may encounter. Do not start with "well....you know, it just feels right" as a basis for why you should act a certain way or believe a certain way. Just because something feels right doesn't mean it is right and hence this is the very reason why the Word of God is the centre and measurement of all truth. We line our lives with what Gods Word says not with what our feelings are. Our feelings are flimsy and at times deceptive and can easily be manipulated and wooed a certain way, whereas the Word of God stands firm and is a solid foundation for the human soul to find rest.
When the bible speaks about homosexuality you will always find the term used in a negative affirmation within any given context. It is at most directly linked to the derogative term 'abomination' which has very strong synonyms used in the bible (Too strong even for CC to approve of). The examples of Sodom and Gomorrah renders the act of homosexuality within the city "worthy of Gods judgement" and "displeasing towards God", and the fact that it was a law in Leviticus for one to refrain from it, should be safe to say that in no way does God approve of homosexuality, therefore by necessity given his displeasure of it, must conclude that the OT alone speaks of it as if its a immoral act according to God.
Not only that but in Pauls letter to the Romans he addresses acts and the exchanging of natural uses for unnatural uses which given his identity as a Roman citizen and a learned Greek it wouldn't be uncommon for homosexuality to be prevalent amongst his day. He addresses it within a context of Pagan worship and giving up of ones body to false Gods, in worshiping the creature rather than the true Creator. Undoubtedly homosexuality would of displeased Paul as it was associated with Pagan worship and fleshly lusts. Of all people Paul would have enforced the law given in the OT and constantly be on guard to not do what the other nations did, as Israel was so accustom to doing.
Not only does the OT address it and the NT, but indirectly Jesus Christ himself addresses and emphasises a more better and more sacred understanding of sexuality. That is when he blesses the traditional institution of marriage between a man and a woman, husband and wife addressed in the garden account of Genesis. He assumes firstly that a man shall leave his MOTHER and FATHER. Okay. and secondly cling to his Wife. okay. It is not so much what Jesus said about marriage as much as it is Why Jesus mentioned marriage. He actually esteems the sacredness of marriage in which God the Father instituted between Male and Female. Herein lies the crucial element. Jesus affirms the instituting of marriage exclusively between male and female just as God the Father had done so from the beginning. Male and male, or female and female would not have Gods blessing as it does not meet the requirements of the institution by God himself. Therefore if it does not have Gods blessings upon it then it mustn't be of God but rather be a man centred and manufactured form of redefined marriage to which does not have its foundations upon Gods Word but rather mans or society's opinions. That is dangerous!
I will state answers of my opinions on what I have concluded through my own research and study on homosexuality 1) Theologically 2) Philosophically, and 3) Biologically and 4) Experientially1) Theologically, homosexuality is most definitely and certainly addressed in the bible. It is here, where we as Christians must always first and foremost base our lives and conduct upon, and look too for guidance and instruction upon any and every controversy we may encounter. Do not start with "well....you know, it just feels right" as a basis for why you should act a certain way or believe a certain way. Just because something feels right doesn't mean it is right and hence this is the very reason why the Word of God is the centre and measurement of all truth. We line our lives with what Gods Word says not with what our feelings are. Our feelings are flimsy and at times deceptive and can easily be manipulated and wooed a certain way, whereas the Word of God stands firm and is a solid foundation for the human soul to find rest.
When the bible speaks about homosexuality you will always find the term used in a negative affirmation within any given context. It is at most directly linked to the derogative term 'abomination' which has very strong synonyms used in the bible (Too strong even for CC to approve of). The examples of Sodom and Gomorrah renders the act of homosexuality within the city "worthy of Gods judgement" and "displeasing towards God", and the fact that it was a law in Leviticus for one to refrain from it, should be safe to say that in no way does God approve of homosexuality, therefore by necessity given his displeasure of it, must conclude that the OT alone speaks of it as if its a immoral act according to God.
Not only that but in Pauls letter to the Romans he addresses acts and the exchanging of natural uses for unnatural uses which given his identity as a Roman citizen and a learned Greek it wouldn't be uncommon for homosexuality to be prevalent amongst his day. He addresses it within a context of Pagan worship and giving up of ones body to false Gods, in worshiping the creature rather than the true Creator. Undoubtedly homosexuality would of displeased Paul as it was associated with Pagan worship and fleshly lusts. Of all people Paul would have enforced the law given in the OT and constantly be on guard to not do what the other nations did, as Israel was so accustom to doing.
Not only does the OT address it and the NT, but indirectly Jesus Christ himself addresses and emphasises a more better and more sacred understanding of sexuality. That is when he blesses the traditional institution of marriage between a man and a woman, husband and wife addressed in the garden account of Genesis. He assumes firstly that a man shall leave his MOTHER and FATHER. Okay. and secondly cling to his Wife. okay. It is not so much what Jesus said about marriage as much as it is Why Jesus mentioned marriage. He actually esteems the sacredness of marriage in which God the Father instituted between Male and Female. Herein lies the crucial element. Jesus affirms the instituting of marriage exclusively between male and female just as God the Father had done so from the beginning. Male and male, or female and female would not have Gods blessing as it does not meet the requirements of the institution by God himself. Therefore if it does not have Gods blessings upon it then it mustn't be of God but rather be a man centred and manufactured form of redefined marriage to which does not have its foundations upon Gods Word but rather mans or society's opinions. That is dangerous!
E
The Government makes their laws, changes their laws and even breaks their laws. I'm in this world not of it, so it does not affect me in any way. I live in the Law of GOD the Creator of Heaven and Earth where All Control and Authority is HIS. No earthly thing can change what HE has set in order.
Those who claim they were born this way must do as we all must do Seek GOD Repent be Born Again and set Free. They are not to set rules and laws to accept their sins. As it pains my heart I also understand and know we are living in the last days and they are as the days of Noah. Where only GOD's people will survive HIS Wrath. Choose this day who will you serve.
We all will have to overcome a sin from our past whether it be our own sinful self, what another has done or has not done. The only way to overcome is by way of JESUS CHRIST otherwise the flesh will overtake the spirit and one will be defeated. Those who choose to boldly sin are of their father the devil who goes against any and all that GOD has set in order. Be very wise in who side you take for there is only One winner and that is the One who Started all things. There is but One Master. The affects of Lot living in Sodom and Gommorah cause a great pain. The loss of his wife who looked back when commanded not to, the homosexuals fighting their way into his home to have the angels they thought were only men, Lot offering his daughters to the homosexuals, his daughters having sexual relations with their father, Lot's daughters getting him drunk, all his earthly possessions left behind and brought to ruin. There is a Great cost when rebelling against GOD.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Those who claim they were born this way must do as we all must do Seek GOD Repent be Born Again and set Free. They are not to set rules and laws to accept their sins. As it pains my heart I also understand and know we are living in the last days and they are as the days of Noah. Where only GOD's people will survive HIS Wrath. Choose this day who will you serve.
We all will have to overcome a sin from our past whether it be our own sinful self, what another has done or has not done. The only way to overcome is by way of JESUS CHRIST otherwise the flesh will overtake the spirit and one will be defeated. Those who choose to boldly sin are of their father the devil who goes against any and all that GOD has set in order. Be very wise in who side you take for there is only One winner and that is the One who Started all things. There is but One Master. The affects of Lot living in Sodom and Gommorah cause a great pain. The loss of his wife who looked back when commanded not to, the homosexuals fighting their way into his home to have the angels they thought were only men, Lot offering his daughters to the homosexuals, his daughters having sexual relations with their father, Lot's daughters getting him drunk, all his earthly possessions left behind and brought to ruin. There is a Great cost when rebelling against GOD.
Blessings!!!!!!!
2) Philosophically or Socially Ethically speaking homosexuality opens the door and pushes the line of moral and ethical boundaries, to where society now is deemed as the ultimate authority in terms of definitions and laws. Where does one stop pushing the limits? Who are we to judge a man who feels true love towards a cow? What are we to say to the man who rapes a married women and proclaims that he felt loved by her and emotionally attached to her? How say the man who advocates polygamy in the name of religion? Or the legalisation of multiple orgies in the name of love?
Simply put... Who defines truth??? Who defines terms??? Who defines Good??? Who defines Bad??? Who defines reality???
If man defines ultimately all truth then there can be no room for righteous judgement let alone accountability. For it would be wrong to do so as it would violate an individuals expression of truth.
Mankind becomes God and replaces God as the bearer of truth and light for mankind seeks in the name of freedom to serve mankind's lusts and desires above God. Its priority is upon the creaturely and worldly things more over God.
For mankind to ever survive as a race we must obey God. Not because Gods needs our obedience or we do it for his sake, but rather we do it for our sake because we need it. This means the boundaries and moral limitations God has given us through the revealed Word are not a bunch of rules that are old and predated but rather God has given us limitations and restrictions for OUR PROTECTION. Against Whom?? Against OURSELVES. Our own human race, our own flesh and blood.
hhmmmm...
When one Loves God he cannot hate the human race. For the Love of God gives you the ability to love the human race the way that God loves the human race. The keeping of the first commandment deposits you the ability to keep the second part of the commandment.
When one loves the human race but hates God, he does not love the human race. Because his love would not be of God but of SELF. and self seeks to destroy others to elevate YOU above.
Love of God = Love of Others
Love of Others - Love of God= Hate of others
I say this because homosexuals strongly proclaim love with one another and yet fail to give a comprehensive definition of love and the fine line between knowing what is love and knowing what is lust. For a homosexual to define love they cannot claim a biblical foundational definition of love and apply it to their lifestyle. For love in the bible is God himself and God himself would have to first approve of homosexuality, and if not then God cannot be their definition of love. If Gods Word doesn't approve, then homosexual love must come from SELF. and SELF is the problem in the first place not the solution. Whenever you start with self, your conclusions will always be inverted to your opinions, feelings, etc. Therefore love becomes in the eye of the beholder (which could be anything). God is Love, therefore God has full rights and God claims monopoly on how that should be expressed within mankind. We would do well to read Gods Word about what God LOVES and what God HATES. and stay away from that which God hates.
1) A breakdown an collapse of moral truths,
2) A re-defining of terms such as Love,
3) A shifting towards intolerance towards righteous judgement.
Society will so redefine terms that Society becomes the ultimate authority and answers for all controversies in matter. Conclusion, is that righteous judgement will be removed from a biblical foundation and substituted with 'doing what is right in their own eyes'. Any moral absolutes towards biblical foundations will be viewed as radical and a enemy towards mankind's evolution rather than the survival and protection that it brings. This in essence will not and should not be a surprise as the Bible speaks about the last days, and one of the characteristics of last days is the intolerance towards Christians. Calling that which is evil, good and that which is good, evil. You can only do that when a society has crushed the foundations of moral truths from the bible, and re-defined, re-invent, and replace terms to suit fallen mankind's flesh, lusts etc., in the name of freedom, with little understanding that the very mouth they scream "freedom" is the very heart that cries "bondage". Bondage to SELF AND ITS DESIRES, and freedom from God. I'm okay with separating church from state, but we re in great danger when we separate state from God.
Simply put... Who defines truth??? Who defines terms??? Who defines Good??? Who defines Bad??? Who defines reality???
If man defines ultimately all truth then there can be no room for righteous judgement let alone accountability. For it would be wrong to do so as it would violate an individuals expression of truth.
Mankind becomes God and replaces God as the bearer of truth and light for mankind seeks in the name of freedom to serve mankind's lusts and desires above God. Its priority is upon the creaturely and worldly things more over God.
For mankind to ever survive as a race we must obey God. Not because Gods needs our obedience or we do it for his sake, but rather we do it for our sake because we need it. This means the boundaries and moral limitations God has given us through the revealed Word are not a bunch of rules that are old and predated but rather God has given us limitations and restrictions for OUR PROTECTION. Against Whom?? Against OURSELVES. Our own human race, our own flesh and blood.
hhmmmm...
When one Loves God he cannot hate the human race. For the Love of God gives you the ability to love the human race the way that God loves the human race. The keeping of the first commandment deposits you the ability to keep the second part of the commandment.
When one loves the human race but hates God, he does not love the human race. Because his love would not be of God but of SELF. and self seeks to destroy others to elevate YOU above.
Love of God = Love of Others
Love of Others - Love of God= Hate of others
I say this because homosexuals strongly proclaim love with one another and yet fail to give a comprehensive definition of love and the fine line between knowing what is love and knowing what is lust. For a homosexual to define love they cannot claim a biblical foundational definition of love and apply it to their lifestyle. For love in the bible is God himself and God himself would have to first approve of homosexuality, and if not then God cannot be their definition of love. If Gods Word doesn't approve, then homosexual love must come from SELF. and SELF is the problem in the first place not the solution. Whenever you start with self, your conclusions will always be inverted to your opinions, feelings, etc. Therefore love becomes in the eye of the beholder (which could be anything). God is Love, therefore God has full rights and God claims monopoly on how that should be expressed within mankind. We would do well to read Gods Word about what God LOVES and what God HATES. and stay away from that which God hates.
1) A breakdown an collapse of moral truths,
2) A re-defining of terms such as Love,
3) A shifting towards intolerance towards righteous judgement.
Society will so redefine terms that Society becomes the ultimate authority and answers for all controversies in matter. Conclusion, is that righteous judgement will be removed from a biblical foundation and substituted with 'doing what is right in their own eyes'. Any moral absolutes towards biblical foundations will be viewed as radical and a enemy towards mankind's evolution rather than the survival and protection that it brings. This in essence will not and should not be a surprise as the Bible speaks about the last days, and one of the characteristics of last days is the intolerance towards Christians. Calling that which is evil, good and that which is good, evil. You can only do that when a society has crushed the foundations of moral truths from the bible, and re-defined, re-invent, and replace terms to suit fallen mankind's flesh, lusts etc., in the name of freedom, with little understanding that the very mouth they scream "freedom" is the very heart that cries "bondage". Bondage to SELF AND ITS DESIRES, and freedom from God. I'm okay with separating church from state, but we re in great danger when we separate state from God.
Here is a big part of the problem we are facing concerning marriage...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage
Here you have a Wiki article covering marriage, leaving out any reference to God or God's Word.
The public reads this and assumes marriage is solely a compact between individuals with society's stamp of approval.
This is nothing but secular swill reflecting a complete purge of any Judeo-Christian imput.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage
Here you have a Wiki article covering marriage, leaving out any reference to God or God's Word.
The public reads this and assumes marriage is solely a compact between individuals with society's stamp of approval.
This is nothing but secular swill reflecting a complete purge of any Judeo-Christian imput.
M
I Think God works on behalf of those who have real faith...and God works according to laws He has established...if we come into agreement with Him...we have His blessing and protection...if we walk in agreement with satan..we will reap from that agreement death and destruction.
As far as someone claiming to be a Christian...and not living in accordance with the divine Nature...that is very sad...but it does not silence or negate in any way those who are.
As far as someone claiming to be a Christian...and not living in accordance with the divine Nature...that is very sad...but it does not silence or negate in any way those who are.
Cruisyazz..you are barking up the wrong tree here. IT is not your mission in life to support same sex marriages or homosexuality. If you really cared about someone who professess they love anal sex and do the discusting things that homos do, then you are defending a lost cause. You can 'preach" this until you are blue in the face but in reality, you are wasting your time and energy. GOD does NOT honor gay people. GOD loves them and wants them to change, via HIS Holy Spirit, but, until they do....oh well......their eternal home will always be in the Smoking section of the subterranean accomodations prepared for those who choose their own destiny.
C
No you are right it isn't. Quite frankly I don't understand it how a gay person can be gay! Like a lot of things I don't understand in life.
what I try to do though is see things from other perspectives. I like barking up all types of trees to understand perspectives and i dont mind challenging these concepts if i don't understand them. I would challenge gay people the same way
what I try to do though is see things from other perspectives. I like barking up all types of trees to understand perspectives and i dont mind challenging these concepts if i don't understand them. I would challenge gay people the same way
3) Biologically..
This in my personal opinion I believe holds a degree of significance in the whole matter for it harmonises and seeks to sympathise with genuine struggles of the homosexual. Unfortunately the field of biology has not come to a complete conclusion with regards to homosexual behaviours and acts but none the less does have credence and input within the controversy.
I have done little research in the biological field of homosexuality and have come into encounter with Christians who are biologists and have willingly concluded that amongst the homosexual community, there is indeed a minority of homosexuals who are in fact biologically wired a different way. Again I emphasise a MINORITY! This is to say that some who genuinely struggles his or her whole life with this issue could possibly and I say possibly, be biologically disordered, and wired differently to which he/she has the identity crisis. This process that occurs within a person would of have to have it at a very young age, and would never really have questioned it until the time where social normalities and cultural stigmas influence the persons life (usually around teenage years). Again reinforced here is that amongst the biological field and community homosexuality would ,(and to some conclusively) be considered a disorder and therefore would not be violating at least any direct sinful act against God. This gives biological homosexuals the opportunity to live and integrate without fear of persecution and judgement for the science will make that evident.
Now I constantly want to reassure that when we are talking about homosexuality and homosexuals most and most are choosing the lifestyle for pure selfish and lustful reasons, which is the case most times, and that actually can be broadened beyond homosexuals themselves to well any group or in fact the whole human race for that matter. Sometimes even Christians choose lifestyles that are displeasing to God. But when we talk about those who really do struggle, and fit the category of biologically disordered then we mustn't be quick to assume that they are lying, and are covering up their undisguised lusts or passions. It could so happen to be that, that person actually is biologically disordered a different way that the normal human make and "status quo" is. Therefore we shouldn't judge at all personally a person who claims to be a homosexual for we do not have the luxury of seeing the heart, wherein God does.
In fact I believe homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is a sin, but I could and never will know the heart of the person going through with it, therefore we as Christians should reserve our judgements, and criticisms, against all homosexuals for the sake of the minority who are actually homosexual by disorder. Just preach the gospel as you would do to anyone!!!! Let God be the judge.
This in my personal opinion I believe holds a degree of significance in the whole matter for it harmonises and seeks to sympathise with genuine struggles of the homosexual. Unfortunately the field of biology has not come to a complete conclusion with regards to homosexual behaviours and acts but none the less does have credence and input within the controversy.
I have done little research in the biological field of homosexuality and have come into encounter with Christians who are biologists and have willingly concluded that amongst the homosexual community, there is indeed a minority of homosexuals who are in fact biologically wired a different way. Again I emphasise a MINORITY! This is to say that some who genuinely struggles his or her whole life with this issue could possibly and I say possibly, be biologically disordered, and wired differently to which he/she has the identity crisis. This process that occurs within a person would of have to have it at a very young age, and would never really have questioned it until the time where social normalities and cultural stigmas influence the persons life (usually around teenage years). Again reinforced here is that amongst the biological field and community homosexuality would ,(and to some conclusively) be considered a disorder and therefore would not be violating at least any direct sinful act against God. This gives biological homosexuals the opportunity to live and integrate without fear of persecution and judgement for the science will make that evident.
Now I constantly want to reassure that when we are talking about homosexuality and homosexuals most and most are choosing the lifestyle for pure selfish and lustful reasons, which is the case most times, and that actually can be broadened beyond homosexuals themselves to well any group or in fact the whole human race for that matter. Sometimes even Christians choose lifestyles that are displeasing to God. But when we talk about those who really do struggle, and fit the category of biologically disordered then we mustn't be quick to assume that they are lying, and are covering up their undisguised lusts or passions. It could so happen to be that, that person actually is biologically disordered a different way that the normal human make and "status quo" is. Therefore we shouldn't judge at all personally a person who claims to be a homosexual for we do not have the luxury of seeing the heart, wherein God does.
In fact I believe homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is a sin, but I could and never will know the heart of the person going through with it, therefore we as Christians should reserve our judgements, and criticisms, against all homosexuals for the sake of the minority who are actually homosexual by disorder. Just preach the gospel as you would do to anyone!!!! Let God be the judge.
It is certainly odd to me. If a man is a practicing homosexual, they are looking for a man with female attributes when it come to an intimate sexual encounter, and vise versa. If a woman is a practicing lesbian, they are looking for a woman with male attributes when it come to an intimate sexual encounter, and vise versa. Why not just get a woman that has male attributes for a homosexual man, and a man with female attributes for a lesbian woman? As I said "It is certainly odd to me."