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Katy-follower

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Question: "Is it possible to be a gay Christian?"

Answer:
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). There is a tendency to declare homosexuality as the worst of all sins. While it is undeniable, biblically speaking, that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural (Romans 1:26-27), in no sense does the Bible describe homosexuality as an unforgivable sin. Nor does the Bible teach that homosexuality is a sin Christians will never struggle against.

Perhaps that is the key phrase in the question of whether it is possible to be a gay Christian: “struggle against.” It is possible for a Christian to struggle with homosexual temptations. Many homosexuals who become Christians have ongoing struggles with homosexual feelings and desires. Some strongly heterosexual men and women have experienced a “spark” of homosexual interest at some point in their lives. Whether or not these desires and temptations exist does not determine whether a person is a Christian. The Bible is clear that no Christian is sinless (1 John 1:8,10). While the specific sin / temptation varies from one Christian to another, all Christians have struggles with sin, and all Christians sometimes fail in those struggles (1 Corinthians 10:13).

What differentiates a Christian’s life from a non-Christian’s life is the struggle against sin. The Christian life is a progressive journey of overcoming the “acts of the flesh” (Galatians 5:19-21) and allowing God’s Spirit to produce the “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5:22-23). Yes, Christians sin, sometimes horribly. Sadly, sometimes Christians are indistinguishable from non-Christians. However, a true Christian will always repent, will always eventually return to God, and will always resume the struggle against sin. But the Bible gives no support for the idea that a person who perpetually and unrepentantly engages in sin can indeed be a Christian. Notice 1 Corinthians 6:11, "And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 lists sins that, if indulged in continuously, identify a person as not being redeemed—not being a Christian. Often, homosexuality is singled out from this list. If a person struggles with homosexual temptations, that person is presumed to be unsaved. If a person actually engages in homosexual acts, that person is definitely thought to be unsaved. However, the same assumptions are not made, at least not with the same emphasis, regarding other sins in the list: fornication (pre-marital sex), idolatry, adultery, thievery, covetousness, alcoholism, slander, and deceit. It is inconsistent, for example, to declare those guilty of pre-marital sex as “disobedient Christians,” while declaring homosexuals definitively non-Christians.

Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against homosexual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with fornication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a homosexual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.
 
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tdrew777

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OK. I am not totally awake yet, so it is possible that I am not reading you right...
Are you dissing straight people?
If being "straight" opens the door to lust for someone because they are of the opposite sex, then I am dissing the sin of being "straight". The life that Jesus offers limits sexual desire to one opposite-sex spouse - that is not the generally accepted meaning of the term "straight". "Straight",like "homosexual" and "heterosexual" is another word not found in the bible.
 
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"Straight",like "homosexual" and "heterosexual" is another word not found in the bible.
Remind me to never say computer around you.

Actually, remind me never to speak English. Strictly speaking that was not found in the bible either...
 
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tdrew777

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Remind me to never say computer around you.

Actually, remind me never to speak English. Strictly speaking that was not found in the bible either...
My point is not that we can not use the words, my point is that these words do not define the borders between what is accpatable and what is immoral. "Straight" and "heterosexual" are words that can be spoken around me, I have used them in this thread as much as anyone else. But they do not denote behavior that is acceptable to God. They do not express the biblical moral standard.
We can speak in Spanish or Persian if you would prefer to message me. Rules are, we speak English here. It is for the convenience of our friends 8)
 
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Do you speak Persian? Is Lojban allowed :D

Anyway, I was just razzing you for the way you phrased your point. No worries.
 

shrimp

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What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:1-15, 17-23 KJV)
 

shrimp

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Sorry bout that I didn't realize that there were no indents or breaks in the text.
 
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Tintin

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Sorry bout that I didn't realize that there were no indents or breaks in the text.
I did. No worries, mate. :)

Tdrew, does anyone speak Persian these days?
 

clarkthompson

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Someone living in a way that stands against God word is not a true believer. For example you can watch a movie about the mob and they go to church but I would say because because they constanly murder they could not truly be believers. In reguards to homosexuality the bible says it is wrong so continuing to live in it is sin and when people do not repent of a sin but continue living in it that makes you wonder if they are christians.
 
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DavEtheBravE

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The only true way to get to heaven is by following the heart of the father (God). When you chase after his heart your will be right, and everything will line up the way it needs to. Being religious of scripture will also not grant you eternal Life only through Having a heart on God will.
 
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tdrew777

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I did. No worries, mate. :)

Tdrew, does anyone speak Persian these days?
The ancient Assyrians lead ten tribes of Israel away to exile. The ancient Babilonias took their empire and carried Jerusalem off to exile. Their land is help by Arabs. The Cunieform Language that they shared is dead.

The Persians took over the Babilonian Empire and sent the Jews back to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple - with money from the royal treasury and a request to pray for the King of Persia. Modern Persians live in all the land of the ancient Persians and then some. The bible is being translated into several living dialects of modern Persian (Farsi, Dari, Tajik).

Iran has more Persians than any other country. Afghanistan is number two. The US in number three. Some Asiatic ex-Soviet countries sport Persian populations. Los Angeles has a large number of Persians, as do TX and MD.
 
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tdrew777

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Oh, yeah. My wife and children are Persian.
 

Elizabeth619

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Though the term "homosexual" is not in the bible "homo" is greek for same.

Paul used the word arsenokoitai in reference to homosexuality.

A Greek translation of Leviticus 20:13, arsenos koiten, is probably the source of the Greek word Paul used in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. Many Christians believe Paul borrowed arsenokoitai from the Septuagint translation of Lev 18:22 and 20:13. Therefore, it is vitally important to understand how ancient Jews and Christians understood these verses.

Tho the word "homosexual" is not in the bible, the defnition is sexual attraction to the same sex. Which by the way is not morally acceptable according to scripture.
 
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I was also going to bring up matthew.. That even the merely thinking of someone in lust is committing adultery. The thing is, is we will ALL struggle, we will ALL fall in open sin sometimes. But besides that, we all sin everyday, knowingly or not!.
 
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Ok, i just wanna put it like this. *forgot to say some things in the last post hehe :D * That's the gift of repentance! Christians might murder someone.don't you think you're being some what judgmental? The truth is, is we ALL deserve to pay! Grace is what changes us! God's spirit! When we become saved not EVERYTHING is MAGICALLY fixed in us to make us PERFECT! We are clay in Father's hands bud! and just because i watch a mob movie makes me not a Christian? That's kinda judgmental bud and totally not true!
 
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A gay person will in no way, shape, or form enter heaven. I hate how gays always say that God made them like that. I like to call a spade a spade. If I lie all the time, I'm considered a liar. Same thing for gays. It is what it is. Don't sin and expect people to just ignore it. God never ignores our sin. If that was the case, Jesus would have never died. It's time for people to get their business fixed with the Lord.
 

XYZ

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There's no need for gender in heaven. Sex is apparently obsolete along with marriage. Homosexuality, as defined in the bible, is a 'sin' alongside lying, murder, hatred, jealousy, spite, sex outside marriage, divorce etc etc.

If homosexually inclined people don't get to attain heaven or to live in the new world because of their sin then it stands to reason that no-one who sins will.

That's the logic.
 

john832

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There's no need for gender in heaven. Sex is apparently obsolete along with marriage. Homosexuality, as defined in the bible, is a 'sin' alongside lying, murder, hatred, jealousy, spite, sex outside marriage, divorce etc etc.

If homosexually inclined people don't get to attain heaven or to live in the new world because of their sin then it stands to reason that no-one who sins will.

That's the logic.
Unrepentant sinners, whether gay or straight, will not enter the Kingdom. God calls homosexuality an abomination...

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Call it a space shuttle if you want, but God will not have gays in His Kingdom.
 

XYZ

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Unrepentant sinners, whether gay or straight, will not enter the Kingdom. God calls homosexuality an abomination...

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Call it a space shuttle if you want, but God will not have gays in His Kingdom.
Okay smarty pants. But that list of things there describes every human on earth in some way. Im not afraid to admit Ive done several of those things on that list and probably will again at some point, as will you.

Let me ask you this.

Peter swore his loyalty to Jesus hours before the cock crowed. Swore it.

Through everything, Peter had been faithful. Yet come the time, he denied Jesus three times. Why was that?
 
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So what of the gay people who have their partnership blessed in church? How can a gay person now marry in the house of god and still not go to heaven?