Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable

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They were not judged as men.

This was a special case where the fate of the children was determined by the sins of the [angel] parent.

They were condemned already because of the nature of the conception - which was very specifically an evil against God.
So God do not give them free will to chose?

God d does not condemn babies! That would make him a God of hate not love
 
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I am thinking that the children are not able to do what the [angel] parent could.

The children were - "as it were" - "bastard humans" - while the angels no-doubt have [knowledge and] abilities the children could never have.
Where did the make seed (sperm) come from?
 
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Goliath was a nephelim as was the giants in Canaan who scared the isrealites
according to scripture the flood was to destroy the so called angel children how did they survive the flood? Is it not a dna issue (giant men) and not a demon child?
 

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Yes it is one of the reasons that without parables Christ spoke not .hiding the understanding form the apostles. that can be seen in Luke 9 to teach them how to walk by faith . . .the unseen eternal.

Three times Christ purposely hid the understand of the parable. The first time. It became as if the Son of man had become invisible .Like is he confused lets look for someone we can understand. . A alfa dog who let the dogs out battle came about ."Who is the greatest" man up .To show them how not to walk after what the eyes see, walking by sight. After the third and final time .He rebuked them and declared they knew not what manner of spirit they of .A deceitful and desperately wicked heart as in who could know it. They did learn to walk by faith just as us...

Luke9: 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
So, do you think Gen 6:1-2 is a parable?
 
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So, do you think Gen 6:1-2 is a parable?

Yes, the beginning without parables Christ spoke not. Taking that take the things seen, the temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding. . Christ spoke not. Interpreting parables is called mixing faith in Hebrew 4

Like for instance take verse 4. Without a spiritual understanding of that parable we would not know who the sons on God, as the things of God are (the believers). And daughters of men as the things of men, the temporal seen, represent the unbelievers. And the giants are simply men that God has used mightily . Men of renown . A term or metaphor used to describe sons of God. You could say the superstars were mingling with the common. Pride before the fall.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The warning in Genesis 6 is not to be unevenly yoked

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

The same interpreting formula for searching the parables using the temporal to seek the eternal not seen in 2 Corinthians 4:18 is also found in Roman 1: 19 -20

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman 1: 19 -20
 
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I suppose if it was so, wars would be quite bloody as one angel could easily wipe out 185,000 men. (1Chron 21:15)(2Ki 19:35)
One angel of God on a direct mission for God cannot be compared to fallen angels and the comparison is apples to oranges...and brother you know better than making that comparison, nor does it bave anything to do with ALL the factual truth I gave in my response......
 
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Referring to Sodom, they went after {heteros} flesh, meaning another than what was intended (going after males instead of females). But nowhere does it say the angels went after strange flesh.
Sorry that is not gramatically correct....women have the same flesh of men......it did not say different sex.....Paul makes this comparison

one FLESH OF MEN
ONE OF ANIMALS
ONE OF BIRDS
ONE OF FISH

The word is clear and how it is used is clear.....why is it so difficult to just embrace truth, context and the INSPIRED WORDS that God uses

A flesh OF A DIFFERENT KIND and the MEN WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH ANGELS......

It is no wonder there is 134774839 different flavors of truth and or religious denominations......
 
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Goliath was a nephelim as was the giants in Canaan who scared the isrealites
according to scripture the flood was to destroy the so called angel children how did they survive the flood? Is it not a dna issue (giant men) and not a demon child?
Giants of faith the "renown". A term used exclusively of the believer.

Tall giants like Goliath seemed like grasshopper to those like David who exercised the faith God working in them to both will and do his good pleasure .

Even short people look like giants when a grasshopper does not have the faith to hurl the stones of faith to fell them.

It has do with perspective not max height requirements before men become monsters under the bed.


Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

The cue for the father of lies to get a foot hold in the door. The fear of man.
 
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Sorry that is not gramatically correct....women have the same flesh of men......it did not say different sex.....Paul makes this comparison

one FLESH OF MEN
ONE OF ANIMALS
ONE OF BIRDS
ONE OF FISH

The word is clear and how it is used is clear.....why is it so difficult to just embrace truth, context and the INSPIRED WORDS that God uses

A flesh OF A DIFFERENT KIND and the MEN WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH ANGELS......

It is no wonder there is 134774839 different flavors of truth and or religious denominations......
Same kind of corrupted flesh typified as sinful (the things seen) . The messengers were believers as sons of God.

Homosexuals desired to have sex with men. Nothing more and nothing less.

They had no desire to walk by faith. The unseen eternal.
 
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Same kind of corrupted flesh typified as sinful (the things seen) . The messengers were believers as sons of God.

Homosexuals desired to have sex with men. Nothing more and nothing less.

They had no desire to walk by faith. The unseen eternal.
Lot offered them woman. They said no girls allowed . God blinded them from the truth.They groped in the dark and could not find their way home.
 
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Same kind of corrupted flesh typified as sinful (the things seen) . The messengers were believers as sons of God.

Homosexuals desired to have sex with men. Nothing more and nothing less.

They had no desire to walk by faith. The unseen eternal.
Wrong again.....Jude was inspired and that is NOT THE POINT HE WAS MAKING.....!
 

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Impossible. For the resurrection of the unjust has not happened yet, besides...
Hebrews 9:27 KJV
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Possible if this is a "special case" such that - for whatever reason - they are not allowed in hell as of yet.

Even the angels of Jude 6 seem to be 'kept' in a different place until Judgment Day.

Remember that these are not "normal" humans.
 

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Yes, the beginning without parables Christ spoke not. Taking that take the things seen, the temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding. . Christ spoke not. Interpreting parables is called mixing faith in Hebrew 4

Like for instance take verse 4. Without a spiritual understanding of that parable we would not know who the sons on God, as the things of God are (the believers). And daughters of men as the things of men, the temporal seen, represent the unbelievers. And the giants are simply men that God has used mightily . Men of renown . A term or metaphor used to describe sons of God. You could say the superstars were mingling with the common. Pride before the fall.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The warning in Genesis 6 is not to be unevenly yoked

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4

The same interpreting formula for searching the parables using the temporal to seek the eternal not seen in 2 Corinthians 4:18 is also found in Roman 1: 19 -20

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Roman 1: 19 -20
Possible if this is a "special case" such that - for whatever reason - they are not allowed in hell as of yet.

Even the angels of Jude 6 seem to be 'kept' in a different place until Judgment Day.

Remember that these are not "normal" humans.
garee and GaryA, I'm going to have to bow out of my own thread because this is no longer a 'normal' thread.
 
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Wrong again.....Jude was inspired and that is NOT THE POINT HE WAS MAKING.....!
Hi thanks for the reply. I would offer it a little differently .

Yes, Jude as a messenger of God, as a apostle he was sent with the inspired word of God

The angels, spirits as wings of the wind bring the spiritual truth, of the un-seen father. As spirits of truth they have no life of their own . When the father of lies fall down they all fall.

In the eye of the Lord. The eye of faith, it as a work that works in them builds them up. . . revealing to us His labor of love.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Jude 6

Messages of God show they are of God . Comparing the unseen to the unseen, faith to faith, scripture to scripture.

Messages of the father of lies are false messengers. Their messages deny the father and the Son.

Our Father has bound those lies with the gospel. . . a everlasting chain. It, as the letter of the law, "death", will be cast into the fire of Gods judgment never to rise and condemn the new creation.

Those who have the Spirit of Christ. The born again Spirit of God. I believe they will rise on the last day. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to him.

The first estate of angels is the body of truth as it is written.. the gospel . Called the book of the law. And also called the book of prophecy "as words of the book of this prophecy". The estate of truth "the law and the prophets". or as it is written

They look to represent another gospel which is not a gospel at all . The antichrists, the oral traditions of men . Like in the witness below in Jerimiah.

Using the faithless, unbelieving Jew to represent faithless mankind. And in the end seeing no evil. Having received the strong delusion sent by the father.

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil Jerimiah 44:16-17

Fathers, our kings, and our princes represent the pagan form of government when there was kings in Israel . The reformation introducing the last days has come nearly 2,000 literal years ago.
 

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One angel of God on a direct mission for God cannot be compared to fallen angels and the comparison is apples to oranges...and brother you know better than making that comparison, nor does it bave anything to do with ALL the factual truth I gave in my response......
Fallen angels seem to wreak havoc in Revelation, besides what has this to do with hybrids?
Sorry that is not gramatically correct....women have the same flesh of men......it did not say different sex.....Paul makes this comparison

one FLESH OF MEN
ONE OF ANIMALS
ONE OF BIRDS
ONE OF FISH

The word is clear and how it is used is clear.....why is it so difficult to just embrace truth, context and the INSPIRED WORDS that God uses

A flesh OF A DIFFERENT KIND and the MEN WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH ANGELS......

It is no wonder there is 134774839 different flavors of truth and or religious denominations......
The point is angels don't have flesh, so speaking of 'another' flesh is nonsensical. Besides, Jude is not referring to angels when he mentions strange flesh.
As I said, I will be bowing out of my own thread as it has become rather strange in and of itself.
 

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I know this topic has been ruminated over and over but a thought hit me the other day and I have not heard it discussed.
If it actually was angels that procreated with the daughters of men then the offspring (Nephilim?) would be unredeemable since they were half men/half angel.
Jesus didn't die for the angels. How could they be judged as men?
Comments?
You asked for people's comments.

You got 'em...
 

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I stated that I believed that they were unredeemable and not judged as men.