Genesis one

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Yes, the first pope decided that Baptism would replace circumcision. As the Bible says, we are saved through Baptism, and we continue to be saved. Every Christian is born again through the Sacrament of Baptism.

- My answer:

- In fact, I was speaking about Acts 15 and the conclusion in verses 19 and 20 and again in verses 28 and 29:

- Acts 15:19:

[It is] my
ἐγὼ (egō)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Singular
Strong's 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

judgment,
κρίνω (krinō)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's 2919: Properly, to distinguish, i.e. Decide; by implication, to try, condemn, punish.

therefore,
Διὸ (Dio)
Conjunction
Strong's 1352: Wherefore, on which account, therefore. From dia and hos; through which thing, i.e. Consequently.

that we should not cause trouble for
παρενοχλεῖν (parenochlein)
Verb - Present Infinitive Active
Strong's 3926: To trouble, cause disturbance to, annoy, harass. From para and enochleo; to harass further, i.e. Annoy.

the
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Gentiles
ἐθνῶν (ethnōn)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 1484: Probably from etho; a race, i.e. A tribe; specially, a foreign one.

[who] are turning
ἐπιστρέφουσιν (epistrephousin)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Dative Masculine Plural
Strong's 1994: From epi and strepho; to revert.

to
ἐπὶ (epi)
Preposition
Strong's 1909: On, to, against, on the basis of, at.

God.
Θεόν (Theon)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.



- Acts 15:19:



Instead,
ἀλλὰ (alla)
Conjunction
Strong's 235: But, except, however. Neuter plural of allos; properly, other things, i.e. contrariwise.

we should write
ἐπιστεῖλαι (episteilai)
Verb - Aorist Infinitive Active
Strong's 1989: To write, send by letter to. From epi and stello; to enjoin, i.e. to communicate by letter.

[ and tell] them
αὐτοῖς (autois)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative Masculine 3rd Person Plural
Strong's 846: He, she, it, they, them, same. From the particle au; the reflexive pronoun self, used of the third person, and of the other persons.

to abstain from
ἀπέχεσθαι (apechesthai)
Verb - Present Infinitive Middle
Strong's 568: To have in full, be far, it is enough. From apo and echo; to have out, i.e. Receive in full; to keep away, i.e. Be distant.

[ food ]
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

polluted
ἀλισγημάτων (alisgēmatōn)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 234: Pollution, perhaps a polluted thing (especially of food). From alisgeo; defilement.

by idols,
εἰδώλων (eidōlōn)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 1497: An idol, false god. From eidos; an image; by implication, a heathen god, or the worship of such.

[from]
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

sexual immorality,
πορνείας (porneias)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 4202: Fornication, whoredom; met: idolatry. From porneuo; harlotry; figuratively, idolatry.

[from]
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

the
τοῦ (tou)
Article - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

meat of strangled animals,
πνικτοῦ (pniktou)
Adjective - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 4156: Strangled (i.e. killed without letting out the blood). From pnigo; throttled, i.e. an animal choked to death.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

from
τοῦ (tou)
Article - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

blood.
αἵματος (haimatos)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 129: Blood, literally, figuratively or specially; by implication, bloodshed, also kindred.
 

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- Acts 15:28:


It seemed good
Ἔδοξεν (Edoxen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's 1380: A prolonged form of a primary verb, doko dok'-o of the same meaning; to think; by implication, to seem.

to the
τῷ (tō)
Article - Dative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Holy
Ἁγίῳ (Hagiō)
Adjective - Dative Neuter Singular
Strong's 40: Set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred. From hagos; sacred.

Spirit
Πνεύματι (Pneumati)
Noun - Dative Neuter Singular
Strong's 4151: Wind, breath, spirit.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

to us
ἡμῖν (hēmin)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative 1st Person Plural
Strong's 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

not
μηδὲν (mēden)
Adjective - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's 3367: No one, none, nothing.

to burden
βάρος (baros)
Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular
Strong's 922: Probably from the same as basis; weight; in the New Testament only, figuratively, a load, abundance, authority.

you
ὑμῖν (hymin)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative 2nd Person Plural
Strong's 4771: You. The person pronoun of the second person singular; thou.

[with anything] beyond
πλέον (pleon)

Adjective - Accusative Neuter Singular - Comparative
Strong's 4119: Or neuter pleion, or pleon comparative of polus; more in quantity, number, or quality; also the major portion.

these
τούτων (toutōn)
Demonstrative Pronoun - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 3778: This; he, she, it.

essential requirements:
ἐπάναγκες (epanankes)
Adverb
Strong's 1876: Necessarily; as subst: necessary things. Neuter of a presumed compound of epi and anagke; on necessity, i.e. Necessarily.

- Acts 15:29:




[You must] abstain
ἀπέχεσθαι (apechesthai)
Verb - Present Infinitive Middle
Strong's 568: To have in full, be far, it is enough. From apo and echo; to have out, i.e. Receive in full; to keep away, i.e. Be distant.

from food sacrificed to idols,
εἰδωλοθύτων (eidōlothytōn)
Adjective - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 1494: Neuter of a compound of eidolon and a presumed derivative of thuo; an image-sacrifice, i.e. Part of an idolatrous offering.

from blood,
αἵματος (haimatos)
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's 129: Blood, literally, figuratively or specially; by implication, bloodshed, also kindred.

from the meat of strangled animals,
πνικτῶν (pniktōn)
Adjective - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 4156: Strangled (i.e. killed without letting out the blood). From pnigo; throttled, i.e. an animal choked to death.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's 2532: And, even, also, namely.

from sexual immorality.
πορνείας (porneias)
Noun - Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong's 4202: Fornication, whoredom; met: idolatry. From porneuo; harlotry; figuratively, idolatry.

You will do
πράξετε (praxete)
Verb - Future Indicative Active - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's 4238: To do, perform, accomplish; be in any condition, i.e. I fare; I exact, require.

well
εὖ (eu)
Adverb
Strong's 2095: Well, well done, good, rightly; also used as an exclamation. Neuter of a primary eus; well.

to avoid
διατηροῦντες (diatērountes)
Verb - Present Participle Active - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's 1301: To keep safe, hold fast. From dia and tereo; to watch thoroughly, i.e. to observe strictly, or to avoid wholly.

these things.
ὧν (hōn)
Personal / Relative Pronoun - Genitive Neuter Plural
Strong's 3739: Who, which, what, that.

Farewell.”
Ἔρρωσθε (Errōsthe)
Verb - Perfect Imperative Middle or Passive - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's 4517: Prolongation from rhoomai; to strengthen, i.e. have health.

 

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Judges Chapter 4

- Here we hear about Deborah, the first woman to be a judge in Israel!

- She tells Barak to lead the fight against the enemies of Israel!

- But Barak wants Deborah to come with him!

- So she tells him that God will give the glory to a woman who will kill Sisera the chief of the army of the enemies of Israel!

- It’s interesting to see that God would choose both men and women to have responsibilities in Israel!
 

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Judges Chapter 5

- Deborah and Barak sing a song about what has just happened!

Judges Chapter 6

- Again Israel goes against God!

- And God gives them into the hand of their enemies!

- And as usual they ask for god’s help!

- And God sends his angel to Gideon to tell him to strike their enemies!

- And he receives a sign from God!

- And God tells him to destroy the altar of Baal and build one for God and make an offering!

- The people of the city want to kill him!

- But Joash opposes them!

- And Gideon asks for more signs from God before fighting Israel’s enemies!
 

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Judges Chapter 7

- Gideon must fight again Midian!

- But God tells him there are too many soldiers!

- So he wants to reduce their number to show them that God gives them the victory!

- The Israelites who are afraid must go back home!

- 22,000 go back home and 10,000 remain!

- God says it is still too much!

- So he tells Gideon to send the men to drink!

- And those who drink like dogs go back home!

- And those who bend down on their knees to drink remain!

- Thus there are 300 men left!

- It is at night and the enemies are numerous!

- A man tells a dream indicating that Israel will win!

- When Gideon hears the dream and its interpretation, he bows down and worships!

- Then they get nearer the camp of their enemies and they blow their horns and smash large water jars to make a lot of noise!

- And they have torches and they shout the sword of God and of Gideon!

- And the enemies flee!

- And the Israelites chase them!

- And Gideon asks for the Israelites to go and chase their enemies!
 

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Judges Chapter 8

- The men of Ephraim are angry because they were not called to fight against Midian!

- But Gideon tells them God gave them Midian’s princes before so what he did was nothing compared to them!

- And they calm down!

- Gideon and his 300 men are tired but they keep pursuing their enemies!

- And he asks the men of Succoth and of Peruel for bread but they refuse so he tells them that when he has finished what he is doing, he will come after them!

- When he comes back, he captures and interrogates a young man from Succoth and he gets rid of Succoth and Peruel!

- Then the men of Israel wants Gideon to rule over Israel and his descendants!

- But he refuses saying God is the ruler of Israel!

- But then Gideon asks for gold and makes Ephod and all Israel commits spiritual prostitution and it becomes a snare to Gideon and to his household!

- Then Israel has rest for 40 years in the days of Gideon!

- Gideon becomes father of 70 sons because he has many wives!

- As soon as Gideon dies, Israel commits spiritual prostitution!

- And they forget God and Gideon and his household!

- I HAVE NO WORDS TO SPEAK ABOUT SUCH A DEGREE OF SHAME!

- HOW MANY PEOPLE DO REALLY READ THE BIBLE!
 

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a) Many millions of people read the Bible.
b) I think that you are writing about "such a degree of shame", but your message is hidden.




- My answer :

- Good reading !

- When I read the Bible, I want to tell what I learn like a fire which never stops !

- I have heard so many times that the Hebrews were a special people !

- How is it possible to say that ?

- How is it possible to be so blind ?

- And I am not speaking about individuals because there are such incredible examples of faith in the Bible, it is hard to believe when we see what’s on today !

- It is the same with Job !

- How is it possible to speak against Job thinking as if he was living today ?
 

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Regarding the Hebrews being a special people, of course they are. The Bible is filled with that truth. You need to read Romans 11, or the whole Bible for that matter.

Here are some facts for you to think about. 1) Jesus was a Jew. 2) The entire Bible, with the sole exception of Luke's gospel, was written by Jews. 3) The church was founded by Jews; Gentiles came in later.

How is it possible for you to be so blind?
 

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- My answer:


- Thus this thread has the appropriate name!


- Individuals vs the majority!


- Individuals are different from the majority!


- The majority is the same through man’s history!


- If we read carefully the Bible, God has a special relationship with individuals not with the majority!


- The Bible shows us that only individuals are faithful servants of God!


- If you listen carefully to Jesus, he says he has never seen the faith he sees with non Jews compared to Jews!


- You can read the Torah!


- You can read Joshua!


- You can read Judges!


- You can read Samuel!


- You can read Kings!


- You can read Chronicles!


- You can reads Daniel’s prayer for the restoration of Jerusalem!


- You will always get individuals vs the majority!
 

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I have no idea what you're trying to say. The Jews, a.k.a., the Israelites are God's chosen people. Romans 11:1a, " I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means!"

The book of Exodus alone proves the principle of God's people. Here are just a few references...

Exodus 3:10, "Now go, I am sending you [Moses[ to Pharaoh to bring my people, the Israelites, out of Egypt.”
Exodus 5:1, "Afterward Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Let my people go, so that they may celebrate a festival to me in the wilderness.”
Exodus 6:7, "I will take you as my people, and I will be your God. You shall know that I am the Lord your God, who has freed you from the burdens of the Egyptians.
Exodus 7:4, "When Pharaoh does not listen to you, I will lay my hand upon Egypt and bring my people the Israelites, company by company, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment.
Exodus 8:1, "Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord: Let my people go, so that they may serve me."
Exodus 8:23, "Thus I will make a distinction between my people and your people"
Exodus 9:1, "Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go to Pharaoh and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of the Hebrews: Let my people go, so that they may serve me."
Exodus 9:13, "Then the Lord said to Moses, “Rise up early in the morning and present yourself before Pharaoh and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of the Hebrews: Let my people go, so that they may serve me."
Exodus 9:17, "You are still exalting yourself against my people by not letting them go."
Exodus 10:3-4, "So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said to him, “Thus says the Lord, the God of the Hebrews: How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, so that they may serve me. For if you refuse to let my people go, tomorrow I will bring locusts into your country."
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Exodus 15:13, "In your steadfast love you led the people whom you redeemed; you guided them by your strength to your holy abode."
Exodus 15:16, "Terror and dread fell upon them; by the might of your arm, they became still as a stone until your people, O Lord, passed by, until the people whom you acquired passed by."
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Exodus 19:5, "Now, therefore, if you obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession out of all the peoples. Indeed, the whole earth is mine,"

So, that is just a selection. There are many ither places in the Bible where clearly and obviously, God has a relationship with His people, not just individuals.

Of course, in the New Covenant, Christians -- believing Jews and Gentiles -- are God's people.

Romans 11:1-2a, "I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. "

Romans 11:11-16, "So I ask, have they stumbled so as to fall? By no means! But through their stumbling salvation has come to the gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their stumbling means riches for the world and if their loss means riches for gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

Now I am speaking to you gentiles. Inasmuch as I am an apostle to the gentiles, I celebrate my ministry in order to make my own people jealous and thus save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as first fruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; and if the root is holy, then the branches also are holy."

Romans 11:11-16, "So I ask, have they stumbled so as to fall? By no means! But through their stumbling salvation has come to the gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their stumbling means riches for the world and if their loss means riches for gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

Now I am speaking to you gentiles. Inasmuch as I am an apostle to the gentiles, I celebrate my ministry in order to make my own people jealous and thus save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as first fruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; and if the root is holy, then the branches also are holy."

Clearly, your claim that "If we read carefully the Bible, God has a special relationship with individuals not with the majority!" is totally false.
 

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- My answer:


- First do you remember what happened with the golden calf (Exodus 32 specially verses 7 to 10!


- God wants to eliminate Israel and they only escape destruction because of Moses who calms God but they will pay a high price!


- You can have a second look at Deuteronomy 9!


- Second let’s have a look at Numbers 13 and 14, when 12 spies are sent into Canaan!


- Once again God wants to destroy completely Israel and make a great nation out of Moses!


- And once again Moses saves Israel but all will die in the desert and only the youngsters will get into Canaan!


- And Joshua and Caleb who were among the 12 spies!


- And God prevents Israel to get rid of the Canaanites to test them and to use them against Israel when they rebel!


- Third, in Judges, Israel gets all the time in trouble because they commit spiritual prostitution against God!


- And each time, God gets a savior to save them but when he dies, they go away from God again and again and again…!


- Fourth, in Samuel they reject God as their king and they ask for a human king!


- And it will only get worse and worse!


- Fifth, Jerusalem was destroyed twice!


- Sixth, have a look at Daniel’s prayer of confession in Daniel 9 and God’s answer about the restoration of Jerusalem and its DESTRUCTION!


- It seems to be we are not reading the same Bible!
 

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We are both reading the same Bible but only one of us is reading with understanding. God has not rejected His people.

- My answer:

- Maybe English is not clear enough!

- Maybe you should check the original text to understand!

- Maybe our discussion will help people to understand!

- Maybe people will check by themselves what is written in the Bible!

- It only shows that people need to check by themselves what is written!
 

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Judges Chapter 9


- After the death of Gideon, one of his sons Abimelech proposes to his brotheres to rule over them!

- So they give him 70 pieces of silver!

- He uses the money to hire men and kills all his brothers with one stone except Jotham his youngest brother who hides!

- Then Jotham speaks to the leaders of Shechem!

- He asks them if they acted sincerely in making Abimelech king taking into account what his father did for them!

- Because Abimelech’s mother is Gideon’s slave girl!

- Then Jotham flees!

- And Abimelech rules over Israel for 3 years!

- To avenge the killing of Gideon’s sons, God lets hostility develop between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem!

- Then they fight together and Abimelech killed all the men of Shechem and destroys the city!

- But when Abimelech attacks the city of thebez!

- There a woman throws a millstone on him and crushes his skull!

- And he asks his attendant to kill him so nobody can say a woman killed him!

- So the attendant kills him!

- Then all the men of Israel go back home!

- Finally God repays Abimelech and the men of Shechem for the evil they had done!

- Thus even if it takes time, God always repays those who do evil!

- When you go against God, he will repay each one according to what he did or not!

- Once again we have a warning!

- When time arrives for God to repay those who deserve it, it is no time to cry or weep!

- And it happens so many times till God finally rejected Israel!

- Remember Daniel’s prayer for the restoration of Jerusalem in spite of its mountain of sins against God!

- And God’s answer: THE RESTORATION OF JERUSALEM AND ITS DESTRUCTION!

- THE MESSAGE SEEMS CLEAR BUT NOT FOR EVERYBODY!
 

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Judges Chapter 10

- And Tola judged Israel for 23 years!

- And Jair judged Israel for 22 years!

- And again Israel committed spiritual prostitution!

- And God gave them into the hands of the philistines and the Ammonites!

- For 18 years!

- And finally they called to God for help!

- But God told them GO AWAY!

- So they removed the foreign gods from their midst and served God!

- And then the Ammonites prepared to fight again against Israel!
 

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Judges Chapter 11

- And Jephthah was the son of a prostitute!

- And he became a mighty warrior!

- And the elders of Gilead asked Jephthah to become their commander!

- Jephthah made a vow to God!

- If God was to give the Ammonites in Jephthah’s hands, the one coming out of the door of his house would become God’s!

- And Jephthah won and he took the control of 20 cities!

- When he came back home, his daughter came out to meet him!

- She was his only child!

- She would stay a virgin and served God!

- And it became a tradition on Israel, from year to year, the young women of Israel would go to give commendation to Jephthah’s daughter four days in the year!
 
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Day 6 Animals and all the races of man were created and God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.
Day 7 God rested from all his work.
Day 8 Gen 2:5-8, There was no man to till the ground, ( a farmer), so God created The Man, Adam and put him in the garden of Eden to dress it and keep it, Gen 2:15. He then created some farm animals which Adam named, Gen 2:19-20. Then God created Eve, Adam's help mate. Gen 2:18, 2:21-23. Through the seed line of Adam and Eve would come the birth of Christ. Eve is called the mother of all living because if you accept Christ as savior, you have eternal life.

Note: In Gen 2, God created Adam first and planted him in the garden and gave him a commandment not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Then God created the farm animals which Adam named and then he created Eve. This is a different order of creation then that described in Gen 1 where the animals were created before man. As far as the races being created on the 6th day consider Gen 4:16-17. Cain went out from the presence of the Lord to the land of Nod and took himself a wife. If Adam and Eve were the first created, where did Cain's wife come from? She was one from the 6th day creation. These things are not commonly taught but is written for all to see.

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- If you look at Genesis chapter 4, you can see that the biblical genealogy only mentions the sons who are born!

- If you look at Genesis chapter 5, we are told that Adam became father of sons and daughters!
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- In Genesis 1: 20-23 we are told about a progressive creation:

- First the sea creatures!

- Second the flying creatures!

- It happened during the fifth day or period of creation!

- Then starting in verse 24, during the sixth day or period, we get earth creatures!

- In verse 24, the order is domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals!

- In verse 25, the order is wild animals and domestic animals and creeping animals!

- In verse 26, we are told about the creation of man and he must control animals!

- The order given is sea creatures and flying creatures and domestic creatures and creeping creatures!

- In verse 27, we are told about the creation of male and female!

- In verse 28, man must control sea creatures and flying creatures and earth creatures!

- In verse 29 and 30, man and animals will eat vegetation!

- When chapter 2 starts, we are told that everything was created!

- In verse 4, it is a flashback dealing after the creation of the earth!

- In verse 5, there was yet no vegetation on the earth!

- The reason: no rain and no man to cultivate it!

- In verse 6, we are told about a mist going up from the earth and watering it!

- In verse 7 man is created from the ground and God blows into his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living creature!

- In verse 8, God plants a garden in Eden and puts man in it!

- In verse 9, God makes grow trees in the garden of Eden!

- A SMALL PROBLEM IF IT IS IN THE SAME ORDER

- VERSE 8 MAN IS PUT IN THE GARDEN

- VERSE 9 THE TREES GROW

- SO HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO EAT

- Then we are told about 4 rivers!

- In verse 15, we are told again that God puts man in the garden of Eden to cultivate it and take care of it!

- In verse 16, he could eat from every tree!

- In verse 17, except from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad!

- Otherwise he would die the same day!

- In verse 18, God says man must not stay alone!

- Then we will have to look at the original text to understand what it says in verse 19 concerning the creation of animals!

- Because there God brings them to man so he can give them a name!

- In verse 19, man gives them a name!

- It is the same in verse 20 except the fact that he was alone!

- So God makes man fall asleep and he takes one of his ribs and creates the woman from man!

- And man and woman will become one flesh!

- One and one, that makes two if I can calculate correctly!

- But apparently man has never been able to count correctly!

- Man’s tradition vs God’s tradition just after Adam and Eve disobeyed God!

- And they were naked and not ashamed!

- Now let’s go back to verse 19 using the original text!

- First, let’s have a look at all the translations we get in Biblehub:
 

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New International Version
Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

New Living Translation
So the LORD God formed from the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would call them, and the man chose a name for each one.

English Standard Version
Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

Berean Standard Bible
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

King James Bible
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

New King James Version
Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

New American Standard Bible
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

NASB 1995
Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

NASB 1977
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

Amplified Bible
So the LORD God formed out of the ground every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

Christian Standard Bible
The LORD God formed out of the ground every wild animal and every bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it. And whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
So the LORD God formed out of the ground every wild animal and every bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it. And whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

American Standard Version
And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And LORD JEHOVAH God formed from the Earth every animal of the wilderness, and every bird of Heaven, and he brought them to Adam to see what he called them, and everything that Adam called them, each living soul, that is its name.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And God formed yet farther out of the earth all the wild beasts of the field, and all the birds of the sky, and he brought them to Adam, to see what he would call them, and whatever Adam called any living creature, that was the name of it.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.

Good News Translation
So he took some soil from the ground and formed all the animals and all the birds. Then he brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and that is how they all got their names.

International Standard Version
After the LORD God formed from the ground every wild animal and every bird that flies, he brought each of them to the man to see what he would call it. Whatever the man called each living creature became its name.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof.

Literal Standard Version
And YHWH God forms from the ground every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens, and brings [them] to the man, to see what he calls it; and whatever the man calls a living creature, that [is] its name.

New American Bible
So the LORD God formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each living creature was then its name.

NET Bible
The LORD God formed out of the ground every living animal of the field and every bird of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them, and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

New Revised Standard Version
So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

New Heart English Bible
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every tame animal, and every wild animal, and every flying creature of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

World English Bible
Out of the ground Yahweh God formed every animal of the field, and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. Whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

Young's Literal Translation
And Jehovah God formeth from the ground every beast of the field, and every fowl of the heavens, and bringeth in unto the man, to see what he doth call it; and whatever the man calleth a living creature, that is its name.
 

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- had formed: twice: here the tense indicates that the action occurred before

- having formed: once: here the tense indicates that the action occurred before

- formed / formeth: 22 times

- forms and brings: once

- brought /bringeth: all the time except once (brings)

- Then we get:

1 wild animals and birds. He brought them

2 wild animals and birds. He brought them

3 every beast of the field and every bird and brought them

4 every beast of the field and every bird, and he brought them

5 every beast of the field, and every fowl; and brought them

6 every beast of the field and every bird, and brought them

7 every beast of the field and every bird, and brought them

8 every beast of the field and every bird, and brought them

9 every beast of the field and every bird, and brought them

10 every beast of the field and every bird, and brought them

11 every wild animal and every bird, and brought

12 every wild animal and every bird, and brought

13 every beast of the field, and every bird; and brought them

14 every animal of the wilderness, and every bird, and he brought them

15 all the wild beasts of the field, and all the birds, and he brought them

16 all the beasts of the earth, and all the birds, and he brought them

17 all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls, brought them

18 all the animals and all the birds. Then he brought them

19 every wild animal and every bird, he brought

20 every beast of the field, and every fowl; and brought them

21 every beast of the field, and every bird, and brings them

22 all the wild animals and all the birds, and he brought them

23 every living animal of the field and every bird. He brought them

24 every animal of the field and every bird, and brought them

25 every tame animal, and every wild animal, and every flying creature, and brought them

26 every animal of the field, and every bird, and brought them

27 every beast of the field, and every fowl, and bringeth

- thus we get:

- animals and animals. He brought

- animals and animals and he brought

- animals and animals, and he brought

- animals, and; and brought

- animals, and animals, and he brought

- animals, and animals, brought

- animals and animals. Then he brought

- animals and animals, he brought

- animals, and animals; and brought

- animals and animals. He brought

- In the majority of the cases, it is really difficult or impossible to know when events occur, if it is at the same time or before or after!
 

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- Now the original text:

Hebrew


And out of
מִן־ (min-)
Preposition
Strong's 4480: A part of, from, out of

the ground
הָֽאֲדָמָ֗ה (hā·’ă·ḏā·māh)
Article | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 127: Ground, land

the LORD
יְהוָ֨ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel

God
אֱלֹהִ֜ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 430: gods -- the supreme God, magistrates, a superlative

1) formed
וַיִּצֶר֩ (way·yi·ṣer)

Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 3335: To mould into a, form, as a, potter, to determine

every
כָּל־ (kāl-)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 3605: The whole, all, any, every

beast
חַיַּ֤ת (ḥay·yaṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 2416: Alive, raw, fresh, strong, life

of the field
הַשָּׂדֶה֙ (haś·śā·ḏeh)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 7704: Field, land

and every
כָּל־ (kāl-)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 3605: The whole, all, any, every

bird
ע֣וֹף (‘ō·wp̄)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 5775: Flying creatures

of the air,
הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם (haš·šā·ma·yim)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 8064: Heaven, sky

2) and He brought [them]
וַיָּבֵא֙ (way·yā·ḇê)

Conjunctive waw | Verb - Hifil - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go

to
אֶל־ (’el-)
Preposition
Strong's 413: Near, with, among, to

the man
הָ֣אָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

to see
לִרְא֖וֹת (lir·’ō·wṯ)
Preposition-l | Verb - Qal - Infinitive construct
Strong's 7200: To see

what
מַה־ (mah-)
Interrogative
Strong's 4100: What?, what!, indefinitely what

3) he would name
יִּקְרָא־ (yiq·rā-)

Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 7121: To call, proclaim, read

each one.
וְכֹל֩ (wə·ḵōl)
4)
Conjunctive waw | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 3605: The whole, all, any, every

And whatever the man
הָֽאָדָ֛ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 120: Ruddy, a human being

called
יִקְרָא־ (yiq·rā-)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 7121: To call, proclaim, read

each living
חַיָּ֖ה (ḥay·yāh)
Adjective - feminine singular
Strong's 2416: Alive, raw, fresh, strong, life

creature,
נֶ֥פֶשׁ (ne·p̄eš)
Noun - feminine singular
Strong's 5315: A soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

that
ה֥וּא (hū)
Pronoun - third person masculine singular
Strong's 1931: He, self, the same, this, that, as, are

[was] its name.
שְׁמֽוֹ׃ (šə·mōw)
Noun - masculine singular construct | third person masculine singular
Strong's 8034: A name