God created evil
- Thread starter Josefnospam
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
J
There's really nothing to forgive, so we're cool. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of the modern versions in comparison to the KJV, but I'd never even think of suggesting that you're damned to eternal death for using them. I took the time many years ago to do a pretty intense comparative study on Bible translations and the underlying texts from which they're translated and I've based my own conclusions upon the same. If anybody wanted to get into a civil discussion about that, then I'd entertain the idea. Other than that, I'm really not looking to get into an argument with anybody over this topic. Less than a year ago, I got into a discussion with a local pastor on this topic and I showed him how many changes have been made in the ESV which affect major tenets of the Christian faith and he basically couldn't have cared less. That was pretty much the last straw for me. I personally believe that a lot of the divisions with Christendom are directly related to the different Bible translations which different people use. In many instances, the different translations are clearly saying different things.
C
I think that's actually correct but one can argue that good is the absence of evil too, and that's why we should aim for really (even if we could never get rid of our evil ways if not for Jesus).
Let's also rember that before there were light, there were darkness, and before the light of god that is good was in our life, there were darkness that was evil.
Let's also rember that before there were light, there were darkness, and before the light of god that is good was in our life, there were darkness that was evil.
A
ra‛ râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine raah; as adjective or noun.]
Total KJV occurrences: 664
That's the original word and definition. Most call it calamities.
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine raah; as adjective or noun.]
Total KJV occurrences: 664
That's the original word and definition. Most call it calamities.
J
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
Seeing how "light" contrasts "darkness", what contrasts "peace"? "Calamity" does and the Lord is regularly depicted as the One Who stirs up trouble for people as a means of chastisement in the scriptures.
Seeing how "light" contrasts "darkness", what contrasts "peace"? "Calamity" does and the Lord is regularly depicted as the One Who stirs up trouble for people as a means of chastisement in the scriptures.
J
On eve? lol. I'm guessing that you hit the "e" key twice instead of the "d" key. Anyhow, if we're talking about the same thing and I think that we are, then that's been out on DVD for several years. I'm pretty sure that it first came out in 1997 and you can easily purchase it online. I got mine at a Christian bookstore many years ago, but I think that they came out with an updated version in 2006.
T
I have no qualms with you, brother. I was referring to some others here. Many of them long-time members. As for the ESV. I'm not super-familiar with it, but I do enjoy it. I grew up with the Good News, the CEV and the most 'evil' of all translations (haha!) the NIV, and I've never questioned any of the primary tenants of the Christian faith.
E
GOD did not create evil. GOD knows that the opposite of good is evil and because of that when lucifer had in his heart to do evil, which is doing the opposite of what GOD says. GOD set forth a Master Plan. The only way mankind would even know of evil would be to make their own choice. GOD gave Adam the Commandment not to eat of the tree of good and evil.
Though Adam only understood good he had no recollection of evil, until he made his own choice to eat of the forbidden fruit. Notice satan had to deceive Eve. Once Eve gave an ear to satan, evil now was made known to her. Eve knew serpents did not talk and yet gave an ear to hear. Not only did Eve hear she looked upon it. By this she now made her choice to partake. Once she ate she gave also to Adam. Once Adam ate he therefore started a strain of inheritance to all.
This is why we all are shapen in iniquity. Through the Master's Plan we have to make a choice to be Born Again shaped in the image of the SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Though Adam only understood good he had no recollection of evil, until he made his own choice to eat of the forbidden fruit. Notice satan had to deceive Eve. Once Eve gave an ear to satan, evil now was made known to her. Eve knew serpents did not talk and yet gave an ear to hear. Not only did Eve hear she looked upon it. By this she now made her choice to partake. Once she ate she gave also to Adam. Once Adam ate he therefore started a strain of inheritance to all.
This is why we all are shapen in iniquity. Through the Master's Plan we have to make a choice to be Born Again shaped in the image of the SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
Blessings!!!!!!!
Wait, so you totally took it face value BEFORE you studied it? Because, I studied that scripture....with the KJV.....and even did a Greek/Hebrew digging and what you're saying isn't what it means. I know it comes off as God creating evil, however. This is why I studied it more before I formed an opinion.
So, before an opinion is formed, I encourage you to look into it more than just taking it as face value. No one is saying the Word of God is void. It is the truth. Just, do some researching.
It's awesome you want to know more about what the Word says, Josef!
So, before an opinion is formed, I encourage you to look into it more than just taking it as face value. No one is saying the Word of God is void. It is the truth. Just, do some researching.
It's awesome you want to know more about what the Word says, Josef!
T
God is light. Evil is the lack of light and does not have any real existence on its own.
To a room full of light, darkness never enters unless you remove the light. Yet a little bit of a light illuminates a room entirely dark before then.
The devil, satan, and the other manifestations of darkness adhere to the lack of light. God has created the light and when we choose to stay in the cave, we have chosen darkness. We have chosen evil. We do not blame God for what we choose to do.
So when God says,
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"
He speaks the truth as the lack of light is darkness, as the lack of peace is evil. By creating light, darkness has automatically come into view not by itself but by the lack of light.
To a room full of light, darkness never enters unless you remove the light. Yet a little bit of a light illuminates a room entirely dark before then.
The devil, satan, and the other manifestations of darkness adhere to the lack of light. God has created the light and when we choose to stay in the cave, we have chosen darkness. We have chosen evil. We do not blame God for what we choose to do.
So when God says,
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"
He speaks the truth as the lack of light is darkness, as the lack of peace is evil. By creating light, darkness has automatically come into view not by itself but by the lack of light.
A
I keep forgetting how young you are, but you just made me feel old! I remember when the NIV came out. Quite the controversy, but I still like it.
Might be prejudice. I knew the guy who translated Jude (and a few Psalms) for the NIV. I'd have to classify him as my hero, and not because he could translate a book in the Bible for a translation of it. But because he spent his money and his life helping homeless men get off the streets of Philly and become men of God in the process. His real ministry (when he wasn't studying, and it looked like he studied most of the time), was a building he bought to bring in homeless men to teach them a better way to live.
Might be prejudice. I knew the guy who translated Jude (and a few Psalms) for the NIV. I'd have to classify him as my hero, and not because he could translate a book in the Bible for a translation of it. But because he spent his money and his life helping homeless men get off the streets of Philly and become men of God in the process. His real ministry (when he wasn't studying, and it looked like he studied most of the time), was a building he bought to bring in homeless men to teach them a better way to live.
A
Here's an obvious example.
What does the English word "run" mean?
Dd you just picture someone jogging quickly?
I was thinking of Bull Run. I'm not talking bovine. I'm talking about a small body of water traveling through some low lying fields in Manassas VA. Run is something like a stream.
So should I fault you for picking the wrong meaning? Not really. I only got one other meaning for the word and there are 148. I could run you ragged on the word run. I could score a home run playing that game. I might even get you to have the runs. Sorry, I'm running out of other puns.
That word for evil? Not quite as complicated as the word run, but you have to understand it through context, not just let it sit there on its own and assume the meaning. Are hurricanes, floods, fires, and earthquakes evil? Yes. And also God made. But they aren't the same kind of evil as the word used in Gen. 6:5. Evil really does work in your verses, but so does a more specific word -- calamity.
What does the English word "run" mean?
Dd you just picture someone jogging quickly?
I was thinking of Bull Run. I'm not talking bovine. I'm talking about a small body of water traveling through some low lying fields in Manassas VA. Run is something like a stream.
So should I fault you for picking the wrong meaning? Not really. I only got one other meaning for the word and there are 148. I could run you ragged on the word run. I could score a home run playing that game. I might even get you to have the runs. Sorry, I'm running out of other puns.
That word for evil? Not quite as complicated as the word run, but you have to understand it through context, not just let it sit there on its own and assume the meaning. Are hurricanes, floods, fires, and earthquakes evil? Yes. And also God made. But they aren't the same kind of evil as the word used in Gen. 6:5. Evil really does work in your verses, but so does a more specific word -- calamity.