God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

[StoneThrower]

I've noticed that you approve of the spirit of the old hermit. You must have noticed how angry he got when I said,

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Sir, I mean no disrespect as you are my elder in years, but you come across as obstinate, foolish and unteachable!

You provoke people who are trying to help you, who are concerned for your soul and it appears all you want to do is push your agenda and the false teachings of your cult.

It seems you gloat in the fact that you cause others to sin. I try not to judge people too quickly here, as I am a sinner saved by grace, and it was my sin that put Christ on the cross, but as I watch your interaction with others it’s not very Christ like.

Have you ever held the law up in front of you, killing you so that you can see your sin the way God sees it?
Have you confessed it, turned from it, with an attitude of being appalled by it, and putting your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone (his work on the cross)?

If not than that would explain a lot, as God resist the proud and gives grace to the humble, and coming from a man that struggles with pride you seem very prideful to me, to the point of Cocky arrogance.

We’re not called to judge unbelievers that’s Gods role, but were all called to judge those that name the name of Christ.
I asked you numerous times, what must I do to be saved and you quote John 3:16 based on that alone (Believing) the demons believe and they are not saved. You had a chance to share the gospel with the board, why would you not jump on that as the MOST important reason for being here? But that didn’t even seem to cross your mind.

You may want to evaluate yourself to see that you are in the truth, that’s not a personal attack but a chance for you to repent if you are a believer. If you are, if, the correct response would be that this should mortify you and you will consider it. If you’re not that you will respond with more of the same behavior exhibited thus far.

Scripture tell us by their fruits you will know them, it also says that I should rebuke if your are a believer one on one, but I see no evidence of that in your dealings with others. I will be praying for you and I would encourage others to do the same!

 

[oldhermit]

Sir, I mean no disrespect as you are my elder in years, but you come across as obstinate, foolish and unteachable!

You provoke people who are trying to help you, who are concerned for your soul and it appears all you want to do is push your agenda and the false teachings of your cult.

It seems you gloat in the fact that you cause others to sin. I try not to judge people too quickly here, as I am a sinner saved by grace, and it was my sin that put Christ on the cross, but as I watch your interaction with others it’s not very Christ like.

Have you ever held the law up in front of you, killing you so that you can see your sin the way God sees it?
Have you confessed it, turned from it, with an attitude of being appalled by it, and putting your faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone (his work on the cross)?

If not than that would explain a lot, as God resist the proud and gives grace to the humble, and coming from a man that struggles with pride you seem very prideful to me, to the point of Cocky arrogance.

We’re not called to judge unbelievers that’s Gods role, but were all called to judge those that name the name of Christ.
I asked you numerous times, what must I do to be saved and you quote John 3:16 based on that alone (Believing) the demons believe and they are not saved. You had a chance to share the gospel with the board, why would you not jump on that as the MOST important reason for being here? But that didn’t even seem to cross your mind.

You may want to evaluate yourself to see that you are in the truth, that’s not a personal attack but a chance for you to repent if you are a believer. If you are, if, the correct response would be that this should mortify you and you will consider it. If you’re not that you will respond with more of the same behavior exhibited thus far.

Scripture tell us by their fruits you will know them, it also says that I should rebuke if your are a believer one on one, but I see no evidence of that in your dealings with others. I will be praying for you and I would encourage others to do the same!

I would not waste any more of my time on this person. People like him come and go by the truck load on these forums. Most get banned quickly. When he leaves there will be ten more just like him take his place. There comes a time when you simply have to refrain from "giving that which holy to the dogs."

 

[Shubee]

Sir, I mean no disrespect as you are my elder in years, but you come across as obstinate, foolish and unteachable!

The Old Hermet taught me an amazing lesson. Trinitarians start with fantasy and then superimpose their superstitions into the meaning of words. And it took me a long time to figure that out. It's all very clear now. I started with an extraordinarily clear exposition on God's word. Then, repeatedly, the enemies of truth proved themselves to be too dishonest to face that truth directly. All they did was rehearse their traditions and in their refusal to provide a Biblical answer, they then tried to derail this thread by going off-topic.

 

[StoneThrower]

I would not waste any more of my time on this person. People like him come and go by the truck load on these forums. Most get banned quickly. There comes a time when you simply have to refrain from "giving that which holy to the dogs."

Agreeded, but perhaps he wasnt aware of the way he comes accross.

 

[Shubee]

It seems you gloat in the fact that you cause others to sin. ...
We’re not called to judge unbelievers that’s Gods role, but were all called to judge those that name the name of Christ.

My joy is Christ commending me for putting false teachers to the test and proving that they are liars. I didn't cause the Old Hermit to sin. I caused him to confess a sin that he was hiding dishonestly. And I accept his confession.

 

[Shubee]

You provoke people who are trying to help you, who are concerned for your soul and it appears all you want to do is push your agenda and the false teachings of your cult.

I didn't shirk my responsibility to defend Millerite doctrine. And no one proved that even one Millerite doctrine is false.

 

[Shubee]

I asked you numerous times, what must I do to be saved and you quote John 3:16 based on that alone (Believing) the demons believe and they are not saved.

Millerites teach that professed Christians are saved by faith and judged by works. If you bothered to read their exposition on the book of Revelation, you would have figured that out. Obviously, you were too preoccupied with wanting to condemn and had no time for a righteous judgment.

 

[Shubee]

I asked you numerous times, what must I do to be saved and you quote John 3:16 based on that alone (Believing) the demons believe and they are not saved.

Consider how Millerites view the Investigative Judgment in this exchange between a Millerite and a Seventh-day Adventist: Essential Elements of the Investigative Judgment.

 

[VCO]

It was a revelation from God to Georg Cantor, which the Millerites were the first to appreciate as relevant in their expositions on Christ's rank in the Godhead. You should stop belittling what you don't understand.

You see Shubee, we totally do not believe that Georg Cantor received any revelation from GOD.

Revelation 22:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Therefore a parallel verse most certainly is:

Proverbs 30:5-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.


We believe adding to the book of Revelation is the same as adding to the Bible, as it is ALL inspired by God, and in His Divine Plan it was intended by GOD to be perfect and complete as the Word of GOD, which we call the Bible. Thus no one claiming to have received Divine Revelation after that was penned is speaking from GOD, but rather he or she is a false prophet.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Charles Russell and the Watchtower Society RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Mary Baker Eddy RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Georg Cantor RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Ellen White RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Jim Jones RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Harold Camping RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Oral Roberts RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Mary K. Baxter RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
Susan G. Shumsky RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,
etc., etc., etc.


Jude 1:3 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all {all here we believe is a reference to time} delivered to the saints.

There is No New Divine Revelation to be added to the Bible.

NONE.

Romans 1:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, {Jesus Christ is the Creator}
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Romans 1:22 (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,

 

[VCO]

It was a revelation from God to Georg Cantor, which the Millerites were the first to appreciate as relevant in their expositions on Christ's rank in the Godhead. You should stop belittling what you don't understand.

And who were the Millerites:

William Miller is perhaps the most famous false prophet in history. In the 1840s he began to preach about the world's end, saying Jesus Christ would return for the long-awaited Second Coming and that Earth would be engulfed in fire sometime between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. He circulated his message in public gatherings and by using the technologies of the day — posters, printed newsletters and charts. Moved by those messages, as many as 100,000 "Millerites" sold their belongings between 1840 and 1844 and took to the mountains to wait for the end. When that end didn't come, Miller changed the date to Oct. 22. When Oct. 23 rolled around, his loyal followers explained it away yet again and went on to form the Seventh-day Adventist movement.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2072678_2072683_2072697,00.html

 

[Esanta]

And who were the Millerites:

You do know this is written by a TIME journalist who's given no references for her source material and has no degree in history, religion or anything relevant to this post?

 

[Shubee]

You see Shubee, we totally do not believe that Georg Cantor received any revelation from GOD.

Revelation 22:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

I assure you, Georg Cantor has not tampered with the book of Revelation in any way. He neither added nor deleted any word.

 

[Shubee]

There is No New Divine Revelation to be added to the Bible.

Georg Cantor's revelations from God are now just a part the standard, uncontroversial education every mathematician receives. Cantor never even hinted that his communications from God should be added to the Bible. But if your concern is about those who do add their own thoughts to God's word, then check out the confession by the Old Hermit on this thread. He virtually confessed that the definition of the Greek word morphe must be determined by the Trinitarian fantasy and whatever twisting is necessary in Greek syntax to make his favored traditions fit.

 

[Shubee]

And who were the Millerites:

William Miller was just a mighty servant of God that dreamed that he would be vindicated by new light, which has now arrived: The Millerite Interpretation of Multiple Prophetic Scenarios

 

[Shubee]

Georg Cantor RECEIVED NO DIVINE REVELATION,

Please confess that you are not qualified to judge the extraordinary beauty and genius of Cantor's revelation.

 

[SolidGround]

It'd do you good to look through the Gospels, the psalms and the proverbs more, rather than the Revelation. Yal are getting too lost in thoughts that have no bearing on living here and now.

Being 'ready' doesn't mean lookin up at the right time.
It's about what you do for your brothers and sisters in the Lord, and how you treat your neighbors.

The book of Revelation is simple to understand.
1. God knows what's gonna happen.
2. He's got it under control.
3. Bad stuff goes down, but He wins.
4. We don't understand the details, but it'll be clear soon, and the clarity will bring glory to God.

you don't need any more interpretation than that.

Last thought: look to the Scripture for yourself. If another person is telling you how to interpret it, they are definitely trying to deceive you. Scripture is clear to the Spirit. If you have the Spirit, then you have the clear Word of God infront of ya when you open that Book.

 

[SolidGround]

when a prophet makes a prophecy wrong, it's cause they were not talking to God, cause He's never wrong.
Bible tells us not to listen to a person who gets a prophecy wrong.

The fact that you are quoting a guys who got a prophecy wrong, can mean one or two things:
1. you don't know that the Bible tells you not to listen to false prophets, cause you aint reading your Bible.
2. you think that the Bible is wrong about this one feller, and he got it wrong cause the world changed after he got his prediction... which means it was right, but then ended up being wrong.

i think you're saying it's number two, but i've got a feeling it's really number one

 

[oldhermit]

when a prophet makes a prophecy wrong, it's cause they were not talking to God, cause He's never wrong.
Bible tells us not to listen to a person who gets a prophecy wrong.

The fact that you are quoting a guys who got a prophecy wrong, can mean one or two things:
1. you don't know that the Bible tells you not to listen to false prophets, cause you aint reading your Bible.
2. you think that the Bible is wrong about this one feller, and he got it wrong cause the world changed after he got his prediction... which means it was right, but then ended up being wrong.

i think you're saying it's number two, but i've got a feeling it's really number one

Miller was a fool and and a false prophet. That man never taught anything that agreed with scripture and no prophesy he ever made came to pass. Why anyone anyone would put their trust in such a one is beyond me.

 

[Shubee]

The book of Revelation is simple to understand.
1. God knows what's gonna happen.
2. He's got it under control.
3. Bad stuff goes down, but He wins.
4. We don't understand the details, but it'll be clear soon, and the clarity will bring glory to God.

you don't need any more interpretation than that.

Last thought: look to the Scripture for yourself. If another person is telling you how to interpret it, they are definitely trying to deceive you. Scripture is clear to the Spirit. If you have the Spirit, then you have the clear Word of God infront of ya when you open that Book.

This crowd can't even grasp the meaning of the Greek words in Philippians 2:6 so, obviously, the book of Revelation is too much for them also. I'm sure that they also feel as you do, that they don't need to understand the details.

 

[Shubee]

Bible tells us not to listen to a person who gets a prophecy wrong.

William Miller was essentially right. Daniel 8:14 does mean that the world was to end after 2300 years. His only mistake was in not see the multiple scenarios in the book of Revelation.