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So, you pick and choose more than just verses in the Bible? You pick and choose which person agrees properly with you? Seriously? That word "universalism" should have been the tipping point against sound teaching.
You aren't edifying. You're "propagating" your own doctrines, and they aren't biblical doctrines. That's negating the Lord.
You aren't edifying. You're "propagating" your own doctrines, and they aren't biblical doctrines. That's negating the Lord.
What do you mean by "the whole world"?
Yes, invitation and preaching is to all. Many are called, but only few are chosen
What "God's drawing" do you mean? The effective one to the salvation? Or only a common one, given to all mankind so that we will not kill each other immediately?
Yes, invitation and preaching is to all. Many are called, but only few are chosen
What "God's drawing" do you mean? The effective one to the salvation? Or only a common one, given to all mankind so that we will not kill each other immediately?
For the OP, you need to understand what Esau did and why is he used as an example.
Esau sold his inheritance for a bowl of soup because he was momentarily so hungry that he had to get a bowl of soup, right now, even if that meant losing his inheritance. It's about the principle. Getting the fleeting satisfaction was more important than long-term future. If you are wise and put the concern about your eternal future first, you are not Esau.
"And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." The younger represents Jesus side (like Jacob's got the birthright, Jesus is also called the ultimate firstborn) and the nation of God, who are given to reign. Esau represents God's enemies. The saints will rule over them. Esau is used synonyously in the Bible with the name Edom - a nation who pursues others with swords, holds on to anger, will not forgive, "the strong city" which God decided to completely destroy.
The Bible teaches us to not proclaim who goes to heaven or hell - we don't know this, and it's not our job to say anyway (Romans 10:6-7), so ignore the bickering on the forum, God alone has the ultimate say. Look at apostle Paul's example, he was looking to murder God's people. Everybody would say he would end up in hell, and they would be wrong. Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. God destroys the old person and creates a new one and this is why we identify with Jesus' death and resurrection. So God is able to have people cross from the enemy's side to His and does this all the time. God loves us but hates our old evil nature - such cannot enter eternal life.
Jacob, after he was blessed, came to Esau and gave him many gifts and made friends with him in Jesus like manner, even though his brother tried to kill him earlier. The Bible says Esau gave up on revenge and was glad to be reunited with him, so I believe he had a change of heart. Doesn't it say "Esau I hated" - it is in the past... yet warning as an example to us...
I did not post for a long time, I feel really stressed out writing anything here, but felt the urge to write this for you and I hope it encourages you and comforts you...
Esau sold his inheritance for a bowl of soup because he was momentarily so hungry that he had to get a bowl of soup, right now, even if that meant losing his inheritance. It's about the principle. Getting the fleeting satisfaction was more important than long-term future. If you are wise and put the concern about your eternal future first, you are not Esau.
"And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." The younger represents Jesus side (like Jacob's got the birthright, Jesus is also called the ultimate firstborn) and the nation of God, who are given to reign. Esau represents God's enemies. The saints will rule over them. Esau is used synonyously in the Bible with the name Edom - a nation who pursues others with swords, holds on to anger, will not forgive, "the strong city" which God decided to completely destroy.
The Bible teaches us to not proclaim who goes to heaven or hell - we don't know this, and it's not our job to say anyway (Romans 10:6-7), so ignore the bickering on the forum, God alone has the ultimate say. Look at apostle Paul's example, he was looking to murder God's people. Everybody would say he would end up in hell, and they would be wrong. Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. God destroys the old person and creates a new one and this is why we identify with Jesus' death and resurrection. So God is able to have people cross from the enemy's side to His and does this all the time. God loves us but hates our old evil nature - such cannot enter eternal life.
Jacob, after he was blessed, came to Esau and gave him many gifts and made friends with him in Jesus like manner, even though his brother tried to kill him earlier. The Bible says Esau gave up on revenge and was glad to be reunited with him, so I believe he had a change of heart. Doesn't it say "Esau I hated" - it is in the past... yet warning as an example to us...
I did not post for a long time, I feel really stressed out writing anything here, but felt the urge to write this for you and I hope it encourages you and comforts you...
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Another example.
And, Iam. I do agree with what Ben said in the first paragraph. Do be careful of what you read on here. After all, he included a post from someone he then claims he didn't know he disagreed with to prove his claim. It really does get confusing, and you are receiving good info and bad info, so please take the important info. Read Romans -- the entire book.
And, Iam. I do agree with what Ben said in the first paragraph. Do be careful of what you read on here. After all, he included a post from someone he then claims he didn't know he disagreed with to prove his claim. It really does get confusing, and you are receiving good info and bad info, so please take the important info. Read Romans -- the entire book.
Proverbs 6:16-19English Standard Version (ESV)
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
These are people bro.
16 There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked plans,
feet that make haste to run to evil,
19 a false witness who breathes out lies,
and one who sows discord among brothers.
These are people bro.
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I am really grateful you took the time to anwer, nice to meet you. I really liked this thing about God hating Esau in the past. This looks very important. Yes I want to believe Esau was converted, could be converted and forgiven! It is up to us and to God's Grace. Thank you so much it really did comfort me many many Blessings.
Interesting part of these threads is that those responding are reflecting what they believe to be a representation of how they got saved. Defending their experience to comfort themselves. This is a centuries old argument and will likely continue until the return of Christ.
To come to Christ one must first believe that they are a sinner and that God condemns sinners to the lake of fire for all of eternity. Why does one person fall on their face when confronted with their sin and another simply shrugs it off?
Before we are able to draw the proper application from the scripture we must establish the correct context of the scripture and gain a correct understanding of that verse in it's context. That understanding may conflict with our perceptions of how we experienced the teaching contained in the verse.
What great contradiction that God loves His creation and God hates sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
To come to Christ one must first believe that they are a sinner and that God condemns sinners to the lake of fire for all of eternity. Why does one person fall on their face when confronted with their sin and another simply shrugs it off?
Before we are able to draw the proper application from the scripture we must establish the correct context of the scripture and gain a correct understanding of that verse in it's context. That understanding may conflict with our perceptions of how we experienced the teaching contained in the verse.
What great contradiction that God loves His creation and God hates sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger