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We see many posts, on Christianchat, that go back and forth as to the proper understanding of Soteriology (The study of salvation). Many use the terms "Calvinism" or "Arminianism". This battle should be called "Free Grace vs. Free Will" and it has raged for Centuries. The ones who hold to "Free Grace", believe in the "Eternal Covenant of Grace". This covenant was foreshadowed, in the covenant with Abraham. They believe that salvation is all of God, set forth in Eternity. Those on the "Free Will" side, deny "Limited Atonement", "spiritual depravity" and attempt to place man's will on a par with God's in salvation.
What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:
The Sovereignty of God!
Those on the "Free Grace" side, do not kick against God's Sovereignty, they rejoice in it. Those who attempt to place mans "Free Will" in to the mix, must attempt to usurp God's Sovereignty, in order to dismantle the doctrine of ELECTION. This doctrine is the extension of the "Covenant of Grace, which was settled in Eternity before anything was created. The oft time complaint is, "God would never force His will on our will." Complete foolishness. He would and He does.
Let's test ourselves, to see if we be in the faith. (2 Cor. 13:15) Do we kick against Sovereignty or love it:
God's Sovereignty in Creation and His Sustaining it:
1) God is the Creator of all things. (Genesis)
2) God sustains His creation, moment by moment.
--- Isa 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which is coming out of it; he that is giving breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
--- Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
--- Col 1:15-16 who is the image of the invisible God (Christ), the firstborn of all creation; for in Him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (Note here that everything, including who is going to rule, who has authority and how things are governed, is included.)
God's Sovereignty in Providence:
1) God's eternal purpose is being worked out in time.
--- Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
--- Ecc 3:14-15 I know that, whatsoever God is doing, it shall be for ever: nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him. That which is has been long ago; and that which is to be has long ago been: and God is seeking again that which is passed away. (With God there is no past or future in eternity, just the ever present NOW. If we have the right concept of eternity, then this passage is easy to understand but if no proper understanding, a person reading this will be lost. Since nothing can be added and nothing can be lost, then in the case of the elect, the number saved is sure. Those adhering to "Free Grace" should rejoice at this assurance.)
--- Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
--- Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create calamity. I am Jehovah, that is doing all these things.
God's Sovereignty in our Birth:
--- Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?
--- Isa 44:2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
God's Sovereignty in Rulers:
--- Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
--- Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the watercourses: He is turning it wheresoever he will.
--- John 19:10-11 Pilate therefore saith unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have authority to release thee, and have authority to crucify thee? Jesus answered him, Thou would not have any authority against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath greater sin.
God's Sovereignty in Salvation:
1) God's sovereign Purpose:
--- Acts_26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
---Rom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
---Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that is calling,
---Ecc 11:5 As you are not knowing what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so you are not knowing the work of God who is doing it all.
2) God's Sovereign Election/Divine choice:
--- Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
---Col 1:12-14 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light; who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
---Rom 11:7 What then? That which Israel is looking for, that he obtained it not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened:
---1Th 1:4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election,
3) God's Sovereignty in Choice/Application:
---Rom 8:28-29 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, ( These first three points, Purpose, foreknowledge and predestination, are the direct results of God's eternal Love.). them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. ( The next three, Called, Justified and Glorified, are God's actions toward the Elect only.)
Finally, these verses should give all true believers reason to rejoice:
Rom 9:24-26 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.
For the only way that one can LOVE God, is in this way:
1Jn 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.
Could give more but out of room
What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:
The Sovereignty of God!
Those on the "Free Grace" side, do not kick against God's Sovereignty, they rejoice in it. Those who attempt to place mans "Free Will" in to the mix, must attempt to usurp God's Sovereignty, in order to dismantle the doctrine of ELECTION. This doctrine is the extension of the "Covenant of Grace, which was settled in Eternity before anything was created. The oft time complaint is, "God would never force His will on our will." Complete foolishness. He would and He does.
Let's test ourselves, to see if we be in the faith. (2 Cor. 13:15) Do we kick against Sovereignty or love it:
God's Sovereignty in Creation and His Sustaining it:
1) God is the Creator of all things. (Genesis)
2) God sustains His creation, moment by moment.
--- Isa 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which is coming out of it; he that is giving breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
--- Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
--- Col 1:15-16 who is the image of the invisible God (Christ), the firstborn of all creation; for in Him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (Note here that everything, including who is going to rule, who has authority and how things are governed, is included.)
God's Sovereignty in Providence:
1) God's eternal purpose is being worked out in time.
--- Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
--- Ecc 3:14-15 I know that, whatsoever God is doing, it shall be for ever: nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him. That which is has been long ago; and that which is to be has long ago been: and God is seeking again that which is passed away. (With God there is no past or future in eternity, just the ever present NOW. If we have the right concept of eternity, then this passage is easy to understand but if no proper understanding, a person reading this will be lost. Since nothing can be added and nothing can be lost, then in the case of the elect, the number saved is sure. Those adhering to "Free Grace" should rejoice at this assurance.)
--- Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
--- Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create calamity. I am Jehovah, that is doing all these things.
God's Sovereignty in our Birth:
--- Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?
--- Isa 44:2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.
God's Sovereignty in Rulers:
--- Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
--- Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the watercourses: He is turning it wheresoever he will.
--- John 19:10-11 Pilate therefore saith unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have authority to release thee, and have authority to crucify thee? Jesus answered him, Thou would not have any authority against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath greater sin.
God's Sovereignty in Salvation:
1) God's sovereign Purpose:
--- Acts_26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
---Rom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
---Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that is calling,
---Ecc 11:5 As you are not knowing what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so you are not knowing the work of God who is doing it all.
2) God's Sovereign Election/Divine choice:
--- Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
---Col 1:12-14 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light; who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
---Rom 11:7 What then? That which Israel is looking for, that he obtained it not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened:
---1Th 1:4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election,
3) God's Sovereignty in Choice/Application:
---Rom 8:28-29 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, ( These first three points, Purpose, foreknowledge and predestination, are the direct results of God's eternal Love.). them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. ( The next three, Called, Justified and Glorified, are God's actions toward the Elect only.)
Finally, these verses should give all true believers reason to rejoice:
Rom 9:24-26 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.
For the only way that one can LOVE God, is in this way:
1Jn 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.
Could give more but out of room
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We see many posts, on Christianchat, that go back and forth as to the proper understanding of Soteriology (The study of salvation). Many use the terms "Calvinism" or "Arminianism". This battle should be called "Free Grace vs. Free Will" and it has raged for Centuries. The ones who hold to "Free Grace", believe in the "Eternal Covenant of Grace". This covenant was foreshadowed, in the covenant with Abraham. They believe that salvation is all of God, set forth in Eternity. Those on the "Free Will" side, deny "Limited Atonement", "spiritual depravity" and attempt to place man's will on a par with God's in salvation.
What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:
The Sovereignty of God!////__
Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)
22. Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)
Arminianism is a branch of Calvinistic thinking, and it is wrong for all the same reasons that Calvinism is wrong.
Free Grace vs. Free Will" ( false dichotomy ) This is philosophy.
Eternal Covenant of Grace". ( made up )
Free will or lack thereof (or lack of a type of it, such as libertarian) is not a proper interpretive pre-consideration. Scriptural authority is the one and only concern, irrespective of the implications to man’s will. (Pro. 30:5)
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
. Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
. Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
. The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
. The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
God’s sovereignty in salvation means that he executes it in accordance with Scripture and not in accordance with Hindu Fatalism.
We see many posts, on Christianchat, that go back and forth as to the proper understanding of Soteriology (The study of salvation). Many use the terms "Calvinism" or "Arminianism". This battle should be called "Free Grace vs. Free Will" and it has raged for Centuries. The ones who hold to "Free Grace", believe in the "Eternal Covenant of Grace". This covenant was foreshadowed, in the covenant with Abraham. They believe that salvation is all of God, set forth in Eternity. Those on the "Free Will" side, deny "Limited Atonement", "spiritual depravity" and attempt to place man's will on a par with God's in salvation.
What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:
The Sovereignty of God!////__
Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)
22. Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)
Arminianism is a branch of Calvinistic thinking, and it is wrong for all the same reasons that Calvinism is wrong.
Free Grace vs. Free Will" ( false dichotomy ) This is philosophy.
Eternal Covenant of Grace". ( made up )
Free will or lack thereof (or lack of a type of it, such as libertarian) is not a proper interpretive pre-consideration. Scriptural authority is the one and only concern, irrespective of the implications to man’s will. (Pro. 30:5)
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
. When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.
. Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)
. Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).
. The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
. The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)
What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)
God’s sovereignty in salvation means that he executes it in accordance with Scripture and not in accordance with Hindu Fatalism.
Oh you should just say that. These doctrinal clich'es carry so much other baggage.
No that is not in the bible at all.
All things are summed up in Christ.
In the end people will be either guilty of wasting/despising the blood of Christ or they will confess with their mouths the lordship of Jesus over their lives, choosing it and living by it.
No that is not in the bible at all.
All things are summed up in Christ.
In the end people will be either guilty of wasting/despising the blood of Christ or they will confess with their mouths the lordship of Jesus over their lives, choosing it and living by it.
Two errors on both side of the path.
Both are wrong.
Three sides to every coin.
It is like saying the coin is only heads or the coin is only tails.
The will of God is understood when the coin lands and stand on edge in your mind.
Free will is true, but so is the grace of God that leads us to Christ.
Both are wrong.
Three sides to every coin.
It is like saying the coin is only heads or the coin is only tails.
The will of God is understood when the coin lands and stand on edge in your mind.
Free will is true, but so is the grace of God that leads us to Christ.
The will of man is not "FREE" it is encumbered. To have a free will one must not have any thing that can encumber his will. Many things keep man from exercising a "free" will. Such as Circumstances. Can a man in prison will himself out of it?
Man has a will and can exercise it in some respects but it is not free. If for no other reason, in that God can overrule his will and according to Scripture, often times does. The fact that his creation does not like this fact is irrelevant to that truth. My objection, would be the same as the Apostle Paul's Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
Only God has a free will. If man tries to elevate his will to God's or thinks he can limit God as to what He wants to do, then his god is not God.
So a slave can not choose to be free if presented the opportunity?
Redunklus!
No rom 9:20 speaks to a man who chooses not to follow Christ.
Saying God made me knowing what I would be.
So he blames God for making him.
But God made us all in Adam so that he might have those who He knew would choose freedom in Christ Jesus given the chance.
"I place before you life and death, Choose life!"
God desires every man to come unto repentance.... Has the free will of God failed?
No.
So how do you explain that Gods will for all men to come to Christ has failed?
Why would god choose some and not others, did he not want them?
Where they somehow better or worthy of being chosen or is God just choosing at random with care?
Welcome to the arrogant errors of the doctrines of men apart from the word of God itself.
Redunklus!
No rom 9:20 speaks to a man who chooses not to follow Christ.
Saying God made me knowing what I would be.
So he blames God for making him.
But God made us all in Adam so that he might have those who He knew would choose freedom in Christ Jesus given the chance.
"I place before you life and death, Choose life!"
God desires every man to come unto repentance.... Has the free will of God failed?
No.
So how do you explain that Gods will for all men to come to Christ has failed?
Why would god choose some and not others, did he not want them?
Where they somehow better or worthy of being chosen or is God just choosing at random with care?
Welcome to the arrogant errors of the doctrines of men apart from the word of God itself.
Lion 222 said, Why would god choose some and not others, did he not want them?
Where they somehow better or worthy of being chosen or is God just choosing at random with care?
Welcome to the arrogant errors of the doctrines of men apart from the word of God itself.
That answer resides squarely in Romans 9 with the potter and the clay
Also, the idea of irresistible grace resides within the simple idea that nothing that God does comes back to Him Void. It really is that simple, unless one has an ax to grind in their theology.
Isa 55:11 so shall my word be that is going forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Where they somehow better or worthy of being chosen or is God just choosing at random with care?
Welcome to the arrogant errors of the doctrines of men apart from the word of God itself.
That answer resides squarely in Romans 9 with the potter and the clay
Also, the idea of irresistible grace resides within the simple idea that nothing that God does comes back to Him Void. It really is that simple, unless one has an ax to grind in their theology.
Isa 55:11 so shall my word be that is going forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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You say that as if God did not give them all knowing their free will choice when God created man.
Instead you take one verse over the rest.
God wants all to come to repentance does He not?
If so has Gods will failed?
In your understanding it must have failed because it does not depend on the will of man and his Choice when presented freedom in Christ though his defeating sin and death.
Instead you take one verse over the rest.
God wants all to come to repentance does He not?
If so has Gods will failed?
In your understanding it must have failed because it does not depend on the will of man and his Choice when presented freedom in Christ though his defeating sin and death.
Tell me did Jesus die to defeat sin and death as a whole?
Or did he just die to partly defeat it for a few people?
Limited atonement they call it. Laughable.
Seriously his death made the way for any and every one.
Without that our will or desire or striving means nothing.
With that it means everything.
Everyone enslaved to sin was presented with the option of freedom that day.
Those who believe since Adam had their hope set on Him and His victory.
But some remaining trapped in there own sin and unregenerate needed a gospel that allowed for that to continue and still be saved.
Because if it is by God choice they have nothing to do and can continue in their filth without a care or a worry.
Secure in the false knowledge that will lead them to hear "Depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness (AKA sin).
Same roots of the OSAS lie and a number of other errors that deny one part of the word of God for a twisted view of a favorite verses they think somehow negates the rest and supports there positions of free grace to sin all they want without any cause to fear because they "say they believe".
But like the man who burred his coin they are lacking in their labors.
Jesus will find their works incomplete in in the sight of His God. - see Rev 2
Their religion is made worthless through the doctrines of men and has robbed them of the hope of salvation that is ours to choose and lay hold of in Christ.
Like the man who buried his coin they think they know but they fear not, so they labor not. But we who fear God know better and have a true hope and are purifying ourselves according to obedience with repentance and obedience to the faith and Lordship of Christ.
Such are false gospels, robbing would be believers of the truth and the fullness of salvation available to them though there subjection of themselves to the Lordship of Christ Jesus in practice.
Rejecting the very purpose of the Gospel, which is our Godliness and holiness, which is the life of God that is eternal and without which no one will see God.
Or did he just die to partly defeat it for a few people?
Limited atonement they call it. Laughable.
Seriously his death made the way for any and every one.
Without that our will or desire or striving means nothing.
With that it means everything.
Everyone enslaved to sin was presented with the option of freedom that day.
Those who believe since Adam had their hope set on Him and His victory.
But some remaining trapped in there own sin and unregenerate needed a gospel that allowed for that to continue and still be saved.
Because if it is by God choice they have nothing to do and can continue in their filth without a care or a worry.
Secure in the false knowledge that will lead them to hear "Depart from me I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness (AKA sin).
Same roots of the OSAS lie and a number of other errors that deny one part of the word of God for a twisted view of a favorite verses they think somehow negates the rest and supports there positions of free grace to sin all they want without any cause to fear because they "say they believe".
But like the man who burred his coin they are lacking in their labors.
Jesus will find their works incomplete in in the sight of His God. - see Rev 2
Their religion is made worthless through the doctrines of men and has robbed them of the hope of salvation that is ours to choose and lay hold of in Christ.
Like the man who buried his coin they think they know but they fear not, so they labor not. But we who fear God know better and have a true hope and are purifying ourselves according to obedience with repentance and obedience to the faith and Lordship of Christ.
Such are false gospels, robbing would be believers of the truth and the fullness of salvation available to them though there subjection of themselves to the Lordship of Christ Jesus in practice.
Rejecting the very purpose of the Gospel, which is our Godliness and holiness, which is the life of God that is eternal and without which no one will see God.
If God wanted "all" to come to repentance, then all will come to repentance. Dan 4:35 affirms that God accomplishes his will, and none can stay his hand (by their will overriding his will). The natural man, before he is regenerated, will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he does not understand, and thinks it to be foolishness. The only ones that will repent are those that have had their heart exchanged from a stony heart to a fleshy heart that can be pricked to feel guilty. Repenting of a sin is not the cause of eternal deliverance, but is the product of already having been given the promised inheritance.
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What you, and most all of God's regenerated children, do not understand is that, If you have a will or desire or striving for things of the Spirit, you have already been quickened to a new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, if not, you would think that spiritual things are foolishness, because you could not understand them.
Christ's death on the cross atoned for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him, and he will raise everyone of them up at the last day, without the loss of even one.
Christ's death on the cross atoned for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him, and he will raise everyone of them up at the last day, without the loss of even one.
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Sure Gods word and will are Gods word and will.
But God being who God is does not violate our word and will but in fact multiplies our choices.
It was Pharaoh who first hardened his heart
after that God hardened Pharaohs heart.
it was Mary who chose the better thing then Martha and it would not be denied to her.
See how God works his will withing our choices?
But God being who God is does not violate our word and will but in fact multiplies our choices.
It was Pharaoh who first hardened his heart
after that God hardened Pharaohs heart.
it was Mary who chose the better thing then Martha and it would not be denied to her.
See how God works his will withing our choices?
It seems that I have read in one of your posts that you believe in keeping scripture verses in context. That said, in order to keep 2 Pet 3:9 in context, we have to go back to the first verse in chapter 1, where it says Peter is talking to "them that have obtained like precious faith". Peter even includes himself in his warning to them, by using the word "us-ward". telling them that God is not willing that any of them (that have obtained like precious faith) should perish (perish = death= separation from fellowship with God), but that all (with like precious faith) should come to repentance (because God will not fellowship with sin).
After we have been born again, we still carry the baggage of our sinful nature, and have a warfare within us of our fleshly nature against our new spiritual nature, as Paul explains in Romans 7:23. Many times we lose the battle to the desires of our fleshly nature, which requires us to have to repent to regain our fellowship with God.
After we have been born again, we still carry the baggage of our sinful nature, and have a warfare within us of our fleshly nature against our new spiritual nature, as Paul explains in Romans 7:23. Many times we lose the battle to the desires of our fleshly nature, which requires us to have to repent to regain our fellowship with God.
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You ignore everything that challenges your Idolology.
For you Jesus only partially defeated sin and death.
Why He defeated it was for those who would believe, Yes.
But it was defeated for all as a result.
He opened the door to all who would.
That is why.
Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
The thirst of man and the desire of man causes him to respond to the call.
That part of man that was made for and intended for God and Created by God still exists and is dying of thirst for God though he fill it with all kinds of sin. They are all broken cisterns that have no such water to satisfy the soul of man.
The Spirit and the Bride and those who hear all call them to come and have their thirst and desire satisfied fully and freely.
But the elect are elect right there is no need for anyone to call them to choose and turn their desire to Christ to fulfill that thirst.
Not if you believe as you do, their choice their repentance is forced on them, the love of God is forced on them against their will.
Much like being raped.
It is such a disgusting idolology, maligning the character of God
His grace is so good it is hard to resist, Yes. Still most of the world will resist it because it is their choice, they love their sin and choose the darkness even when shown the light and called to come.
The scriptures say taste and see, the Lord is Good.
God has provided everything come and find out for yourself.
Yes, God may choose you knocking your dumb ass off your horse and making you blind, calling you out like a foolish child and making you wise to who He really is!
But you still must choose to go against your way and go His way if you want to not be a blind fool.
But that is what many do after seeing the light they choose to close their eyes and be blind to it.
But God knows who would respond to such a blow and choose Him freely once they know the truth of their blindness.
He does not go to such extremes with those who would not or everyone would be going around physically blinded to match there spiritual blindness.
For you Jesus only partially defeated sin and death.
Why He defeated it was for those who would believe, Yes.
But it was defeated for all as a result.
He opened the door to all who would.
That is why.
Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
The thirst of man and the desire of man causes him to respond to the call.
That part of man that was made for and intended for God and Created by God still exists and is dying of thirst for God though he fill it with all kinds of sin. They are all broken cisterns that have no such water to satisfy the soul of man.
The Spirit and the Bride and those who hear all call them to come and have their thirst and desire satisfied fully and freely.
But the elect are elect right there is no need for anyone to call them to choose and turn their desire to Christ to fulfill that thirst.
Not if you believe as you do, their choice their repentance is forced on them, the love of God is forced on them against their will.
Much like being raped.
It is such a disgusting idolology, maligning the character of God
His grace is so good it is hard to resist, Yes. Still most of the world will resist it because it is their choice, they love their sin and choose the darkness even when shown the light and called to come.
The scriptures say taste and see, the Lord is Good.
God has provided everything come and find out for yourself.
Yes, God may choose you knocking your dumb ass off your horse and making you blind, calling you out like a foolish child and making you wise to who He really is!
But you still must choose to go against your way and go His way if you want to not be a blind fool.
But that is what many do after seeing the light they choose to close their eyes and be blind to it.
But God knows who would respond to such a blow and choose Him freely once they know the truth of their blindness.
He does not go to such extremes with those who would not or everyone would be going around physically blinded to match there spiritual blindness.