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MidniteWelder

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The left hand was only used for unclean purposes and there was a penalty of ten days penance for using your left hand. So if someone struck you on the cheek they used their right hand which would land on your left cheek, so if you turned the other cheek so that your right cheek was facing them, they couldn't hit you.
You can still turn your cheek while holding your firearm, and they likely wont hit you then either ;)
 

iog

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My friend, this is something some of us are trying to help others understand,
Our Police officers and Our Military have been given Authority to carry guns yes.
But what is not being understood is that the Supreme Law of our land called the Constitution which governs them has given every Authority for its resident citizens to carry guns to govern the government because our Founding Fathers were wise enough to have the foresight of seeing the possibility of corruption taking over the Govt.
It is the governments agenda to incorrectly brainwash people into thinking the people dont have this right so it may then effectively disarm US citizens.
When Govt goes bad. It is The people as dictated by the Govts own laws which the supreme courts uphold, our Authority as US citizens to then Police the Govt. Its a very well thought out and effective system....IF the people participate.
A US citizen needs to first educate themself of the laws of their own country before arguing against the cold hard truth of the fact that it is actually the people who police the nation when the Governemnt who is appointed to protect them no longer does.
One downfall has been not educating the public with the proper use of firearms until people think guns are just for police and military.
I ask, who then polices those agencies?
The answer, us, we the people by the people of the country were so proud to live in.
But if some are no longer proud of their own nation, this would be so when nobody enforces their rights.
WE ARE the Authority over our Govt, how difficult is this to understand
the trouble is the people "if the people participate"

yet all this don't matter because the Lord determines the outcome

Daniel 2:21
And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
 

iog

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so the Lord allowed Satan to use nature to destroy Job's possessions.

keep in mind the Lord allowed it.

God removed the hedges

wee all have hedges watching over us
 

iog

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The Lord destroyed Egypt and nations by sending angels

what will your weapon do against a spirit being?

Ps 78
43 How he had wrought his signs in Egypt, and his wonders in the field of Zoan.

44 And had turned their rivers into blood; and their floods, that they could not drink.

45 He sent divers sorts of flies among them, which devoured them; and frogs, which destroyed them.

46 He gave also their increase unto the caterpiller, and their labour unto the locust.

47 He destroyed their vines with hail, and their sycomore trees with frost.

48 He gave up their cattle also to the hail, and their flocks to hot thunderbolts.

49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

51 And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:
 
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iog and PS are really making stupid comments.

How can you reason with stupidity?
 

PS

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iog and PS are really making stupid comments.

How can you reason with stupidity?
What I am saying is to give up the things of this world, which guns most certainly are. The concept of rejecting the world and following Christ is totally scriptural.
 

iog

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iog and PS are really making stupid comments.

How can you reason with stupidity?
do you always attack personally or are you trying to convince others your opinion supersedes Jesus words
 

iog

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Psalm 10:2
The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined

Isaiah 32:7
The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
 

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Matthew 8:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

he is a man under authority,
he came to the Lord believing the Lord would heal his servants
he had faith in Jesus, this man under authority to defend and kill.


as far as the thread its a choice

personally i don't think Christians need a gun if they believe that the Lord is capable of protecting them and I have put enough verses to support this.

police officers and military this is their job they are under authority

the christian that is not under authority to carry a gun who do you need a gun for if you are a servant of God.

as the hedges were around Job they should be around us.

when the Lord remove the hedge around Job did he go get a weapon?

the Lord allowed his family to be wiped out and Job did not go get a weapon.
Job 1: 18 While he was still speaking, yet another messenger came and said, "Your sons and daughters were feasting and drinking wine at the oldest brother's house, 19 when suddenly a mighty wind swept in from the desert and struck the four corners of the house. It collapsed on them and they are dead, and I am the only one who has escaped to tell you!"

What weapon do you suppose Job could have been tempted with to protect his family from a mighty wind?

Are you really saying that you would allow your family to be wiped out by criminals and you would do nothing to stop them?
 
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BarlyGurl

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do you always attack personally or are you trying to convince others your opinion supersedes Jesus words
I notice that beside making poor/illogical/rediculous arguement, you don't know the difference between saying "your comments are stupid" vs. "you are stupid". Those who rightly divide the word... need no convincing from anyone else.
 
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Thanson1975

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Funny how one verse is used to beat out that whole love thing that Jesus was talking about.
 
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peterT

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They LOVE the Second Amendment in the United States, an individual right to possess and carry firearms.

Even some Christians LOVE the Second Amendment.

I think, if you try to take their guns from them they would fight with guns for that Second Amendment. Because they LOVE the Second Amendment.

I could just see some American Christians fighting for the right to possess and carry firearms.

John 11:35 Jesus wept


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zone

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...........really making stupid comments.
How can you reason with stupidity?
internet forums are abuzz with new members talking about gun control.
jes sayin.
 

zone

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They LOVE the Second Amendment in the United States, an individual right to possess and carry firearms.

Even some Christians LOVE the Second Amendment.

I think, if you try to take their guns from them they would fight with guns for that Second Amendment. Because they LOVE the Second Amendment.

I could just see some American Christians fighting for the right to possess and carry firearms.

John 11:35 Jesus wept


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hi Peter.
are we in Syria right now? why?
why did we go to Iraq? any idea?
what did we do in Libya? why?
are we FOR nuking Iran? why?

i'm antiwar.
right now.

figure it out.
 
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peterT

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hi Peter.
are we in Syria right now? why?
why did we go to Iraq? any idea?
what did we do in Libya? why?
are we FOR nuking Iran? why?

i'm antiwar.
right now.

figure it out.
Not sure what you mean Zone

When you say “WE” do you mean Americans?

Because “WE” Christians wrestle not against flesh and blood

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

And “WE” Christians are not a friend of this world.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

But you are welcome to try to explain yourself if you like
 

zone

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Not sure what you mean Zone

When you say “WE” do you mean Americans?

Because “WE” Christians wrestle not against flesh and blood

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

And “WE” Christians are not a friend of this world.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

But you are welcome to try to explain yourself if you like
if you as a christian believe in and teach a future 1,000 'kingdom', you are contributing to all those wars [which is one big war, about to get bigger].

i don't mean you're aware of it peter....but this wouldn't be happening without the leaven of Dispensational Theology.

but all things must come to pass.

you're big on the wheat and the tares....

figure it out.
 
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MidniteWelder

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What I am saying is to give up the things of this world, which guns most certainly are. The concept of rejecting the world and following Christ is totally scriptural.
I'll make a deal with ya PS.
If the Govt wishes its citizens to suddenly and unjustifiably with no cause(they arent Christian so they cant claim that reason for peace and harmony, by peace the enemy will decieve)
If you get the Govt to give up their guns I will give up mine.
They go first
Or Samesies timesies Even
1.2.3. GO!!!!
 

zone

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I'll make a deal with ya PS.
If the Govt wishes its citizens to suddenly and unjustifiably with no cause(they arent Christian so they cant claim that reason for peace and harmony, by peace the enemy will decieve)
If you get the Govt to give up their guns I will give up mine.
They go first
Or Samesies timesies Even
1.2.3. GO!!!!


rock
scissors
paper!
 
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MidniteWelder

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internet forums are abuzz with new members talking about gun control.
jes sayin.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah, very verrrrrrry interesting.
Good perception Zone.
Ok fine, I relinquish my weapons
All 2 of them
My Chipmonk .22 bolt action rifle
and my Red rider BB gun
But I expect to be compensated market value for them
The Red Rider is a collectors item before they even made the collectors edition 50th anniversary model
I may need to use the money to buy Gas for one last jaunt in my truck, to go for a ummm campin trip :)
There...are all y'all happy
We can all live in peace now
But dont come cryin to me when Big Brother wants to take our houses and use them to house citizen patrol troops while they flush us into 1 room 3 or 4 story housing complexes and ration our water.