God or Guns?

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99caravan

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Incidentally, I grew up hunting and trapping, so I had a variety of rifles, .22cal up to .308 rifle and several shotguns, no handguns... all for hunting and recreational target shooting.
 

zone

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most gun advocate are not suffering for the sake of Jesus or his word
you mean most GENTILES are not suffering for the sake of Jesus or His words?
what does IOG mean btw?

are you another British-Israelism operative? < everywhere on the www right now < read: ISRAEL

there's ONE country pushing all this. that ONE country will hold all power, and control all weapons - WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM?
that one country is operating for the time being out of a SINGLE SQUARE MILE...with other SQUARE MILES as subordinates.

QUESTION:
forgetting the word GUN for now.

you're walking down the street and an elderly woman is having her skull cracked open by a deranged punk..

what do you do since you're the only one around, and you are face to face with the guy?

tell me.

do you walk away and suffer for Jesus' sake?
 
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iog

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this is called handling the word of God deceitfully.
Use a context that talks about self defense if thats the intent.
Or you may as well use quotes from goldilocks.
Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)



Definition of MEEK



1
: enduring injury with patience and without resentment : mild


2
: deficient in spirit and courage : submissive


3
: not violent or strong : moderate

Meek - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
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Abiding

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Hebrews 11 is about faith in God and his word in which these people died

what we have today is the faith in a weapon to protect marterial wealth and family?

it is written

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

any room left for anything else

no exception

if you love the Lord Jesus said keep his commandments

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.


most gun advocate are not suffering for the sake of Jesus or his word
You missed the point. Which was your boast of a hedge around u because of your faith, which
im telling you you are misapropriating. I just am tired of bad theology in this thread. And now you
are misrepresenting Jesus commands.
 
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psychomom

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Is it true that American Christians? blew up an abortion clinic and killed a doctor?
now how would you, or I, or anyone but God know
if 'Christians' did such a thing?
how could I possibly know the hearts of others? :confused:

why do you insist on making such ridiculous generalizations?
certain wicked ones do things 'in the Name of Jesus', to their shame.

it's not like it's anything new.
ever heard of the Inquisition?
 
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psychomom

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btw---no guns inolved in The Inquisition.
does that make it all better?
 

iog

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you mean most GENTILES are not suffering for the sake of Jesus or His words?
what doe IOG mean btw?

are you another British-Israelism operative?

QUESTION:
forgetting the word GUN for now.

you're walking down the street and an elderly woman is having her skull cracked open by a deranged punk..

what do you do since you're the only one around, and you are face to face with the guy?

tell me.


do you walk away and suffer for Jesus' sake?

call the police!!! so they can do there job , I don't need ot take the law into my own hands we have the law to do this

when it happens I will post it, it won't happen because the Lord is with me.

what does iog means?

iog
 
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Abiding

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Numbers 12:3
(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)



Definition of MEEK



1
: enduring injury with patience and without resentment : mild


2
: deficient in spirit and courage : submissive


3
: not violent or strong : moderate

Meek - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Ill tell u again that u should quit cherrypicking statements from the bible that are not designed
or even imply what your using them for.

Go glean the whole council of God on protecting yourself and your family.
But watch out it may liken u to a infidel.
 

PS

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now how would you, or I, or anyone but God know
if 'Christians' did such a thing?
how could I possibly know the hearts of others? :confused:

why do you insist on making such ridiculous generalizations?
certain wicked ones do things 'in the Name of Jesus', to their shame.

it's not like it's anything new.
ever heard of the Inquisition?
That's what I tell them, I say they aren't real Christians, and then I see Christians on here
with apparently murderous intents, and to be honest I cannot tell the difference.
 

iog

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You missed the point. Which was your boast of a hedge around u because of your faith, which
im telling you you are misapropriating. I just am tired of bad theology in this thread. And now you
are misrepresenting Jesus commands.

it not that, its because oyu have never read these verses in this manner concerning this subject
you can;t be tired of it because you continue posting.

the verses and scriptures i put is straight from the bible and it shows that the gun advocate doctrine is not Godly!!!


Job 1:9-11

King James Version (KJV)

9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.



do you not understand how the Lord operates

try getting his hedges around you and you won't need a GUN>

trust in God

this is the problem
 

iog

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Ill tell u again that u should quit cherrypicking statements from the bible that are not designed
or even imply what your using them for.

Go glean the whole council of God on protecting yourself and your family.
But watch out it may liken u to a infidel.

you never knew these verses were in the bible and if you uinderstood them you would not say this
because it is against your wishes you want them to be not used.

well if you think they are not correct put verses that say otherwise.

just do it or stop posting to this topic.
 

zone

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You would prove is that violence is epidemic which we know anyway. Don't you think as Christians we should be looking for solutions?
preach Christ crucified.

and protect your family.
and mind your own business.

your little square mile has ruined my nation.
and it's working hard at taking down the late great America.

Second Amendment Hypocrites: Senators Schumer and Feinstein Pack Heat

At the same time, there are outspoken opponents of gun ownership, such as Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Diane Feinstein (D-CA), who are carrying concealed weapons, according to WABC Radio's Mark Levin. Levin, a recognized constitutional expert, heads the Landmark Legal Foundation. The LLF's goal is to protect American's from unreasonable and illegal government intrusions and violations of the US Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
FederalObserver

not AMERICAN citizens first.
odd, that.
 
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psychomom

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*sigh*

I'm going to go make my delightful husband
(who would protect the children and me with his very life)
some french toast.

with my very dangerous fry pan! :)
 
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emmab00

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Guns rights are typically about a protection of property and of personal safety.

I can guarantee you Jesus would never say use a gun against someone in the name of material goods.

As for personal protection, one of our commandments is though shalt not kill. Jesus suffered death before he brought that kind of suffering to the world.

I don't believe people should not have the right to carry weapons.

I do, however, believe that Christians in all cases would choose not to use them.
 
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99caravan

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Does anyone remember back a few years ago when all those cheap c grade armageddon christian movies were made where every person everywhere in american was a gun toting vigilante? I wouldn't want that for any Christian nation. I remember going to Cuba, a communist country and airport personnel carrying handguns and assault rifles and thinking... wow this must be a really bad place for crime, coming from Canada where no one anywhere carries a gun, except for cops. I think as Christians, all of you americans should personally not own a gun. We know who we are, who we worship, where we go when we die with absolute certainty. All of the apostles died horrificly for their testimony of Jesus Christ. Freedom is the right to walk and go anywhere, do whatever you do in freedom and not fear. Our fate is in His hands and set examples for your children... let them know America is a free country where kids can walk on the streets without fear, or some punk kid stealing his parents guns and shooting him.
 

zone

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That's what I tell them, I say they aren't real Christians, and then I see Christians on here with apparently murderous intents, and to be honest I cannot tell the difference.
sigh.
why do i have to keep finding out who you guys are?
brb...
 
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Abiding

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it not that, its because oyu have never read these verses in this manner concerning this subject
you can;t be tired of it because you continue posting.

the verses and scriptures i put is straight from the bible and it shows that the gun advocate doctrine is not Godly!!!


Job 1:9-11

King James Version (KJV)

9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.



do you not understand how the Lord operates

try getting his hedges around you and you won't need a GUN>

trust in God

this is the problem
First of all i didnt say i was tired of posting. I said i was tired of bad theology.
And the more posts i read of yours the more tired i get. Im fine with you making
your choice and talking your stand by your conscience....thats all good.
But you dont have the right IMO to use the bible wrongly to drive YOUR position.
 

iog

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answer this question: WILL YOU STAND BY AND WATCH AN INNOCENT KID BE KICKED TO DEATH BY A PUNK GANG FOR JESUS?

call the police

no I won't stand by I will call the police !!!!

I will call the biggest Gang there is

The Police or the Miltary

I will not go blasting heads off
 
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you never knew these verses were in the bible and if you uinderstood them you would not say this
because it is against your wishes you want them to be not used.

well if you think they are not correct put verses that say otherwise.

just do it or stop posting to this topic.

Say what? me thinks u need to decompress some:rolleyes: