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Exactly. Yet, you deny that Jesus will ever make such a judgment. Why do you deny Scripture?



Actually, Jesus isn’t speaking to the devil or his angels in those verses, but to people.
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
What part of "prepared for the devil and his angels" do you not understand?
 

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So Jesus wasnt judgmental but will become judgmental. That must mean He changes in spite of scripture saying He doesn't.
Me? When Jesus says He doesn't judge him, I would wager He doesn't judge him. Jesus doesn't lie.


are you not aware of the purposes of the TWO COMINGS of Yeshua?

the first was to bring us the Gospel and to invite the Gentiles into the fold.

the second coming is as the King of KINGS and He will then Judge.

you need to understand the purposes of Christs coming to earth!!
 
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You need to seriously study about the judgment:

Judgment Before the Great White Throne

Rev. 20:11-14 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

God is not going to resurrect people just to toss them into a lake of fire. Study Isa. 65, after the new heavens and new earth are mentioned. That is a picture of the White Throne Judgment. :cool:
It says death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. No mention of a person being cast. In Matthew it tells you who is found guilty
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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are you not aware of the purposes of the TWO COMINGS of Yeshua?

the first was to bring us the Gospel and to invite the Gentiles into the fold.

the second coming is as the King of KINGS and He will then Judge.

you need to understand the purposes of Christs coming to earth!!
Of course I understand. I can read. It is simply stated. Over and over

Romans 11
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 

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Of course I understand. I can read. It is simply stated. Over and over

Romans 11
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


the Great White Throne judgment is where the wages of sin [dead people] go before God.

the Bible states EVERY KNEE shall bow before Him!!

how can every knee bow that ever lived and died unless they face Him during judgement?
 
I know you don't understand that passage. Because you haven't take the simply stated by Him to heart.
He is talking about two different beings
We are His own and we received Him not. We are the children of God
Non of us not us fit the description in verse 13 yet. Only Jesus does.
When He returns then we will be raised and made new.
Only those who believe the Gospel and are born again are children of God.
 
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It seems you’re more enthralled with the idea that everyone will be saved than you are with what the Bible says.
Only because it is simply stated over and over and over.
I used to be a hell preacher. Then I read the Book.

1 Cor 4
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

You refuse to comment on any of these simply stated verses. So it appears that you fall into the description above brother.
I post the evidence that is overwhelming to the point that it is obvious the devil has blinded you.
Can you question this one verse or will you ignore me and continue to insult unjustly.
 
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Jesus takes away the sins of the world, but that is only if a person gives up their sins, and accepts Jesus, and the true God, for if they hold unto their sins then how can Jesus take it away.

Jesus provided salvation but that is only to people that accept Him, and want to give up their sins, which we see many people do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, so if they do not believe He is Lord and Savior, then how can their sins be washed away if they do not believe Jesus can wash away their sins, and if they hold unto sin then how can Jesus take away what they hold unto.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If we hold unto sin even when we confess Christ, then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away, for God will not take away what we hold unto, then it is on our record.
 
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the Great White Throne judgment is where the wages of sin [dead people] go before God.

the Bible states EVERY KNEE shall bow before Him!!

how can every knee bow that ever lived and died unless they face Him during judgement?
Its not hard to bow. And they do it before judgment. Bow and praise Him that is.
 
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Jesus takes away the sins of the world, but that is only if a person gives up their sins, and accepts Jesus, and the true God, for if they hold unto their sins then how can Jesus take it away.

Jesus provided salvation but that is only to people that accept Him, and want to give up their sins, which we see many people do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, so if they do not believe He is Lord and Savior, then how can their sins be washed away if they do not believe Jesus can wash away their sins, and if they hold unto sin then how can Jesus take away what they hold unto.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If we hold unto sin even when we confess Christ, then the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away, for God will not take away what we hold unto, then it is on our record.
Who gives up their sins.
Every one is a sinner.
So you are right.
Everyone needs saving.
 

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have you ever read this passage of scripture that pertains to the Great White Throne Judgement...DEPART FROM ME, I never knew YOU!!

you know how your pastor gives an altar call and recites another passage of scripture: if you are ashamed of Me before men, I will be ashamed of you before the Father!!

it's quite obvious that Yeshua will be casting sinners into the Lake of Fire.
not because He wants to, but because they never repented, were ashamed of Yeshua, never confessed Yeshua before men, and will hear Yeshua say, DEPART FROM ME FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU!!

STOP cherry picking the Bible!!
 

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Do you think you can just muscle your way in here and hijack my thread? : )
As I have been saying over and over. This is about the verses I posted appearing to say all peoples are saved.

And in my eyes, because I speak English clearly, and I study them, they simply state all peoples are saved. And you appear to agree but change it to fit your theology of it meaning or speaking of just some. Yet they are clearly worded so that there can be no mistaking. All is all. The whole world is the whole world. All peoples means everybody. You have to completely ignore the Lords simply stated verses in order to have the theology you have. Seriously. What loving rational Christian would deny Jesus's simply stated word.
And I came in here to tell you that you are wrong and that your teaching that "everyone will be saved" is a false teaching. Only those who have faith in Christ will be saved. You're not paying attention to the other scriptures. All of those promises are to those who have will have received Christ and only them. What do you think happens to those who worship the beast and receive his mark? Do you think that they will be saved? Scripture already answers that question with a resounding "NO!" Go read what the second angel has to say about this in Revelation 14.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men unto me.
All men = those who respond to God's in-birthing of faith regarding His Son.

I completely agree that only believers are saved. That every Knee shall bow in the end and all will praise God as it is simply written. How is the fear of eternal damnation helping you with your sins? That scare tactic isn't working. Most people shun the whole thing because it's obvious that a loving God that would cast children He made into eternal punish is an evil Satan and the religion is completely contradictive.
I'll answer the above with scripture from Jesus Himself speaking to His disciples and all believers;

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." - Matt.10:28

As for me, I fear God and at the same time I know that because I have received Christ, that I have been credited with righteousness and have been reconciled to God. Since you asked, I am always conscious of my actions keeping my body under control and glorifying God by keeping my body and actions pure. If I fail at anytime, i.e. commit sin, I confess my sins and He is faithful and just to forgive me my sins and to cleanse me of all unrighteousness, just as the Lord does for every true believer. Anyone who attempts to take advantage of God's grace by willfully continuing in sin does so at His own peril. The Lord knows those who belong to Him.

So much so that it is perplexing how people can be so self righteous while yet still sinners and think they are saved solely because they claim to believe. When Jesus said simply:

If you believe, keep my commands. So in all reality, sinners cant be real believers and need saving just as much as those who just outright reject it. Repent then be baptized. Let he who is without sin cast the first child into the lake.
First of all, the "commands" listed in the scripture above are not speaking about the Torah i.e. law of Moses. Below are the commandments that He is speaking of:

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."

Anyone who trusts in the keeping of the law, the ten commandments, abstaining from foods, observing the Sabbath on a particular day, as requirements for salvation will not inherit the kingdom of God. Anyone who brings in other requirements for salvation along side of the Lord's sacrifice, is basically saying to the Lord, "Your sacrifice is insufficient." Trusting in ones own efforts will keep them out of the kingdom of God.

I don't think you understand the difference between the true believer who is keeping in step with the Holy Spirit vs. those who claiming to be in Christ and living according to the sinful nature.

But getting back to the issue, not all people are going to be saved. Only those who receive Christ as Lord and savior and are trusting in Him for their salvation. Those who have died in their sins from the beginning of history, the faithless, those never receiving Christ, when they die their spirits will depart from the body and will go into Sheol/Hades, like the rich man, and will be there in torment in flame until the end of the thousand years, where at which time they will stand before God at the great white throne judgment only to be thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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It seems you do not, unfortunately. I hope you will continue to study Scripture.
Ok. But only because you hope I will. <that's a joke.

I am a rational man with the ability and a dictionary to understand the simply stated that even a grade schooler could understand.
I also know those that cant see the simple truth are blinded by the devil and I don't judge them.
I expect to see comments like yours as Jesus spoke in detail about such people and why they cant see.

1 Cor 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

It is just so easy that a evil power has to be involved to make it appear to say anything other than what it simply says.
 
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have you ever read this passage of scripture that pertains to the Great White Throne Judgement...DEPART FROM ME, I never knew YOU!!

you know how your pastor gives an altar call and recites another passage of scripture: if you are ashamed of Me before men, I will be ashamed of you before the Father!!

it's quite obvious that Yeshua will be casting sinners into the Lake of Fire.
not because He wants to, but because they never repented, were ashamed of Yeshua, never confessed Yeshua before men, and will hear Yeshua say, DEPART FROM ME FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU!!

STOP cherry picking the Bible!!
I don't cherry pick unless I need to pull a motor out of my truck.
I do post on subject and that is a completely different thing that you
obviously have a problem with.


2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Let me guess.. You don't think Gods will is going to be done?
 
Ok. But only because you hope I will. <that's a joke.

I am a rational man with the ability and a dictionary to understand the simply stated that even a grade schooler could understand.
I also know those that cant see the simple truth are blinded by the devil and I don't judge them.
I expect to see comments like yours as Jesus spoke in detail about such people and why they cant see.

1 Cor 15
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

It is just so easy that a evil power has to be involved to make it appear to say anything other than what it simply says.
Who did Paul say the Gospel was hidden from?

And who is it that would suggest that sharing the Gospel isn’t actually important? Those who understand that faith in Christ (which is necessary for salvation) comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God? Or those who believe that no matter what a person believes or doesn’t believe, they are going to be saved anyway?

I ask you again, why is Scripture so clear about the importance of sharing the Gospel if people don’t actually need to hear and believe it to be saved?
 

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It says it in the next verse
6 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
What that say brother is:
God loves the world. Not just some of it. Or it would say what part of it. "God so loved those that believed in the Son" It doesn't say that. If GOd sent the Son to save the world, you can bank on the world being saved.
Thank You for your reply.
But in your mind, does John 3:16 wash all the verses I posted that simply state all mankind are saved therefore negating removing them from the Bible or ignoring them as mistakes?
This thread is about the verses I posted and their definitions.
DO you have any comments about those verses and their definitions.
Do you deny what they say. You appear to not want to venture
that way. DId you even read them?
You should not stop with John 3, 17. John 3, 18 ff says clear that who

And you should not mention allone Revealation 7 without reading the rest of revealation. If you come to revealation 20, 15 you find written: And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
I read your verses to times and comes still to the conclusion, that you take verses out of the context and that you only verses which looks like that they support your view. And ignoring verses which clear saying that people which do not obey God ( in the OT) ore believe in Jesus ( in the NT) are lost and will be judged. To become a view from gods will you have to consider the whole scripture and not only the part which pleases you. You are on the way to be a false teacher, because your teaching tells the people do what you want and live as you want, doesnt matter what God wants, because finally you come anyway into heaven.
 
I don't cherry pick unless I need to pull a motor out of my truck.
I do post on subject and that is a completely different thing that you
obviously have a problem with.


2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Let me guess.. You don't think Gods will is going to be done?
What happens to those who don’t come to repentance?
 

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You should not stop with John 3, 17. John 3, 18 ff says clear that who

And you should not mention allone Revealation 7 without reading the rest of revealation. If you come to revealation 20, 15 you find written: And if anyones name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
I read your verses to times and comes still to the conclusion, that you take verses out of the context and that you only verses which looks like that they support your view. And ignoring verses which clear saying that people which do not obey God ( in the OT) ore believe in Jesus ( in the NT) are lost and will be judged. To become a view from gods will you have to consider the whole scripture and not only the part which pleases you. You are on the way to be a false teacher, because your teaching tells the people do what you want and live as you want, doesnt matter what God wants, because finally you come anyway into heaven.
Oh I missed to say what John 3, 18ff says.
Whoever does not believes in Jesus Christ is condemned. The people like more the dark then the light. And because of this they dont come to Jesus, the light of the world.
As I said you cant pick out some verses if you will understand the whole.
 
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And I came in here to tell you that you are wrong and that your teaching that "everyone will be saved" is a false teaching. Only those who have faith in Christ will be saved. You're not paying attention to the other scriptures. All of those promises are to those who have will have received Christ and only them. What do you think happens to those who worship the beast and receive his mark? Do you think that they will be saved? Scripture already answers that question with a resounding "NO!" Go read what the second angel has to say about this in Revelation 14.



All men = those who respond to God's in-birthing of faith regarding His Son.



I'll answer the above with scripture from Jesus Himself speaking to His disciples and all believers;

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." - Matt.10:28

As for me, I fear God and at the same time I know that because I have received Christ, that I have been credited with righteousness and have been reconciled to God. Since you asked, I am always conscious of my actions keeping my body under control and glorifying God by keeping my body and actions pure. If I fail at anytime, i.e. commit sin, I confess my sins and He is faithful and just to forgive me my sins and to cleanse me of all unrighteousness, just as the Lord does for every true believer. Anyone who attempts to take advantage of God's grace by willfully continuing in sin does so at His own peril. The Lord knows those who belong to Him.



First of all, the "commands" listed in the scripture above are not speaking about the Torah i.e. law of Moses. Below are the commandments that He is speaking of:

"Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us."

Anyone who trusts in the keeping of the law, the ten commandments, abstaining from foods, observing the Sabbath on a particular day, as requirements for salvation will not inherit the kingdom of God. Anyone who brings in other requirements for salvation along side of the Lord's sacrifice, is basically saying to the Lord, "Your sacrifice is insufficient." Trusting in ones own efforts will keep them out of the kingdom of God.

I don't think you understand the difference between the true believer who is keeping in step with the Holy Spirit vs. those who claiming to be in Christ and living according to the sinful nature.

But getting back to the issue, not all people are going to be saved. Only those who receive Christ as Lord and savior and are trusting in Him for their salvation. Those who have died in their sins from the beginning of history, the faithless, those never receiving Christ, when they die their spirits will depart from the body and will go into Sheol/Hades, like the rich man, and will be there in torment in flame until the end of the thousand years, where at which time they will stand before God at the great white throne judgment only to be thrown into the lake of fire.
Oh wow. That must have took a long time to write.
Unfortunately you have not taken the simply stated by Jesus to heart and made it your foundation.
Because you are not one of the chosen who can see the simple truth.
What you say and what the Bible says are complete opposites.

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Psalm 66
4 All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.
Psalm 86
9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Psalm 145
21 My mouth shall speak the praise of the Lord: and let all flesh bless his holy name for ever and ever.