God sending People He made and loves to the lake of fire.

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How can me posting the verses be taking them out of context? Lol. Is that just a habitual reply? The verses speak for themselves. Look them up in you native tongue. Lol. They are simply stated so that even a child could understand them.
And look up John 12:47
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
Jesus simply stated that He does not judge the unbeliever, that He is going to save them.

What could be more loving than that?

Jesus was simply stating that He had not come to the world on that occasion to carry out judgement upon people.. This is why He did not stone that woman caught in adultery .. But the Bible clearly states that Jesus will come again to judge the world.. Denying this is denying the full disclosure of scriptures..

Hear the Words of Jesus:

Matthew 25: KJV
31 "¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: {32} And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: {33} And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. {34} Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: {35} For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: {36} Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. {37} Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? {38} When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? {39} Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? {40} And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. {41} Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: {42} For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: {43} I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. {44} Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? {45} Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. {46} And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

So they will be cast into an everlasting fire and will suffer an everlasting punishment there..

Do not be deceived..

 

[Chuckyz2]

Imagine a world where the Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached and understood as He is indeed planning on saving all mankind.

It existed for a time and wasn't pleasant. They killed Him. The beheaded John.
They hunted and killed Christians and disciple's.

Now people can preach to the like minded killers that they are going to burn in hell and nobody cares.
Give that a few minutes of thought.

Not to mention....not one single person since that crazy roman theology started to be preached in spite of the actual texts stating differently, the threat of eternal punishment hasn't produced not even one single saint.

 

[Acadia]

Do you think you can just muscle your way in here and hijack my thread? : )
As I have been saying over and over. This is about the verses I posted appearing to say all peoples are saved. And in my eyes, because I speak English clearly, and I study them, they simply state all peoples are saved. And you appear to agree but change it to fit your theology of it meaning or speaking of just some. Yet they are clearly worded so that there can be no mistaking. All is all. The whole world is the whole world. All peoples means everybody. You have to completely ignore the Lords simply stated verses in order to have the theology you have. Seriously. What loving rational Christian would deny Jesus's simply stated word.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men unto me.

I completely agree that only believers are saved. That every Knee shall bow in the end and all will praise God as it is simply written.
How is the fear of eternal damnation helping you with your sins? That scare tactic isn't working. Most people shun the whole thing because it's obvious that a loving God that would cast children He made into eternal punish is an evil Satan and the religion is completely contradictive. So much so that it is perplexing how people can be so self righteous while yet still sinners and think they are saved solely because they claim to believe. When Jesus said simply:
If you believe, keep my commands. So in all reality, sinners cant be real believers and need saving just as much as those who just outright reject it. Repent then be baptized. Let he who is without sin cast the first child into the lake.

You are still refusing to understand that God is not going to cast His children into Hell.

Only born again believers are His children through faith in the Son. Belief in the Gospel is in fact necessary for salvation. Scripture is clear.

 

[shrume]

Imagine a world where the Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached and understood as He is indeed planning on saving all mankind.

It existed for a time and wasn't pleasant. They killed Him. The beheaded John.
They hunted and killed Christians and disciple's.

Now people can preach to the like minded killers that they are going to burn in hell and nobody cares.
Give that a few minutes of thought.

Not to mention....not one single person since that crazy roman theology started to be preached in spite of the actual texts stating differently, the threat of eternal punishment hasn't produced not even one single saint.

It seems you’re more enthralled with the idea that everyone will be saved than you are with what the Bible says.

 

[Chuckyz2]

This topic is discussed a great deal on Christian websites.. And yes those who are not saved will be cast into the eternal lake of fire where they will be in torment day and night forever and ever..

The Bible declaring that Jesus is the savoir of the world is declaring that Jesus is not just the Redeemer only for Jewish believers.. But that He is the Redeemer of all people who believe and trust in the atonement He secured for them from all races / nations on the earth.. They are NOT stating that Jesus is going to save all human beings..

All the scriptures are inspired to full understanding comes when we accept all the scriptures and use them to interpret the actual situation.. So denying the scriptures that clearly state that humans are going to be cast into the eternal lake of fire is a road to deception..

You are adding to scripture. Because that is not what it says. If the writers were indeed trying to imply what you claim, they would have undoubtedly written as you have. But they didn't. It is pretty clear what they were trying to convey.


Col 1
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Rom 5
19 For as by one man's disobedience >many< were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall >many< be made righteous.

Funny how all men are sinners and the word used to describe the number is many. Twice.

 

[Acadia]

So Jesus wasnt judgmental but will become judgmental. That must mean He changes in spite of scripture saying He doesn't.
Me? When Jesus says He doesn't judge him, I would wager He doesn't judge him. Jesus doesn't lie.

So you don’t believe Scripture in regard to the coming judgement? Why not?

 

[Chuckyz2]

You are still refusing to understand that God is not going to cast His children into Hell.

Only born again believers are His children through faith in the Son. Belief in the Gospel is in fact necessary for salvation. Scripture is clear.

No. I know God will not cast even one human being into the lake of fire.
When you say hell, are implying the lake or fire, or the grave. Because depending on what time frame that word has a different definition

 

[Acadia]

The punishment for sin is death.
As for those the reject Him, Jesus spoke clearly on it.
John 12 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
It couldn't be any more clear than that if one was trying to convey that He does not judge men but will save them all.

He didn’t judge then, but one day He will. Scripture is absolutely clear on that.

 

[Acadia]

No. I know God will not cast even one human being into the lake of fire.
When you say hell, are implying the lake or fire, or the grave. Because depending on what time frame that word has a different definition

I am referring to “the lake of fire”/eternal damnation, yes.

What happens to those Jesus tells to depart from Him because He never knew them?

 

[Chuckyz2]

So you don’t believe Scripture in regard to the coming judgement? Why not?

Of course I do. We are all found innocent and those who only do evil continually are saved. Haven't you read about judgment day in Matthew?
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Its pretty obvious who the ones on the left are. Not speaking about democrats. And it states clearly who the fire is for.
Can you see it?

 

[Chuckyz2]

He didn’t judge then, but one day He will. Scripture is absolutely clear on that.

You will have to show that scripture. As you cant see the simply stated you most likely have misunderstood what the rest says.

 

[Chuckyz2]

I am referring to “the lake of fire”/eternal damnation, yes.

What happens to those Jesus tells to depart from Him because He never knew them?

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

It doesn't say, "and those who didn't believe before they died."
The fire was prepared for the devil and his angels because those are the only ones going there.

 

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Imagine a world where the Gospel of Jesus Christ was preached and understood as He is indeed planning on saving all mankind.

It existed for a time and wasn't pleasant. They killed Him. The beheaded John.
They hunted and killed Christians and disciple's.

Now people can preach to the like minded killers that they are going to burn in hell and nobody cares.
Give that a few minutes of thought.

Not to mention....not one single person since that crazy roman theology started to be preached in spite of the actual texts stating differently, the threat of eternal punishment hasn't produced not even one single saint.

You better believe it has lead to the salvation of many.. Fear of the LORD is the start of wisdom.. And the fear of the Lake of fire has motivated a lot of people to seek out the will of God and when they seek they find the grace of God through the LORD Jesus.. So yes indeed many have come to salvation because they came to the knowledge of the Lake of fire and Gods judgement..

When people know they have a problem they get very motivated to seriously seek out a solution.. God has both identified the Problem and has provided the solution in the Holy Bible.. But once someone believes and preaches that there is no problem then people will shrug their shoulders and not seek the solution.. This is what the denial of the eternal lake of fire does..

 

[Acadia]

Faith is a gift that is not earned. Saying what you said means God predestined His children to eternal punishment. That would be so Satan like it. A loving God casting His own child into eternal punishment. A child that He formed in the womb. Do you ever really even consider the complete horror that your god is if that is true? I will pray for you to get understanding of what real love is.

Again, and I truly hope you can come to understand this, Scripture is clear that although we are all God’s creation, we are not all His children.

Only those who do the “will of the Father” and believe on the Son are born again and become children of God.

John 1:
1 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Acadia]

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Exactly. Yet, you deny that Jesus will ever make such a judgment. Why do you deny Scripture?

It doesn't say, "and those who didn't believe before they died."
The fire was prepared for the and his angels because those are the only ones going there.

Actually, Jesus isn’t speaking to the devil or his angels in those verses, but to people.

 

[Chuckyz2]

He didn’t judge then, but one day He will. Scripture is absolutely clear on that.

He said He doesn't judge him. Then says He is going to save him. So he must make it through judgment day A OK.

 

[Acadia]

You will have to show that scripture. As you cant see the simply stated you most likely have misunderstood what the rest says.

If you haven’t believed the Scriptures about the coming judgement already, I highly doubt my sharing them here will convince you.

 

[Chuckyz2]

Again, and I truly hope you can come to understand this, Scripture is clear that although we are all God’s creation, we are not all His children.

Only those who do the “will of the Father” and believe on the Son are born again and become children of God.

John 1:
1 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I know you don't understand that passage. Because you haven't take the simply stated by Him to heart.
He is talking about two different beings
We are His own and we received Him not. We are the children of God
Non of us not us fit the description in verse 13 yet. Only Jesus does.
When He returns then we will be raised and made new.

 

[Chuckyz2]

If you haven’t believed the Scriptures about the coming judgement already, I highly doubt my sharing them here will convince you.

Not only do I believe them, but by Gods grace I understand them.

 

[Deade]

That is not in the scriptures, Deade. If you think it is, please show where.

Heb 9:
27) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

You need to seriously study about the judgment:

Judgment Before the Great White Throne

Rev. 20:11-14 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

God is not going to resurrect people just to toss them into a lake of fire. Study Isa. 65, after the new heavens and new earth are mentioned. That is a picture of the White Throne Judgment.