God sending People He made and loves to the lake of fire.

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Chuckyz2

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tourist said:
Perhaps a more concise way of putting it would be to say that it does not exist in his vernacular.
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Whatever scholar. Just because one knows words does not give him understanding. That comes from God. And how one treats people shows just how much love dwells in a person.
I do not hold to the Universalist religion even though we both believe all peoples are saved. They believe Satan is saved.
Thank for disrupting my thread.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead

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Chuckyz2 said:
I guess that means all the scriptures I posted shouldn't be discussed?
Lol. Don't be scared. Jesus is going to save even the haters. Lol
Including JW's, Catholics, Universalists and even Muslims.
You are not part of an elite sect of special people that earned anything. Lol
All peoples are saved. It is simply stated over and over. Didn't you read the verses?
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That wall of text you presented is ridiculous. tl;dr. If you want to pick out the best one, or go over them individually, I'd be happy to discuss.
 
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God is a pretty cleaver fellow. He wrote the Bible in just the perfect way. If you read the Cliff’s notes bible you get one meaning. If you read, study and internalized the Bible you get a different meaning.
It’s pretty easy to tell what group someone falls into...... just sayin...
 
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Chuckyz2

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
That defense is based on that particular translation of μάλιστα (i.e., especially). Particularly would be a better translation IMO, that restricts salvation to those who believe, which is consistent with the rest of scripture.
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The scriptures I post do not say any one that doesn't believe will be saved. They say everyone will come to believe eventually
 
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Chuckyz2 said:
The scriptures I post do not say any one that doesn't believe will be saved. They say everyone will come to believe eventually
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The bible doesn't say that anywhere. If you disagree, present your evidence one passage at a time.
 
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Chuckyz2

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Embankment said:
God is a pretty cleaver fellow. He wrote the Bible in just the perfect way. If you read the Cliff’s notes bible you get one meaning. If you read, study and internalized the Bible you get a different meaning.
It’s pretty easy to tell what group someone falls into...... just sayin...
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Best to learn Hebrew. But the KJV is good enough.
 
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If I was God and my kid decided to go there, I would definitely think that my kid had a mental problem, Or some other issue. But being God who can do anything, and especially a loving merciful God, I would just heal that kid. It wouldn't even be questionable. Any God that would cast his own child into eternal punishment is a evil God. Period. Not gonna happen. : )
You really should think that through.
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I absolutely agree with you that God will not cast a single one of His children into hell.

Where you err is to believe that all are His children.

We are all CREATIONS of God, but we are not all CHILDREN OF God.
We must be born again to be His Child.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
That defense is based on that particular translation of μάλιστα (i.e., especially). Particularly would be a better translation IMO, that restricts salvation to those who believe, which is consistent with the rest of scripture.
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Do you think the part that says, "of all men", would still qualify the Universalism allusion?

Consider also please this parallel translation reference LINKED
 
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Chuckyz2

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Post it here. I'm not going to play jump all over the place to know what you're talking about.
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Oh for heavens sake.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of
the world.
 
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How can me posting the verses be taking them out of context? Lol. Is that just a habitual reply? The verses speak for themselves. Look them up in you native tongue. Lol. They are simply stated so that even a child could understand them.
And look up John 12:47
47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
Jesus simply stated that He does not judge the unbeliever, that He is going to save them.

What could be more loving than that?
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It makes no sense to discuss about it. If you are convinced that all people will be saved, then belive it. But not our belive counts, God word counts.
So much verses you mentioned to support your view, John 3, 16 is enough for to proof that everybody who believes not in Jesus Christ is lost in eternety. And this means for ever seperatet from God. In an particular place the bible call hell.
You can deny it. I suppose you are not alone with this view. But it is not Gods truth about the future.
 
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Chuckyz2

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wolfwint said:
It makes no sense to discuss about it. If you are convinced that all people will be saved, then belive it. But not our belive counts, God word counts.
So much verses you mentioned to support your view, John 3, 16 is enough for to proof that everybody who believes not in Jesus Christ is lost in eternety. And this means for ever seperatet from God. In an particular place the bible call hell.
You can deny it. I suppose you are not alone with this view. But it is not Gods truth about the future.
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But the verses include verses that say everyone comes to believe eventually.
 
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Oh for heavens sake.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of
the world.
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He is the savior of the world. That doesn't include all people, though.
 
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Chuckyz2

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
No, I didn't. Waste of time. No spiritual discernment that I could see. Typical "I posted a lot of verses so I'm right" approach.
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Then why are you here. You just admitted to being a troll. Why be rude. Why attack me in such a way?
 
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