God's Chosen People per Romans 11
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The differnce between the way you and I see things is bias. I have no bias, I don't care if flesh Israel is God's chosen people or not.... why would I? Your bias blinds you from objectively reading anything. We will agree to disagree. 
do us all a favor. Stop pretending like you want to discuss things, when anyone can see you have no desire to discuss anything but your view. And anyone who does not agree with you, You know exactly why and what it comes from.
I have no bias. My only bias is God keeps his word.. And when he says something will happen HE MEANS IT.
what you do, thats on you..
Romans 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
He was losing them because of transgressions.
*He wants the whole world to be saved.
It isn't so much that he cast them away as it is he gave them a better covenant.
The new covenant offers life to all who were dead because of trasgressing the old one.
I guess by ending the old one it would seem like he was turning his back to them but the new one offers them a much easier way.
This promise is for all the world.
(I use to wonder if Job was being considered as a sacrifice for the* transgressions of Israel).
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
He was losing them because of transgressions.
*He wants the whole world to be saved.
It isn't so much that he cast them away as it is he gave them a better covenant.
The new covenant offers life to all who were dead because of trasgressing the old one.
I guess by ending the old one it would seem like he was turning his back to them but the new one offers them a much easier way.
This promise is for all the world.
(I use to wonder if Job was being considered as a sacrifice for the* transgressions of Israel).
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I see it different.
God cast away the nation of Isreal. (not flesh Isreal) And because of this, The rest of the world was offered salvation, and the church grew in leaps and bounds away from Israel. and became a gentile institution.
in the OT, Israel was supposed to teach the other nations, and lead them to christ, they failed, this was a hinderance to God as it was hard to bring a nation to you when the people who represent you HATE YOU.
Leter paul explains how our casting away will lead to their salvation. and warnss us against making the same mistake (being puffed up like the jews were)
sadly, we have made the same mistake as an organisation who is supposed to represent God.
God cast away the nation of Isreal. (not flesh Isreal) And because of this, The rest of the world was offered salvation, and the church grew in leaps and bounds away from Israel. and became a gentile institution.
in the OT, Israel was supposed to teach the other nations, and lead them to christ, they failed, this was a hinderance to God as it was hard to bring a nation to you when the people who represent you HATE YOU.
Leter paul explains how our casting away will lead to their salvation. and warnss us against making the same mistake (being puffed up like the jews were)
sadly, we have made the same mistake as an organisation who is supposed to represent God.
I have come to realize that KJV6111 is simply a troll in disguise. I know many of you know this as well. He keeps asking the same thing over and over. It has been explained many times over and still he keeps asking the same questions again and again.
I have found this type of deceit in the Atheist Chat rooms. They have nothing to stand on or no solid evidence to shore-up their rhetoric so they simply ask the same questions over and over until you get tired, quit or stay silent. In the end, they win,,,,their chat site is only populated by people who believe the same thing or same way.
Because it actually distracts or takes away from other people on this forum, I personally think he needs to be banned but that is up to others above my pay grade.
However, in lieu of that, I will block him and his post so I will not follow or be duped into his schemes again.
I have found this type of deceit in the Atheist Chat rooms. They have nothing to stand on or no solid evidence to shore-up their rhetoric so they simply ask the same questions over and over until you get tired, quit or stay silent. In the end, they win,,,,their chat site is only populated by people who believe the same thing or same way.
Because it actually distracts or takes away from other people on this forum, I personally think he needs to be banned but that is up to others above my pay grade.
However, in lieu of that, I will block him and his post so I will not follow or be duped into his schemes again.
I think Job was a foreshadow of Christ, so I too believe Job was considered as a sacrifice for the transgressions of Israel.
Do you think the verse below is speaking of the casting away of Israel?
Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Do you think the verse below is speaking of the casting away of Israel?
Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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Matthew 21:43 KJV
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
excellent verse, and goes right along with what I was saying about romans 11.
I am taking this kingdom from you (nation of Isreal) and giving it to this other nation (the church) who will produce fruit..
which is exactly what Paul said in Rom 11: 15, about Isreal (the nation) being cut off.
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
excellent verse, and goes right along with what I was saying about romans 11.
I am taking this kingdom from you (nation of Isreal) and giving it to this other nation (the church) who will produce fruit..
which is exactly what Paul said in Rom 11: 15, about Isreal (the nation) being cut off.
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Yet in Romans 11. Paul called flesh them all one nation, (saved Israel and Non blinded Israel)
so why are you trying to separate them in romans 11?
and what about all the OT prophecies which predicted the very thing would happen, Yet after God gave the kingdom to gentiles. Isreal would be one day restored..
and finally, It is not talking about salvation in context. But the kingdom of God (the people who represent God)
so why are you trying to separate them in romans 11?
and what about all the OT prophecies which predicted the very thing would happen, Yet after God gave the kingdom to gentiles. Isreal would be one day restored..
and finally, It is not talking about salvation in context. But the kingdom of God (the people who represent God)
Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Since he is talking to the chief priests and the elders of the people and it's following,
The Parable of the Tenants and The Parable of the Vineyard.
I'd say he's saying, The Kingdom of God will be taken from specifically Israel’s religious leaders and all who reject Him, ( Since He is the foundation of the Father’s temple or church of believers) and given to the church, which will unite both Jew and Gentile.
Please, no one attack me if I'm wrong. Lol
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Since he is talking to the chief priests and the elders of the people and it's following,
The Parable of the Tenants and The Parable of the Vineyard.
I'd say he's saying, The Kingdom of God will be taken from specifically Israel’s religious leaders and all who reject Him, ( Since He is the foundation of the Father’s temple or church of believers) and given to the church, which will unite both Jew and Gentile.
Please, no one attack me if I'm wrong. Lol
Paul separated them. Israel is cast away, but has God cast away his people, no he hasn't. Israel - cast away. God's people - not cast away. 2 groups of people:
1) National Israel - Flesh descendants - cast away.
2) God's Chosen - A subset of national Israel - not cast away.
National - Physical - Flesh Descendants - cast away - not God's chosen people.
God's chosen people SPIRITUAL ISRAEL - Paul - Peter - James - John - not cast away.
Has God cast away his Chosen People - no.
Has God cast away national Israel - yes.
National Israel is not God's chosen people. God's chosen people are a SUBSET of National Israel.... NOT National Israel. Now God's chosen people are a subset of the Gentile nations and a subset of National Israel - Jews.
1) National Israel - Flesh descendants - cast away.
2) God's Chosen - A subset of national Israel - not cast away.
National - Physical - Flesh Descendants - cast away - not God's chosen people.
God's chosen people SPIRITUAL ISRAEL - Paul - Peter - James - John - not cast away.
Has God cast away his Chosen People - no.
Has God cast away national Israel - yes.
National Israel is not God's chosen people. God's chosen people are a SUBSET of National Israel.... NOT National Israel. Now God's chosen people are a subset of the Gentile nations and a subset of National Israel - Jews.