GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Hizikyah]

Its a simple question really and it relates to the OP.

Do you believe Christians are commanded to observe Sabbath? But I think we already know the answer?

I will answer after you grant my request, you cant just accuse me, then when you want, oh original topic, moving on.

NO Im done answer your questions, you accuse me and accuse me, I ask you questions on how you view certian Scriptures ,you never reply to them, no breakdown, no commentary, just ignore them and accuse me. I have answer your questions a numbder of times in the past few days, and probably before that , but for sure the past few days, if you can give me your view on those Scriptures I asked about, we can have starting pointfrom which to move forward, you can not, accuse me, ignore my questions and honeslty think its ok. give me your breakdown and we can move forward. a real breakdown/commentary.

 

[phil36]

I will answer after you grant my request, you cant just accuse me, then when you want, oh original topic, moving on.

NO Im done answer your questions, you accuse me and accuse me, I ask you questions on how you view certian Scriptures ,you never reply to them, no breakdown, no commentary, just ignore them and accuse me. I have answer your questions a numbder of times in the past few days, and probably before that , but for sure the past few days, if you can give me your view on those Scriptures I asked about, we can have starting pointfrom which to move forward, you can not, accuse me, ignore my questions and honeslty think its ok. give me your breakdown and we can move forward. a real breakdown/commentary.

As I said, you give reams of scripture all about commandments, and it really doesn't matter what thread or topic your on.

The difference is between how we understand obedience in Christ, now you say very, and I mean very very little about Jesus and His work in redeeming His people, and when you do mention Jesus it is in the context of keeping commandments. So I think it is very clear that you believe salvation is all about keeping commandments. Justification by faith to you is a by product.. of works of righteousness.

One example is that you believe we are commanded to keep the Sabbath. A Mosaic law. We are under the covenant of grace not of works. anyhow I've been through all this with you and lovegodforever.

Love is the ultimate obedience not keeping law or commandments, nor keeping the Sabbath!

Unless of course you believe that we are commanded in the New Covenant to observe the Sabbath? to put ourselves back under the law?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting." [/FONT]

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

Isaiah 45:22-25, “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Mighty, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’yl shall be declared right and glory.”

 

[phil36]

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."


Isaiah 45:22-25, “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Mighty, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’yl shall be declared right and glory.”

So do you believe that those in the New Covenant are commanded to observe the Sabbath? Is that what your are cryptically trying to tell us when you list all the ..commandment ..follow my law scriptures?

 

[gb9]

and I used Paul's writings in that reply to you. But there are not quotes from Yahshua/Jesus. Thank is a fact, you are too much. I never said I trow Paul's writings away, I asid Yahshua/Jesus is not quoted.

and nobodys words are on par with YHWH's and Yahshua's if you denty this you deny words directly out of the mouth of YHWH; Tell me, what does this mean to you, it may be able to end this debate;

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

are you going to actually give me you breakdown of these verses or go to other verses or jsut not reply, becaue lets be honest, you never answer my questions about Scripture.

So please tell me what these mean to you. Sincerely I want to know, no funny business I want to know.

i'll break down John 5 24- you left out the word in that verse- ........hears my words and believes IN ( or on ) the on who has sent me. see, if you leave out that in or on, it makes it about command keeping. properly insert it, as all mainline translations do, it becomes about faith.

oh, and for the breakdown- the Hebrew word used is emunah- which means a steadfast commitment. not command keeping.

 

[Hizikyah]

i'll break down John 5 24- you left out the word in that verse- ........hears my words and believes IN ( or on ) the on who has sent me. see, if you leave out that in or on, it makes it about command keeping. properly insert it, as all mainline translations do, it becomes about faith.

oh, and for the breakdown- the Hebrew word used is emunah- which means a steadfast commitment. not command keeping.

That Hebrew word;
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."[/FONT]



“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]faith” is word #H530 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמוּנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמֻנָה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529

“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

“faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) #530. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱמוּנָה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
emunah (53c); from 539; firmness, steadfastness, fidelity

[/FONT]

oh, and for the breakdown- the Hebrew word used is emunah- which means a steadfast commitment. not command keeping.

and John 5:24 was written in Greek

◄ John 5:24 ►
Text Analysis
[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: top, width: 17%"]Strong's[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Transliteration[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]Greek[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]English[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]Morphology[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]281 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]amēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀμὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]Truly,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Heb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]281 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]amēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀμὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]truly[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Heb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3004 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]legō[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]λέγω[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]I say[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIA-1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4771 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hymin[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὑμῖν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]to you,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-D2P[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3754 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hoti[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὅτι[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]that[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ho[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὁ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the [one][/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ton[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὸν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3056 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]logon[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]λόγον[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]word[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1473 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]mou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]μου[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of me[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-G1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]191 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]akouōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀκούων[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]hearing,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4100 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]pisteuōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πιστεύων[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]believing[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tō[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τῷ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the [one][/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-DMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3992 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]pempsanti[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πέμψαντί[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]having sent[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-APA-DMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1473 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]me[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]με[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]me,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-A1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2192 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]echei[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἔχει[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]has[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIA-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2222 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ζωὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]life[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]166 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]aiōnion[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]αἰώνιον,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]eternal,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2920 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]krisin[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]κρίσιν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]judgment[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3756 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ouk[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]οὐκ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]not[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2064 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]erchetai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἔρχεται[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]comes,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIM/P-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]235 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]alla[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀλλὰ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]but[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3327 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]metabebēken[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]μεταβέβηκεν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]has passed[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-RIA-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1537 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ek[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐκ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]out of[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τοῦ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-GMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2288 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]thanatou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]θανάτου[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]death[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-GMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] - [/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2222 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ζωήν.[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]life.[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Hizikyah]

i'll break down John 5 24- you left out the word in that verse- ........hears my words and believes IN ( or on ) the on who has sent me. see, if you leave out that in or on, it makes it about command keeping. properly insert it, as all mainline translations do, it becomes about faith.

oh, and for the breakdown- the Hebrew word used is emunah- which means a steadfast commitment. not command keeping.

That Hebrew word;
Habakkuk 2:4, "Behold the proud, his soul is not right in him; but the just will live by faith."

“faith” is word #H530 אֱמוּנָה 'emuwnah (em-oo-naw') n-f., אֱמֻנָה 'emunah (em-oo-naw') [shortened], 1. (literally) firmness., 2. (figuratively) security., 3. (morally) fidelity.
[feminine of H529], KJV: faith(-ful, -ly, -ness, (man)), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily. , Root(s): H529

“faith” is word #H530 Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness

“faith” #H530 Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
Feminine of H0529; literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity:—faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament) #530. אֱמוּנָה
emunah (53c); from 539; firmness, steadfastness, fidelity

oh, and for the breakdown- the Hebrew word used is emunah- which means a steadfast commitment. not command keeping.

and John 5:24 was written in Greek;

◄ John 5:24 ►
Text Analysis
[TABLE="class: maintext, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD="class: top, width: 17%"]Strong's[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 20%"]Transliteration[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]Greek[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]English[/TD]
[TD="class: top, width: 21%"]Morphology[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]281 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]amēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀμὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]Truly,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Heb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]281 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]amēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀμὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]truly[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Heb[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3004 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]legō[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]λέγω[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]I say[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIA-1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4771 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hymin[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὑμῖν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]to you,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-D2P[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3754 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]hoti[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὅτι[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]that[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ho[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ὁ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the [one][/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ton[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὸν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3056 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]logon[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]λόγον[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]word[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1473 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]mou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]μου[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]of me[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-G1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]191 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]akouōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀκούων[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]hearing,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]4100 [e]
[/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]pisteuōn
[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πιστεύων
[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]believing
[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tō[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τῷ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the [one][/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-DMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3992 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]pempsanti[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πέμψαντί[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]having sent[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-APA-DMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1473 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]me[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]με[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]me,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]PPro-A1S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2192 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]echei[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἔχει[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]has[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIA-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2222 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ζωὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]life[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]166 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]aiōnion[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]αἰώνιον,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]eternal,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adj-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2920 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]krisin[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]κρίσιν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]judgment[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3756 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ouk[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]οὐκ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]not[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Adv[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2064 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]erchetai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἔρχεται[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]comes,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIM/P-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]235 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]alla[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀλλὰ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]but[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3327 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]metabebēken[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]μεταβέβηκεν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]has passed[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-RIA-3S[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1537 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ek[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐκ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]out of[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τοῦ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] -[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-GMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2288 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]thanatou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]θανάτου[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]death[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-GMS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"] -[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Art-AFS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: strongsnt"]2222 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]zōēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ζωήν.[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]life.[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
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[gb9]

fine , but it is still believe in or on God. nice try to not talk about that.

 

[Hizikyah]

fine , but it is still believe in or on God. nice try to not talk about that.

What? "try not to talk about it".... I'm the one who posted the verse, this is insane.

 

[Johnny_B]

I cannot believe this has went to 10 pages on keeping the Sabbath, Jesus never taught that we needed to keep the Sabbath. He did teach that He is the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. For those that hang thier righteousness on keeping the Sabbath. Here's what Jesus said about the commandments.

Matthew 22:35-40 “Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and great commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Keep these two and you keep all 10, it is not that hard to understand, here's the kicker Jesus did not make two new commandments. Those two were always what fulfilled to 10.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.”

Leviticus 19:17-18 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”

Leviticus here sounds like the sermon on the mount, but loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and stength; and your neighbor as yourself has always been the fulfillment of the Law.

Here's what Jesus taught about the Sabbath and how He kept the Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28-12:8 “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.”3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him:4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28 “And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Who were the Pharisees condemning? They were condemning the disciples for braking that Sabbath and Jesus calls them guiltless. That is why He said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

How many times did Jesus brake the Sabbath by healing someone, but for all those that believe that they need to keep the Sabbath, can you show me Scripture that teaches that you no longer have to obey Numbers 28:9-10 to obseve the Sabbath?

“And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering—10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.”

 

[Hizikyah]

I cannot believe this has went to 10 pages on keeping the Sabbath, Jesus never taught that we needed to keep the Sabbath. He did teach that He is the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. For those that hang thier righteousness on keeping the Sabbath. Here's what Jesus said about the commandments.

Matthew 22:35-40 “Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and great commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Keep these two and you keep all 10, it is not that hard to understand, here's the kicker Jesus did not make two new commandments. Those two were always what fulfilled to 10.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.”

Leviticus 19:17-18 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”

What of the 10 can I break and still be keeping the Great 2?

Leviticus here sounds like the sermon on the mount, but loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and stength; and your neighbor as yourself has always been the fulfillment of the Law.

Here's what Jesus taught about the Sabbath and how He kept the Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28-12:8

“Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.”3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him:4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28 “And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Who were the Pharisees condemning? They were condemning the disciples for braking that Sabbath and Jesus calls them guiltless. That is why He said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

How many times did Jesus brake the Sabbath by healing someone, but for all those that believe that they need to keep the Sabbath, can you show me Scripture that teaches that you no longer have to obey Numbers 28:9-10 to obseve the Sabbath?

He never broke the Sabbath once. If He did He could not be the spotless Passover Lamb, that makes not sense. He broke man made talmudic/phrisee laws;

New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;

Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”

Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"

Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

and taught the proper way to honor the Sabbath of YHWH, just as YHWH said;

They were blameless because they were doing the work and will of YHWH, that is the purpose of the Sabbath, the pharisees made it about sitting in your house twiddling your thumbs...

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”

Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

“And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering—10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.”

This is for the priest for all Israyl, Yahshua is High Priest now, if this were for evey Israylite indivigualy they would run out of lambs in a week...

and why would Yahshua/Jesus think in the ned times Sabbath would still be valid? You guys better tell the King He is wrong?

Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

 

[LoveGodForever]

You twist what I say, constantly accuse me, never seem to answer any of my questions and ignore much of what is written.

Recieving words from Yahshua/Jesus is blessed, and true, I said in Revelation it is directly Yahshua/Jesus words, not spoken though anyone. and none of the Scriptures were actually written by Yahshua, but why do they make distinciond in the words and say "Jesus said, "......"

Ill tell you what the day you can give me a breakdown and commentary of thoseverses Iasked you about is the day I will take your accusations more seriously. Not trying to be rude, but it seems to be many accusations from you.

I would not worry about what some people say too much Hizikyah.

Only God's Word is true and this is where we should point all. This is our job because he must increase and we must decrease. It is only through God's Word that anyone can find him who loves all.

We should not point people to the teachings of men over the Word of God. All that he shows us we see and we must show to all because because he is the light and we are in darkness. He tells us it is those that see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. Who are we that he should choose us out of the world? We are no one but he is all. If we did not believe him we would not know him. What can we do without him? He is love and now we love. We follow him now because we love him who first loved us. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but few are chosen because men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.

Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils but His Word is promises to deliver us and it is here we must find safety. We ought to obey God rather than man. God is love and he that dwells in love dwells in God for God is our strength and peace because we love him who first loved us.......

 

[Johnny_B]

What of the 10 can I break and still be keeping the Great 2?



He never broke the Sabbath once. If He did He could not be the spotless Passover Lamb, that makes not sense. He broke man made talmudic/phrisee laws;

Since you are not understanding how the two commandments fulfill the ten, let me ask you this. How do you brake any of the commandments by loving the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, and your nieghbor as yourself?

You are right He never did brake any of the commandemnts, it was the Pharisees that accused Him of doing it when He did not. Just like those that accuse Christians that they do not keep the Sabbath and neither do those that claim they do, because they do not obey Numbers 28:9-10 because to obey it, it need to be done as instruced in Leviticus 1:10-13

“If his offering is of the flocks—of the sheep or of the goats—as a burnt sacrifice, he shall bring a male without blemish.11 He shall kill it on the north side of the altar before the Lord; and the priests, Aaron’s sons, shall sprinkle its blood all around on the altar.12 And he shall cut it into its pieces, with its head and its fat; and the priest shall lay them in order on the wood that is on the fire upon the altar;13 but he shall wash the entrails and the legs with water. Then the priest shall bring it all and burn it on the altar; it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the Lord.”

Can you provide Scripture that teaches that you no longer need to obey Numbers 28:9-10 to observe the Sabbath and Scripture that teaches that the offering no longer need to be offered by the priests, Aaron's sons and that they not longer need to be offered at the Tabernacle or the Temple?

Because if you do not do those things instructed by the Lord for offerings and the instruction on how to make those offerings, you are not keeping the Sabbath!

 

[LoveGodForever]

The ten commandments are specifically to Israel. They are not directly applicable to anyone outside Israel. Most of them are well known principles outside Israel. We observe them because they are such and not because they are in the ten commandments. The Sabbath law is an exception. It was to Israel only.

Who is Israel according to God's Word........................?

Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;



For it is written…


Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ


Now who is Abraham’s seed?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Col 3:11,

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Rom 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Rom 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Jer 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Heb 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.



Gal 3:29,

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for Gods Israel which represent God’s followers who have His Word and believe it. If you are not part of God's Israel as defined in the scriptures, you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12). I believe God’s Word, how about you?

Paul says, Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand. Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let each man be fully assured in his own mind. Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord: and he that eateth, eateth unto the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, unto the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and none dieth to himself.

Paul KNEW that slaves could not choose their day off. He therefore said no day was more important than any other . That is enough for me,

I do not see any mention of the Word Sabbath in Romans 14 even in the whole Chapter do you? If you believe this is not true, can you show me where in all of Romans anywhere in the whole book where it is talking about God's 4th commandment to keep Holy God's Sabbath? If you cannot then what makes you think the 4th commandment is being referred to here?

However, if you read it in context of Romans Chapter 14 with the other writings of Paul Colossians 2 for example as discussed in the OP where he is referring to the annual festivals and holy days that were pointing to Jesus as Shadows of things to come and nailed to the cross and judging others as well as other references in relation to food offered to idols and fasting etc than ... everything connects together...

 

[LoveGodForever]

notice how the Hebrew roots and seven day advents only use the same verses over and over. guess they had to buy a discounted price Bible with only half the content?

Really? What scriptures do they keep on using over and over? Can you prove with scripture anything you have claimed or have you posted any scripture that support anything you have written? So far I have not seen any from you and if this be the case who should we believe God or man; the traditions and teachings of man or the Word of God?

I guess it is just me, but I have this thing called " fear of God ", so I dare not play games with His Written Word.

If this is true do you believe God's Word?

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Hizikyah, You need to concentrate on Jesus and His perfect work on your behalf. Your obsessed with Law and commandments. It would be great if you were obsessed with talking about Jesus and not your own works of the law and how we all must be Sabbatarians..

Jesus is the Word of God and we must live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (John 1:1-14; Matthew 4:4). Isn't that what Hizikyah doing by sharing scripture with you? Yet you do not believe the scriptures sent to you and if anyone is still in their sins how can you know him who loves all?

 

[LoveGodForever]

LOL and you consider yourself strong in faith?

Who is someone that is strong in faith? Isn't being strong in faith knowing, believing and following God's Word? As it is written faith only comes from knowing God's Word and believing it. How can you have faith if you do not know God's Word?

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God........

Well I consider you weak in faith bound to Israel's law. Paul considered YOURS a doubtful disputation,

Who is Israel according to God's Word........................?

Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. It has its origin from Gen 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel. This is God's people and today anyone the is following Jesus is part of God's spiritual Israel according to God's Word. The same New Covenant is written for God's people who are now spiritual Israel following. Scripture support;



For it is written…


Let God be true and every man a liar that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ


Now who is Abraham’s seed?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus and if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal 3:28-29,
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Col 3:11,

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Rom 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Rom 2:28-29,
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Jer 31:33-4,
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Heb 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.



Gal 3:29,

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The New Covenant is for Gods Israel which represent God’s followers who have His Word and believe it. If you are not part of God's Israel as defined in the scriptures, you are not part of the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12). I believe God’s Word, how about you?

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The Sabbath is unknown before Ex 16 and there it was only observed by SOME. You simply ignore the facts,

Is it? Yet we read in the beginning of creation....................

Genesis 2:1-3
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, and all the host of them. 2, And on the SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. 3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT <made it a Holy day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Seems to me that God's 7th Day Sabbath has been around since the beginning if you believe God's Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Here is more of what Paul says: Romans 8:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)
Life in the Spirit 8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh,

I love this scripture what does it mean to walk does it mean "life in the Spirit" to you?

What is the law of the Spirit of Life that sets us free?

Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.

Please where are your scriptures the text provided above does not support what you are saying here. Where does it say that "Jesus sets us free from the commands of God's Law and we are no longer to follow God's Law and are not obliged to keep God's Sabbath? I can get none of that from reading the scripture you quoted in Romans 8:1-3.

Have your thought carefully about what you are saying above? The conclusion of what you are saying is......

We have not Law by following Jesus. Therefore if we no longer have God's Law then we have no knowledge of sin and righteousness. If we have no knowledge of sin then we have no need of a Saviour. If we have no need of a Saviour then we have no salvation. If we have no salvation then we are lost.

And yet you have a problem..........

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?

Where does Paul say we are no longer to follow the Sabbath or any of God's commandments? Seems like you misunderstand what Paul is talking about. What does Paul teach about God's commandments?

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

Seems like Paul says a lot about faith and the fruit of faith which is obedience through love..........

 

[LoveGodForever]

its not about books and tablets anymore. its God writing the law in our hearts.

Absolutely only through Love can anyone have God's Laws written in the heart... If you are living a life of unrepentant sin you must be born again or you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven......

 

[LoveGodForever]

Its a simple question really and it relates to the OP. Do you believe Christians are commanded to observe Sabbath? But I think we already know the answer?

Friend, I will answer your question for you if you answer mine. So far you have answered none of my posts and none of my questions yet I have shown you courtesy to answer all your posts and scriptures. I do not mind if you do not answer any my questions but I will leave you with this one again.

Is someone who is professing to be a Christian and living a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or an unsaved state? (here is a clue; Hebrews 10:26-27; James 2:8-12) There is a reason for the question do you know what it is?

Who should we believe God or Man?