GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Read the book of Galatians Hizikyah. Legalism adds to the perfect work of Christ. Christians are not under the law. To teach otherwise is false teaching.
HI Phil, Good morning my time...

Just some thoughts from God's Word for your statement above........

Legalism adds to the perfect work of Christ.
Who is adding to the perfect work of Christ and how are they doing this in your view? If you cannot answer the question why are you accusing others of legalism?

Christians are not under the law. To teach otherwise is false teaching.
Christians are indeed not under the Law of God. (1) what does it mean to be "Under the Law"?
(2) Also what is a Christian in your view? Isn't a Christian those that believe and follow the Word of God through love?
(3) Is someone professing to be a Christian who is living a life in unrepentant sin a Christian in your view? I know you will not answer these questions as you have not answered the posts and scriptures and questions I have provided already.

(1) What does it mean to be under the Law according to God's Word.....................?

To be "Under the Law" means to be convicted by the Law of God as a sinner because we do not know what sin is without God’s Law because sin is the transgression of God’s Law and it gives us a knowledge of what sin is and leads us to Jesus (1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7; Gal 3:24)

Romans 2:12-13
"ALL WHO SIN WITHOUT THE LAW SHALL PERISH WITHOUT THE LAW, and ALL WHO SIN UNDER THE LAW will be judged by the law. FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD, but the DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED."

To be "under the Law" means to be guilty of sin...............

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Romans 3:9

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are ALL UNDER SIN

None righteous no not one, all are under the law as sinners. God's Law is the knowledge of good and evil, sin and righteousness and is the great standard in the judgement.....

So this is why it is correct to say Christians are not "Under the Law" because they are not practicing sin..........

John 8:31-32, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


John 8:34
, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.


John 8:36
, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

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1 John 3:3

3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOSOEVER SINS (practices as in unrepentant) HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. 8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works (SIN) of the devil.

Someone living a life in known unrepentant sin breaking any of God's commandments is not a Christian according to God's Word knowing the love of God and needs to be born again (1 John 3:9).........

If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of God's Law (James 2:8-12)

For by grace are you saved through faith (alone) and not of yourself it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast. If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience it is dead being alone and you are still in your sins.......

The 4th commandment, which is God's command to remember the 7th Day weekly Sabbath is one of the 10 (Exodus 20 :8-11) just like the commandments of stealing, lying and adultery.............

Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man handed down from the Roman Catholic Church to the mainstream Churches of today that breaks the commandments of God.

Jesus says; If we break the commandments of God by following the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow, the traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?
 
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And Yahshua said this: Romans 7 Released From the Law, Bound to Christ
7 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. 4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Anytime you mention Jesus, its only as a sideline to following commands.

We are released from the penalty of the Law through Christ but this does not saying that obedience to God's Law is not required because it is the fruit of faith. Seems your interpretation of Romans 7 leaves out a lot of scripture from Romans Chapters 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 13 summed up with these in each chapter. Friend, genuine faith has the fruit of obedience. If it does not you are still in your sins and do not know him who loves all...................

ROMANS

Chapter 1
v5 By whom we have received GRACE AND APOSTLESHIP, for OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name:
v16, For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that BELIEVES; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
v17, For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Chapter 2

v4, Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long suffering; not knowing that the GOODNESS OF GOD LEAD YOU TO REPENTANCE?
v5, But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasure up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
v6, WHO WILL RENDER EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
v7, To them who by patient continuance in WELL DOING seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
v8, But unto them that are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY THE TRUTH, but OBEY UNRIGHTEOUSNESS ,<sin>, indignation and wrath,
v9, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
v10, But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that WORKS GOOD, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:2
v11, For there is no respect of persons with God.
v12, FOR AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED WITHOUT THE LAW SHALL PERISH WITHOUT THE LAW: and AS MANY AS HAVE SINNED IN THE LAW SHALL BE JUDGED BY THE LAW;
v13, For NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.

Chapter 3
v3, For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
v4, God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.
v27, Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
v28, Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
v29, Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
v30, Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
v31, DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YEA WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Chapter 6
v1, What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, that grace may abound?
v2, God forbid. HOW SHALL WE THAT ARE DEAD TO SIN LIVE THERE ANY LONGER?
v6, Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that HENCEFORTH WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.
v7, For HE THAT IS DEAD IS FREED FROM SIN.
v10, For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he lives, HE LIVES UNTO GOD.
v11, Likewise RECKON YOU YOURSELVES INDEED DEAD TO SIN, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
v12, LET NOT SIN THEREFORE REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY, THAT YOU SHOULD OBEY IT IN THE LUSTS THEREOF
v13, NEITHER YIELD YOU YOUR MEMBERS AS INSTRUMENTS OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO SIN: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO GOD.
v14, FOR SIN SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU: FOR YOU ARE NOT UNDER LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.
v15, What then? SHALL WE SIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT UNDER LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE? GOD FORBID.
v16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to OBEY, his servants ye are to whom ye OBEY; whether of SIN unto death, or of OBEDIENCE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS?
v17, But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
v18, BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN, YOU BECAME THE SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
v19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now YIELD YOURSELVES SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO HOLINESS.
v20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
v21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for THE END OF THOSE THINGS <sin> IS DEATH.
v22, BUT NOW BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your FRUIT UNTO HOLINESS, and the end everlasting life.
v23, For THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH; BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS EVERLASTING LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.

Chapter 7
v7, What shall we say then? IS THE LAW SIN? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
v8, But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
v9, For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
v10, And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
v11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
v12, WHEREFORE THE LAW IS HOLY AND THE COMMANDMENT HOLY AND JUST AND GOOD.
v13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
v14, For we know that THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Chapter 8
v1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.
v2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
v3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
v4, That THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
v5, For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
v6, For TO BE CARNALLY MINDED IS DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
v7, Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
v8, So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
v9, But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
v10, ¶ And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
v11, But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.
v12, Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
v13, For IF YOU LIVE AFTER THE FLESH YOU WILL DIE <sin>: but IF YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY YOU SHALL LIVE.
v14, For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Chapter 13
v8, Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another hath fulfilled the law.
v9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
v10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

We must believe all the scriptures because this is what we are to live by not some of them (Matthew 4:4).

Who do we believe God or man? Who do we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?
 
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Thank you, Phil36.

From this, I did presume legalistic is lawfulness.
Hi Paul,

I don't see from what I said 'legalistic' is lawlessness?
You are right when you say "I don't see"

I wrote lawfulness, not lawlessness.

Anyhow, I have answered your question.

You asked the exact same question the Apostle PAul rhetorically asks in Romans 6. And Paul answers it succinctly. In fact Romans 6..is basically the answer to your questioning.
I look to the law for my answers.
God speaks to me much plainer from there.

And St Paul tells me to believe in God and in His Son Jesus Christ too.

Regarding the Sabbath. Are you saying we (Christians) are commanded therefore obligated to keep it as a weekly Sabbath. Observing it weekly?
That is what "Thou shalt" means to me.

It doesn't have to be weekly, but you shall proclaim them in their seasons.
I found, that by reading the law, then you can know what God wants us to do, and how to do it.
We do not have to be like the majority of Christians who are still wondering what Christians are obligated to do.

These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Leviticus 23:4

So do you believe God's word commands Christian to observe the Sabbath weekly (sat..or fri eve -sat eve). Are we obligated to this command?
When you have asked every man,
and some of them say Yeah, and some of them say Nay.

Will your question have been answered?
How long have you been asking it?

And what does the Lord say?

We are not under the law lovegodforever. This is a false teaching
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,)
how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Romans 7:1

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant,
how that all our fathers were under the cloud,
and all passed through the sea;

And were all baptized unto Moses
in the cloud and in the sea;

And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them:
and that Rock was Christ.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4

Romans 4:13ff

13For the promise that Abraham would be heir of the world was not made to him and his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if thosewho live by the Law are heirs, faith is useless and the promise is worthless,15because the Law brings wrath.
How does the law bring wrath?
By keeping it?
Of course not.
The law brings wrath upon those that are obligated to keep it, for not keeping it.

Who is obligated to keep it?
God's children are.

But surely, you know all this.

Cursed be he that confirms not all the words of this law to do them.
And all the people shall say, Amen.
Deuteronomy 29:29


Read the book of Galatians Hizikyah. Legalism adds to the perfect work of Christ. Christians are not under the law. To teach otherwise is false teaching.

13For the promise that Abraham would be heir of the world was not made to him and his descendants through the Law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by the Law are heirs, faith is useless and the promise is worthless,15because the Law brings wrath.

I say, if you read in the law, like God commands,
then you might understand what St Paul is speaking about.
But if you use St Paul to write off God's words, how shall you ever know God's words?
And how then shall you avoid the wrath?

And it shall be,
when he sits upon the throne of His kingdom,
that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book
out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
And it shall be with him,
and he shall read therein all the days of his life:
that he may learn to fear the LORD his God,
to keep all the words of this law and these statutes,
to do them:
That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren,
and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left:
to the end that he may prolong his days in His kingdom,
he, and his children,
in the midst of Israel.

Deuteronomy 17:18-20

Believe in the Gospel. Jesus can set you free my friend to serve from the heart. The law will only condemn you..
It is St Paul that sets you free from Jesus' law. Isn't it?
Or a certain interpretation of certain of his sayings.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me:
for he wrote of Me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words?
John 5:46-47

But the good news is that Christ has fulfilled all righteousness so that in Him we to fulfill all righteousness.
How is one fulfilling righteousness, when they are trying to steer others away from God's law?

God's righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and His law is the truth.
Psalm 119:142

When God see's you in His Son he see's His Son's finished work.
The instructions on how to come before God are in His law.
If you want Him to see you.

St Paul says it too.

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:1

Then you quote sayings of St Paul to justify why not to keep the Lord's sayings,
but I cannot believe that was St Paul's intention.

Having some knowledge of the law, I see that St Paul is teaching it.
When St Paul says something, go find it in the law, so you may know what he is speaking about.

I have answered. However, because you don't understand the gospel, you haven't picked up the answer.
Have you ever considered, that we have heard your gospel?
Even a thousand times over from people like your self.
But because it excludes most of the Lord's words, including His law,
that is why they don't eat the blood of it.

The difference is you use 'obedience' as being a list of laws to dutifully be observed. The Sabbath being one of them. This is what Paul preaches against in Galatians.
And you use 'obedience' to justify making offerings which steer them away from doing God's laws.

That is not what St Paul was preaching.

Christians fulfil from the heart of love, only because they have been 'set free' from the bondage of sin, and from being under the law. We are now under grace.
Fulfil what though?

It certainly isn't God's commandment you are fulfilling, whilst you are speaking against it.

Oh, When a believer sins, he is not under the condemnation of the law, like an unbeliever or those who put themselves under the law.
But that is because believers keep the law as God says.
Isn't it.

Since God says to keep the law,
those who do not think it needs to be kept, are not believing God.
Are they.
Once you understand the the gospel the answer becomes obvious. The Gospel is everything Hizikyah not law. The law brings condemnation.
Once you understand the law, then you realize, that is the gospel of the kingdom.
There is where mankind first learned of the promised land.
There is where mankind can still go, to learn how become established in the kingdom of God.

All the commandments which I command thee this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land
which the LORD sware unto your fathers.

Deuteronomy 8:1

And again, you quote the same few verses from St Paul.

Do you know anything that Jesus said?
or does your gospel completely purge His word from your memory?

The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
John 6:62

Here is more of what Paul says:
Is Paul your saviour?
And were you saved from doing God's will?

Jesus has done what the law could not do.. Jesus set us free from the commands and curse of the law. We no longer follow the law. And we are not obliged to observe the Sabbath.
Jesus said, Pick up My cross and follow Me.

And the cross Jesus bore was to do the Father's will, and keep all the commandments.

By the way since you say I only provide one side of Paul (as if Paul had 2 gospels..No there is only one gospel). Where does Paul say we are commanded to observe the Sabbath?
I already gave one example above, Romans 12:1

Here is another for you.

For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened:
not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon,
that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

2 Corinthians 5:4

When one makes the sabbath as the Lord commands,
then they groan in the spirit, seeking the tabernacles of Jacob.
And then shall God clothe us with His spirit.


You need to concentrate on Jesus and His perfect work on your behalf.
And yet you concentrate on a limited set of St Paul's sayings.

Your obsessed with Law and commandments.
You're obsessed with discrediting God's law and commandments,
and steering people away from them.

It would be great if you were obsessed with talking about Jesus and not your own works of the law and how we all must be Sabbatarians.
Jesus is the Lord, who gave His commandments by the hand of Moses.

And He is the Lord of the sabbath day also.

Then you quote your favorite passage again.
Which keeps you focus off Jesus, and off the commandments and the law.
Doesn't it?

And Yahshua said this:
Do you still live?
Because you offering us this...

"the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?"

... and saying you are not under it's authority.

Anytime you mention Jesus, its only as a sideline to following commands.
It's a commandment.

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;
neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering:
with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.[/FONT]
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Leviticus 2:13

Every oblation you offer is against the covenant of God.
Isn't it.

And John wrote the book of John.
Both Johns and Pauls are the inspired words of God. You do remember Jesus is God!
Do you remember that word is God?

Pauls writings are dripping about Jesus. And Pauls words are in inspired by God..Jesus is God remember?
All the more reason to turn to God's words, and be faithful in keeping His commandments.
Isn't it.

It seems to me you have an issue with the inspiration of scripture. Have you forgotten that the apostle peter put Pauls writings in par with scripture?
Yet, still not above it.

Have you forgotten that Paul got His revelation directly from Christ?
Which is why St Paul teaches to keep the law too.


Galations 1
Why do you never quote these?

[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]Not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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Romans 2:13

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 Corinthians 7:19


the more I read from you the more concerned I get.. you are basically denying the authority of all scripture, except what you choose.
You are the one who chosen to exclude most of what God says in the Bible, based of what? five or six verses of St Paul.
Your whole gospel is continually confessing it.

As I say you have no credibility. Its clear what you said and what you mean't: here it is again.
You will praise them that keep your sayings.
And say "no credibility" to them who are saying to keep Jesus' sayings.

Once one has to deny the authority of all scripture to prove a point (or make some scripture inferior) - that is the time we know the point is false!
Scripture supports itself.
All the prophets and the Apostles teach to observe all the things that the Lord has commanded.
Your gospel isn't an authority over the scriptures.
It is just your excuse why you don't keep the law as God says in the scripture.
Paul has as much authority as John in the scriptures. Why, because it is all God breathed!

For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.[c]12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Galatians 1.
But not everyone has a good interpretation or understanding.

Many are out there teaching that St Paul is the last word, and what God and Jesus said is obsolete, old covenant, ra ra, you heard it all before.

For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law;
but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Galations 6:13

When you convert someone to your gospel,
you will glory when they repeat your sayings back to you.

Meanwhile, your wrath is towards them that say to do as God commands.

You are saying that Paul is not on parr with other scripture writers because he does not 'directly quote' Jesus's sayings. Heres what you say about Paul's writings:
St Paul says to believe Jesus, doesn't he.

So St Paul himself does not put himself on par with Jesus.

But you show the typical propensity to denounce all the things Jesus said, that are shown to you by believers,
using a certain few of St Paul's words to do so.

Which is a gross misinterpretation of what St Paul was trying to convey.
If he was here now, I'm sure he would scold you good and proper.

What you have done is very subtle but very dangerous. I will remind you of what scripture says.
The Bible is bigger than the few select verses you have used to back your gospel.

It was too easy for me to find words of Jesus which contradict it.

I think you would need to tell me which ones you think are the words of Jesus first?
You want other to eat your gospel, and to drink the blood of it,
but you yourself need to ask which are Jesus' words?

Why should a person keep your gospel, while you are confessing to not knowing which are Jesus' words?
This could be easliy sorted. Do you believe Christian are commanded to observe the Sabbath (sat -fri eve-sat eve-)?
Is the Bible the holy book of the Christians?
Are you able to read?

Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God,
and keep His charge, and His statutes, and His judgments, and His commandments, alway.

Deuteronomy 11:1

~~~`
I'm sorry if this is long, but I tried to address all you points.
I'm sorry if this seemed harsh, I tried to be gracious, and not attack your 'credibility',
and believe I was certainly no more harsh than you have been against God's words, and His law.
And against those anointed who pointed His words out to you.

Bless Jesus
Paul
 

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=Grandpa;3324997]Hebrews 4:1-11
=Grandpa;3324997]Hebrews 4:1-11

1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.






So GP, what are the examples that fell, and why did they fall? Was it because they kept God's Commandments? Or because they
"Transgressed God's Commandments by their own traditions"? Didn't these example reject God's Word? Isn't that how we all know they didn't really believe, even though they said they did?

Didn't Jesus tell us exactly why they fell?

Matt. 157 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.:

Isn't the reason they fell because they rejected God's Sabbath and created their own version? One where it was unlawful to help a brother in need on His Sabbath.
It says why they fell. Its because of unbelief. Its because of no faith.

You could work all day at what you think the law says and think you are really righteous for doing it. But you would be wrong. The law is not of faith. The law is for the unrighteous and ungodly. Those who have not been to Christ.

1 Timothy 1:9 [FONT=&quot]Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,[/FONT]

Isn't this why were told to "Walk even as he Walked"? And what Sabbath did Jesus walk in. The Sabbath created by the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time? Did in walk in your Sabbath GP?

No, He walked in the same Sabbath that He created for man before He became man. The Holy 7th Day Sabbath was created by Him, For Him and Through Him. Jesus is truly "Lord of the Sabbath"

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

"For the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."

Why do men reject this simple Biblical instruction? And will God give you understanding of the following verses if you reject the simplest of all Commandments to keep?


Galatians 3:1-3
Galatians 3:3 [FONT=&quot]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

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So your answer to Pauls question is yes, you are that foolish...?



So who were the preachers of that time bewitching folks?

There were Pharisees who were still preaching the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" as prescribed by Moses for the remission of sins.

And there were the Apostles who preached Grace, through Faith in Jesus for the remission of sins.

Can you deny this using the Bible as your source?

"This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, (Levitical Priesthood sacrifices for the remission of sins the Pharisees were still "bewitching" people with)or by the hearing of faith"( Belief in the Blood of Jesus for the remission of sins)
This is just adding to the Word what you wished it said.

Acts 15:5 [FONT=&quot]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

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If you understood what rest was to begin with then you would understand who the preachers were and what they were preaching that would "bewitch" folks.



This is an untruth you use to defend the man made doctrines and traditions of modern churches and is a deceitful statement.
They are questions. How can questions be untruth?


Galatians 3:10-12

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The Levitical Priesthood was the only law created for the remission of sins. It was Added to God's law, until the Seed should come. Heb. 7-10. Abraham didn't have it, and we don't have it. But from Moses till Jesus this was the way sins were forgiven.


I can't believe you are making judgments of Hiz, and you don't know these foundational truths of the Bible.
That's simply silly error that you and Hiz have introduced. Its a good philosophy for Judaizers and legalists. But its just not true.

Galatians 3:17-18
[FONT=&quot]17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Its just dishonest to claim that this is only the Levitical priesthood. That every time Paul mentions law he means Levitical priesthood. Its foolish.[/FONT]



12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

What Law is not of faith. "Love the invisible Lord your God with all your might and soul". No, even a child can see that this Law is of faith.
No its not.

How about "Remember a Sabbath say created from the beginning of creation by this same invisible God". No, this law is also followed by Faith.
No its not.

But what about the Levitical Priesthood made up of men we can see, who perform Ceremonial and sacrificial "Word and deeds" we can see, according to its Law for the remission of sins?

Is this law of Faith? No! You sin, you gather a sacrifice, you find a Levite, he performs "Works of the Law" and your sin was forgiven. No faith, just works.
That actually does require faith. Faith in the priest. And faith in the innocent blood.

You seem to be pretty confused on what is faith and what is not. I don't believe anyone is this foolish. I think you are doing it on purpose to try and support your silly philosophy.

WE know Abraham was "justified apart from this law" because they were not ADDED until 430 years after him. But Abraham was obedient to God's Laws as it is written.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So then those "Bewitching" the Galatians were not trying to preach obedience to God and the New Covenant He preached about years before Paul, they were trying to convince them that it was still necessary to perform the Levitical Priesthood "work of the Law" for remission of sins that Jesus replaced with his blood.

The rest of Galatians confirms this as well as all other scripture in the Bible old and new. It is Mainstream Christianity, as Jesus prophesied, and by extension you, that is deceived regarding this issue, not Hiz.

I mean no offence, but am saying these things to prompt you to dig into as we have, I am confident if you do, you will come up with the same truth.
I honestly think both of you are just blind to the Truth. You're stuck on the wrong thinking that Paul was against only the Levitical priesthood. Reading 2 Corinthians 3 should dispel that silliness really quickly.

Not in the context in which Paul uses them. The Law Paul speaks of Abraham didn't have. Now Abraham had Laws, and it might be debated on what laws they were concerning the Sabbath. But we know he didn't have the Levitical Priesthood as Levi had not been born.

Gal.3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

So we know Abraham had God's Laws.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

And we know God "ADDED" a law 430 years later. We also know that the Levitical Priesthood was this "ADDED" law. And is was added because of transgression of an existing law. And that this ADDED law was for the remission of sins "Until the Seed should come".

So you seem to missing a lot of scriptural evidence, and that may be why you take these scriptures out of context.
Its just dumb.

You have the Lord Jesus giving us rest from sacrificing animals. So really, the Lord came just to save bulls and goats. The only law that the Lord fulfilled was your so-called law of the Levites.

You see how dumb that is?




So what was the blood of goat to symbolize? Christ's blood, Yes? So no more need for the Levitical Priesthood, on with the new covenant of grace through faith for the remission of sins.

But the definition of sin has not changed according to the Scriptures.
Au contraire mon frere.

Romans 14:23 [FONT=&quot]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.[/FONT]




It's all in the Word of God. For Jesus said "Man shall live by Every Word of God" and the Truth shall set you free. Have faith in His Word and stop letting some religious franchise filter the scriptures. It's all right there in your Bible and in mine.
Why can't you understand the gospel? This is why;

2 Corinthians 3:14 [FONT=&quot]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

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Galatians 3:24-25
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Its not the Levitical law that was our schoolmaster. It was the law. The 10 commandments.

There aren't a whole bunch of people sacrificing animals hoping to get a revelation of Christ.

But there are a WHOLE bunch of people trying to work at the 10 commandments thinking that is what God wants.

When I was coming to Christ I remember feeling really dumb before Him. Not knowing anything. Judaizers and legalists make me feel like I was a complete genius. At least I knew I couldn't do it. You people still think you can. You don't realize how dumb that is. Even when you are shown Matthew 5:48 you come up with some new definition for perfect that really doesn't mean perfect it means trying your best...

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Thank you, Grandpa.

You aren't doing Gods Law. You are following a carnal commandment. A commandment that you think you understand and can fulfill by your own understanding, will, and strength.

And that is why if you are of the works of the law you are under the curse. Because the law is spiritual but you are carnal.
I get a different message, when I read God's word.
I see He says to keep His law a lot throughout His word, and don't understand how you can miss it.
And when Jesus comes, He helps me to understand God's words, so I can do them right.

Would God gives us a commandment we can not keep?
And then send His Son to tell us to keep it.
I don't believe so.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Do you even realize what this is saying?

St Paul is quoting from Deuteronomy 29:29 for you,
and it is saying opposite to what you just offered.


Romans 8:1-2
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
The law came by Moses, I'm sure you know.

That is the law which Jesus kept, and said to keep.
That is the law St Paul is saying to keep.

The law of sin and death was before God draw me to Jesus.
In coming to Jesus I received the holy commandment.
It is called the Bible.

Jesus never freed me from the law.
Except by giving me understanding of it, that's I got on top of it.

I think that people can be saved and still try to work at their understanding of what they think the law says.
This is a better saying.
Still it is a bit lukewarm.

St Paul says it somewhat more strongly.

For circumcision verily profits, if thou keep the law:
but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 2:25

Because, if it were up to people and their work and understanding then sadly no one would be saved.
By Jesus I keep the law.

I had all my questions about the commandments ready at His appearance.
His words were laid up in my heart, as I found to do written in the law.
So I was ready when He came, and He opened the Father's words for me like they are a flower.

Within weeks I went from wondering what the commandments are
to making the ark of the covenant and my candlestick.

No, He didn't abolish. He magnified. He showed everyone that without a doubt they couldn't accomplish it.
The only reason they can't is because they keep telling themself they can't, and so they don't even try.
So of course they can't.

They seem to have forgotten that their Bible says Jesus burden is light,
and that the commandments are not grievous.
People have no idea, how understanding the law can set one higher.
And they can't possibly realize how life is that much harder when we don't keep the law.

Not only could they not accomplish it but no one truly even understood it.
This is what I see when I look around at the Christians today.
(With some exceptions, of course).

The only thing Christians seem to know for sure about the law, is that it isn't to be kept.
Which is exactly the opposite to what God and Jesus says in the holy book.
Isn't it.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Its no oversight or mistake that the Lord Jesus nor the Apostles ever commanded Christians to rest on saturdays. That would be observing and working at a carnal commandment. The shadow and not the Truth.
The why do we have these sayings?

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.Matthew 12:8

And He said unto them,
That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luke 6:5

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Again, God's law came by Moses.
But somehow, you have been convinced that God's law is the law of sin and death.

But don't take my word for it, allow me show you what our Lord says.

All the commandments which I command thee this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land
which the LORD sware unto your fathers.

Deuteronomy 8:1

Keep My commandments, and live;
and My law as the apple of thine eye.

Proverbs 7:2

If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 17:19

And I know that His commandment is life everlasting.
John 12:50

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Paul is saying here, there is no hope of doing the commandments without Jesus.

Don't think that I am saying that.
But with Jesus there is a good hope of fulfilling all the commandment.

2 Corinthians 3:7-8

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
If the spirit before me is unwilling to teach me God's commandments, I cast it out.

The Spirit of God will teach me the Father's commandments.

Galatians 3:23-26

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
My faith is now in the law, even in all God's words.

How can it not be, after it brought me to Christ.
And why I believe we should be teaching it as Jesus said to,
so others can be brought to Christ too.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest
When I came to Jesus, and He granted the Holy Ghost to teach me,
it is the Father's words that He taught me.

He didn't say new covenant old covenant, and just have faith, and now you are saved by Grace, and all the sorts of things that Christians say.
No, He set me to to doing the works.

I found, His law is a delight, whence I overcame the spirits that kept me from it.

This is all going to click in a legalists mind one day... They'll be reading Matthew 5 and all these other scriptures will come to mind and BAM... Saved Christian full of grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is your prayer.

And my prayer is that you would not attach such a label for obedience to the word, like it is some kind of heresy.

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Apparently, according to legalism, there was no further need.
A thousand Christians before you came to tell me that.

But I decided to check for myself.
(Seems like they forget they gave me their Bible.)

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
When I read this, all the letters from all the Christians trying to kill the law of the Spirit, comes to mind.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
I have showed you the verses where the Lord says the commandments are life,
so what do you think this saying from Paul means?

Do you believe is Paul directly contracting God and Jesus?
Making it safe for you to do so as well?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
And you keep quoting this, I don't think you even realize it says,
cursed is everyone that do not continue in the law.


What is the solution?
Haven't you heard, Believe Jesus?

He will help you keep God's commandments.
Even to understand all the things He spoke by Moses.

Romans 8:2-7
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The law of sin and death is the 10 commandments written on stone. People can't do it so it is weak through the flesh. But when people come to Christ the Lord gives them the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the cause of our Righteousness, the cause of our walking in Gods Statutes. This Power is from God and is not from our understanding or will or strength.
Now you are going to attempt to tell us what the commandments are?
What gall.
After all your confessing how you don't keep it, and how it is death, and a curse, etc,
we're supposed to believe you can tell us about it now?

And you think you got the righteousness of the law through not keeping it.

Turning the children away from observing God's commandments is not righteousness, my friend.

If we walk away from Christ and try to work at the law again in our own understanding we have abandoned Liberty and have become entangled again in the yoke of bondage. (Death, curse, condemnation, etc...) ;Our only hope is in Christ.
In my search for Jesus, I came across so many spirits which teach against the law,
and which say the law ended, and so many other such things to keep us away from it.
I rejected them all,
for the written word tells us that Jesus will teach us the commandments.
And that God says we shall keep the commandments.
So I take it, that the spirit that teaches against the commandments isn't of God.

Like Jesus in the wilderness after His baptism, just correctly quote some verses from the law to that spirit,
they quickly fold and go away.

And in your next next post.

Hebrews 4:1-11

1 Timothy 1:9

Galatians 3:3

Acts 15:5

Galatians 3:17-18

12 And the law is not of faith:

Romans 14:23

2 Corinthians 3:14

Galatians 3:24-25
Now, I don't have anything against St Paul, but happened to the front of your Bible?
You know, the parts that contain God's words, and Jesus' words?

I don't have anything against St Paul, but I am against his word being used to somehow try and eliminate all that God said.

You could work all day at what you think the law says and think you are really righteous for doing it. But you would be wrong. The law is not of faith. The law is for the unrighteous and ungodly. Those who have not been to Christ.
One could, and generations of Israel have.
But with faith in Jesus, and with His help,
first by His words, because we don't know how to call on Him,
then by His Spirit when He comes.

But if Jesus comes, and you tell Him the law cannot be done, even as you are telling yourself now,
how will Jesus help you?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Upon conversion we are given the holy commandment.
It is written in the Bible, yet it is the law by the Holy Spirit of God.

Having begun in that, you think you can be made perfect by the law of faith, which is something that arises in the flesh.

In the period of washing, we must check our faith, that it conforms to God's word.
Rend any sayings that do not, out of our garments.

Its just dishonest to claim that this is only the Levitical priesthood. That every time Paul mentions law he means Levitical priesthood. Its foolish.
Then how come so many sayings of Paul come from Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

Even one that you quote.

No its not.

No its not.

That actually does require faith. Faith in the priest. And faith in the innocent blood.
In your way,
you show how much faith it must take to keep the laws of God.

Faith which you do not have.
Which not many have.

I honestly think both of you are just blind to the Truth. You're stuck on the wrong thinking that Paul was against only the Levitical priesthood. Reading 2 Corinthians 3 should dispel that silliness really quickly.
Paul wasn't against anything godly.
He may sometimes have preached without wisdom of words,
but I believe his faith was in the word.

After all, the word is God.
You have the Lord Jesus giving us rest from sacrificing animals. So really, the Lord came just to save bulls and goats. The only law that the Lord fulfilled was your so-called law of the Levites.
I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be My people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jeremiah 7:22-23

I put that verse, because that was the verse that jolted me from believing that God once commanded animal sacrifices.
It was a relief too, I tell you.

Why can't you understand the gospel?
Some of would rather understand God's law.
Since that is His gospel.

Its not the Levitical law that was our schoolmaster. It was the law. The 10 commandments.
How can you know? when you have forsaken it.

All the words in the law are summed up in the 10 commandments, but all the words are necessary for us to know how to do them.

How can you believe the Lord left us a book with mostly redundant words?
What sort of a God is that?

There aren't a whole bunch of people sacrificing animals hoping to get a revelation of Christ.
You sacrifice your time bringing your bull unto men.
Even to the teachers of the law.
And I don't think you have even brought it before the Lord yet.

But there are a WHOLE bunch of people trying to work at the 10 commandments thinking that is what God wants.
I didn't have to take thought for that.
It is plainly written in the holy scriptures, that God does want us to keep His commandments.
Actually, no, sorry I am wrong, He says His children shall keep them.
When I was coming to Christ I remember feeling really dumb before Him. Not knowing anything. Judaizers and legalists make me feel like I was a complete genius. At least I knew I couldn't do it. You people still think you can. You don't realize how dumb that is. Even when you are shown Matthew 5:48 you come up with some new definition for perfect that really doesn't mean perfect it means trying your best...
Nobody achieved anything by telling themselves it is impossible.
Or believing in the naysayers that tell us impossible.

Jesus said unto him,
If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Mark 9:23


Just two small questions before I go. Do you really think that Levitical law is the only law that the Lord fulfilled?
There is but one law of God.

For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee,
neither is it far off.

Deuteronomy 30:11

Even though He said He didn't come to abolish the law, the levitical law was abolished anyway by the Lord. Do you think He lied?
God's word is eternal.

For verily I say unto you,
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,
till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:18

And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Luke 16:17


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Sorry for the typos.
The 5 minute edit time isn't enough, when the posts are this long.
I must remember to use Preview.

Peace, Love and unleavened bread
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Why were 10 Commandments written separately in stone by GOD?
And not only that ...but also SPOKEN by GOD to the people....whilst the rest of the commandments came through MOSES...when the people REFUSED to hear God anymore....so the separation is obvious and recorded in scripture Ex 20v1-19 and Deut 5 pay spec attention to v22-27. GOD spoke the 10 to all the assembly and added no more....so these 10 are the commandments/law of God because they are sacred/spiritual/eternal...whereas the rest of them that were given through Moses were the temporary works of the law or ordinances dealt with on the cross by our Savior Yahshua/Jesus Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.

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I cannot believe this has went to 10 pages on keeping the Sabbath, Jesus never taught that we needed to keep the Sabbath. He did teach that He is the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. For those that hang thier righteousness on keeping the Sabbath. Here's what Jesus said about the commandments.

Matthew 22:35-40 “Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”


37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and great commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Keep these two and you keep all 10, it is not that hard to understand, here's the kicker Jesus did not make two new commandments. Those two were always what fulfilled to 10.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.”

Leviticus 19:17-18 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.”

Leviticus here sounds like the sermon on the mount, but loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and stength; and your neighbor as yourself has always been the fulfillment of the Law.

Here's what Jesus taught about the Sabbath and how He kept the Sabbath.

Matthew 11:28-12:8
“Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath.”3 He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him:4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless?6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here.7 And if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28 “And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Who were the Pharisees condemning? They were condemning the disciples for braking that Sabbath and Jesus calls them guiltless. That is why He said that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

How many times did Jesus brake the Sabbath by healing someone, but for all those that believe that they need to keep the Sabbath, can you show me Scripture that teaches that you no longer have to obey Numbers 28:9-10 to obseve the Sabbath?

“And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering—10 this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering.”
I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the OT keeping of the Sabbath....so lets see how Yahshua/Jesus kept it in the NT.
Did He or did He not always keep His Fathers Commandments ? Did they INCLUDE keeping the Sabbath 7th day ?
Is He our living walking Example to follow....scripture says so !
but it becomes now in the NT a CHOICE and no longer a Command on pain of death as in the OT. At this point let us not forget that there will be an 'ultimate judgement for doing wrong and the death-penalty still stands if we continue in error....it just means that in this period of GRACE wherin we stand the death-penalty has been delayed to give man time to turn from sin...which is the transgressing of God's Commandments/law 1Joh 3v4.
But this Choice we have is not to give us a 'way out of sabbath-keeping (as most people think when they quote Rom14) but to show God our mind and heart, how much we honour and respect Him....do we keep HIS WORD in MIND and HEART or do we make our own decisions when given a choice ?
It has turned out that christianity allowed themselves to be led astray by Rome and it's false jesus...stealing people/baby christians away from GOD's holy care...dangling in front of them a shining new toy...sun-day.
Is God going to let them die in their ignorance ? NO, now they are older and able to receive instruction from HIM He is granting REPENTANCE and REAL access to eternal life. NObody now needs to be one of the MANY on the way to destruction.
God bless and help you reconsider !
 

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I don't think we need to concern ourselves with the OT keeping of the Sabbath....so lets see how Yahshua/Jesus kept it in the NT.
But Jesus was observing the Old Testament law which had not yet been atoned for. Indeed He observed all the principles of the Pharisees. Are you suggesting we do that too?,



Did He or did He not always keep His Fathers Commandments ? Did they INCLUDE keeping the Sabbath 7th day ?
But as a Jew He was bound by the old covenant of Exod 20.


Is He our living walking Example to follow....scripture says so !
Yes we are to follow Jesus, but not to observe the old covenant which has been replaced.

but it becomes now in the NT a CHOICE and no longer a Command on pain of death as in the OT.
In Jesus day it was still a command under pain of death. The Romans however would not allow the death penalty,

At this point let us not forget that there will be an 'ultimate judgement for doing wrong and the death-penalty still stands if we continue in error....it just means that in this period of GRACE wherin we stand the death-penalty has been delayed to give man time to turn from sin...which is the transgressing of God's Commandments/law 1Joh 3v4.
John spoke of a NEW commandment. The old is done away. The Sabbath was a foretaste of God's rest, and was a sign to, ISRAEL. It was only ever commanded on Israel.

But this Choice we have is not to give us a 'way out of sabbath-keeping (as most people think when they quote Rom14) but to show God our mind and heart, how much we honour and respect Him....do we keep HIS WORD in MIND and HEART or do we make our own decisions when given a choice ?
Rom 14 makes clear that we are to observe a day to the glory of God. It does not call on us to observe the Sabbath, nor indeed to observe its requirements, We are to observe the Spirit's guidance. It is not a matter of our own choice,,


It has turned out that christianity allowed themselves to be led astray by Rome and it's false jesus
Rom 14 is also against Rome's teaching also.


God bless and help you reconsider !
you may remain under the old covenant if you wish, we rejoice in the new covenant.
 

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And not only that ...but also SPOKEN by GOD to the people....
To whom? He said it was to the people who had been delivered from Egypt. It was all a part of the covenant with ISRAEL

whilst the rest of the commandments came through MOSES...when the people REFUSED to hear God anymore.
No the people signed up to it ALL. But the rest was amplification,


...so the separation is obvious and recorded in scripture Ex 20v1-19 and Deut 5 pay spec attention to v22-27. GOD spoke the 10 to all the assembly and added no more....
These WERE His covenant with Israel,

so these 10 are the commandments/law of God because they are sacred/spiritual/eternal..
who says so? You or God? They were a part of His covenant with Israel.

.whereas the rest of them that were given through Moses were the temporary works of the law or ordinances dealt with on the cross by our Savior Yahshua/Jesus Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.
No they were an amplification of the original. All were given to ISRAEL.

God bless and enlighten all who read
Yes you need enlightening :)
 
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To whom? He said it was to the people who had been delivered from Egypt. It was all a part of the covenant with ISRAEL No the people signed up to it ALL. But the rest was amplification, These WERE His covenant with Israel,who says so? You or God? They were a part of His covenant with Israel. No they were an amplification of the original. All were given to ISRAEL. Yes you need enlightening :)
Rom 14 makes clear that we are to observe a day to the glory of God. It does not call on us to observe the Sabbath, nor indeed to observe its requirements, We are to observe the Spirit's guidance. It is not a matter of our own choice,, Rom 14 is also against Rome's teaching also. you may remain under the old covenant if you wish, we rejoice in the new covenant.
Answered with scripture in Post # 194 linked for easy access.
 
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Thank you, Beta.

so lets see how Yahshua/Jesus kept it in the NT.
The 40 days in the wilderness was an almighty sabbath.
(Not recommended for the novice.)

But there are several other references.

And when He had sent them away, He departed into a mountain to pray.
Mark 6:46

He even took some of the disciples with Him one time.

And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings,
He took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

Luke 9:29

Not really kosher, but this was a special case, with special purpose.
That is, we got a report of how it was like for Jesus in sabbath.

Did He or did He not always keep His Fathers Commandments ? Did they INCLUDE keeping the Sabbath 7th day ?
These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Leviticus 23:4

Afflicting one's soul and groaning in the spirit isn't such an easy thing to do, to be doing it weekly.
When you are feeling overcome by the world, and need refreshment, then proclaim a fast.

Is He our living walking Example to follow....scripture says so !
Amen.

Bless God
Paul
 

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Valiant ! you are right, it was all given to Israel - God never established any covenant with gentiles or christians...whether new or old.
The point being that people/gentiles/strangers had to turn to GOD and follow His instructions starting with associationg themselves closely with His people Israel Ex 12 to come under the same law.
Even in the NT we are all to become spiritual Israelites to share in their covenants and promises of God. There is no separate covenant with christians or any stranger not part of the commonwealth of Israel Eph 2 ; Heb 8 ;!!!

In Rom 7, Paul (an Apostle of God) says the Commandments (ordained to life)are spiritual, holy, just and good. They show us SIN when we don't keep them 1Joh 3v4.

So, if merged with Israel we are under the same Commandments..which include the 7th day Sabbath.
 

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Valiant ! you are right, it was all given to Israel - God never established any covenant with gentiles or christians...whether new or old.
The point being that people/gentiles/strangers had to turn to GOD and follow His instructions starting with associationg themselves closely with His people Israel Ex 12 to come under the same law.
Even in the NT we are all to become spiritual Israelites to share in their covenants and promises of God. There is no separate covenant with christians or any stranger not part of the commonwealth of Israel Eph 2 ; Heb 8 ;!!!

In Rom 7, Paul (an Apostle of God) says the Commandments (ordained to life)are spiritual, holy, just and good. They show us SIN when we don't keep them 1Joh 3v4.

So, if merged with Israel we are under the same Commandments..which include the 7th day Sabbath.

A New Covenant<Faith in the Messiah.... same Commandments of GOD= Adopted Children of GOD who Believe GOD.. it is the Faith of Abraham..

Holy Spirit is the seal a circumcised heart..


all by GOD’s Love, Power and Grace.. Blessed are we.
 

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HI Phil, Good morning my time...

Just some thoughts from God's Word for your statement above........



Who is adding to the perfect work of Christ and how are they doing this in your view? If you cannot answer the question why are you accusing others of legalism?



Christians are indeed not under the Law of God. (1) what does it mean to be "Under the Law"?
(2) Also what is a Christian in your view? Isn't a Christian those that believe and follow the Word of God through love?
(3) Is someone professing to be a Christian who is living a life in unrepentant sin a Christian in your view? I know you will not answer these questions as you have not answered the posts and scriptures and questions I have provided already.

(1) What does it mean to be under the Law according to God's Word.....................?

To be "Under the Law" means to be convicted by the Law of God as a sinner because we do not know what sin is without God’s Law because sin is the transgression of God’s Law and it gives us a knowledge of what sin is and leads us to Jesus (1 John 3:4; Rom 3:20; Rom 7:7; Gal 3:24)

Romans 2:12-13
"ALL WHO SIN WITHOUT THE LAW SHALL PERISH WITHOUT THE LAW, and ALL WHO SIN UNDER THE LAW will be judged by the law. FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD, but the DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED."

To be "under the Law" means to be guilty of sin...............

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Romans 3:9

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are ALL UNDER SIN

None righteous no not one, all are under the law as sinners. God's Law is the knowledge of good and evil, sin and righteousness and is the great standard in the judgement.....

So this is why it is correct to say Christians are not "Under the Law" because they are not practicing sin..........

John 8:31-32, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


John 8:34
, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.


John 8:36
, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


1 John 3:3

3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOSOEVER SINS (practices as in unrepentant) HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS. 8, HE THAT COMMITS SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works (SIN) of the devil.

Someone living a life in known unrepentant sin breaking any of God's commandments is not a Christian according to God's Word knowing the love of God and needs to be born again (1 John 3:9).........

If we break one of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of God's Law (James 2:8-12)

For by grace are you saved through faith (alone) and not of yourself it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast. If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience it is dead being alone and you are still in your sins.......

The 4th commandment, which is God's command to remember the 7th Day weekly Sabbath is one of the 10 (Exodus 20 :8-11) just like the commandments of stealing, lying and adultery.............


Sunday Worship is a teaching and tradition of man handed down from the Roman Catholic Church to the mainstream Churches of today that breaks the commandments of God.

Jesus says; If we break the commandments of God by following the traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow, the traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

Hi Lovegodforever,

Thank you for your posts, They clearly show what you believe.

As I have said before you start of with great energy, you almost say all the right things to give an air of authenticity to the gospel. However it becomes very clear that although you say we are saved by faith alone (in red above) you then go on to show that you mean faith that is accompanied by works of the law (in blue above).


This is another gospel. You equate being obedient in Faith to being obedient to the works of the law. You do not seem to have quite understood what it means to 'walk in the Spirit' nor understand Christs work on our behalf.


 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14-26, “14 My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. 15, "And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, 16, "but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? 17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18, "But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19, "You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20, "But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21, "Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? 22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23, "And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Yah, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Yah. 24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. 25, "In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”[/FONT]
 

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=Grandpa;3324997]Hebrews 4:1-11
=Grandpa;3324997]Hebrews 4:1-11

1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.







It says why they fell. Its because of unbelief. Its because of no faith.

You looked right at the Words of Christ and denied them. Both Isaiah and Jesus just explained why the Mainstream Preachers of that time were rejected and you flat our deny what they said.

Fascinating.


You could work all day at what you think the law says and think you are really righteous for doing it. But you would be wrong. The law is not of faith. The law is for the unrighteous and ungodly. Those who have not been to Christ.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,



Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

So your answer to Pauls question is yes, you are that foolish...?

Yes the law is for the lawless and disobedient. If a person rejects God's Laws, then they remain lawless and disobedient. Not sure what you point is. Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Isn't the reason we need to repent because we were lawless and disobedient?


Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

If you understood what rest was to begin with then you would understand who the preachers were and what they were preaching that would "bewitch" folks.
You have a habit of ignoring scriptures that might shed light on your preaching. Why don't you include the "action" part of Peter in acts 15?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

(Not turned to a church that "transgresses the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions)


20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.(2 Food Laws given by God to Moses, and 2 moral Laws also from the Law of Moses) You missed this important part of the Chapter GP. Why would you do such a thing?

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

And what will they learn from Moses GP? Christmas? Will the learn how to create images of God after the likeness of fish or some long haired men's hairs shampoo model?

No, they will learn about God's Commandments you preach against. They will learn what you condemn as "Judaism" and "Legalism".


That's simply silly error that you and Hiz have introduced. Its a good philosophy for Judaizers and legalists. But its just not true.

Not true in the traditions and doctrine of man you call "Christianity", but certainly true according to "EVERY" Word of God.

Galatians 3:17-18
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Its just dishonest to claim that this is only the Levitical priesthood. That every time Paul mentions law he means Levitical priesthood. Its foolish.
I never said any such thing and you know it. I am speaking to the context of the term "Works of the Law". This term, when used by Paul, is always referring to the Levitical Priesthood being pushed by the Pharisees still to this day. I never said every time he mentioned "law" he was referring to the LP. Another untruth.


Once again you are forced to ignore scripture that shed light on your preaching. Let's continue so we may get a more complete understanding of what Paul teaches.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Transgressions of what? There had to be a law to transgress. Why was Abraham given the promise? Let's ask God.


Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.




Abraham had God's laws. Will you deny that? But did he have the Levitical Priesthood? No, Levi wasn't even born yet. No, the Levitical Priesthood was "ADDED" 430 years later and was to continue "Until the Seed should come". So it was "ADDED" to the Laws Abraham was blessed for keeping.

So in the context of Gal and Rom 3, the "works and deeds of the Law referred to this "ADDED" law. It was a carnal law.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


They identified this "ADDED" law in Hebrews as well.

Heb. 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,



16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, (Speaking to the Levitical Priesthood specifically) but after the power of an endless life.



Paul knew the difference between God's Holy, Just, Good and Spiritual Law, and the carnal, fleshy "Levitical Priesthood ceremonial, sacrificial "Works and deeds of the Law" for remission of sins.





Even if you don't.


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it seems that those who argue for the Sabbath don't even understand it. The Sabbath was NOT a day for worship it was a day of complete cessation from work. So all their 'keeping of the Sabbath' is incorrect.
 

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it seems that those who argue for the Sabbath don't even understand it. The Sabbath was NOT a day for worship it was a day of complete cessation from work. So all their 'keeping of the Sabbath' is incorrect.
Seems you dont understand it either it was a day set aside for doing His will, not your own;

Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”
 

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Valiant ! you are right, it was all given to Israel - God never established any covenant with gentiles or christians...whether new or old.
The point being that people/gentiles/strangers had to turn to GOD and follow His instructions starting with associationg themselves closely with His people Israel Ex 12 to come under the same law.
Even in the NT we are all to become spiritual Israelites to share in their covenants and promises of God. There is no separate covenant with christians or any stranger not part of the commonwealth of Israel Eph 2 ; Heb 8 ;!!!

In Rom 7, Paul (an Apostle of God) says the Commandments (ordained to life)are spiritual, holy, just and good. They show us SIN when we don't keep them 1Joh 3v4.

So, if merged with Israel we are under the same Commandments..which include the 7th day Sabbath.
Paul explains this nicely in Romans 11.

Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit (Christ)be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root(Christ's foundation) be holy, so are the branches.(Those like Abraham who followed them)
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree,(Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Acts:2619 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they(ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Paul never taught a different set of instructions for one strain of DNA over another. This is part of the deception Jesus said to Take Heed of that "many" will come in His name to preach. But if we follow the instructions of Jesus and not man, we will know we are to "live by EVERY Word that comes from God, not just those scripture that can be used to promote one man made doctrine or another.

Great post BETA :)