=mailmandan;3374466]You are not fooling the body of Christ on Christian Chat with your straw man arguments, your subtle mixture of law and grace, your perverted Sabbath gospel or your long winded nonsense in general. We are not fooled by modern day, misguided teachers of the Law/shady lawyer types from various movements that are rooted in SDA logic and clothed in pride and arrogance.
I welcome your scorn Dan. What else do you have?
The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
Rom. 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Acts 26:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea,
and then to the Gentiles, that
they should repent and
turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill
me.
22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
23 That Christ should suffer,
and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Acts 24:
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy,
so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Luke 18:
31 Then he took
unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem,
and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Luke 24:
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
2 Tim. 2:
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane
and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Tim. 3:
16 All scripture
is given by inspiration of God, and
is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Col. 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,
visible and invisible, whether
they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and
by him all things consist.
14 And the
Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
17 For the law(Instruction) was given by Moses,
but grace(forgiveness of sins) and truth(spirit of understanding)
came by Jesus Christ.
Paul taught that God's Word IS the Gospel of Christ. We learn of God's Grace and His Salvation from His Word.
The Gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. The Gospel is not salvation through our best efforts to obey the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on keeping the Sabbath day) and the Gospel is also not the entire Old Testament.
If man rejects God's Word, then how can man know what the Gospel is? Exactly, so man creates their own Gospel, with it's own image of God created in the likeness of man, man creates their own high days, Their own Sabbaths, their own version of righteousness. And the righteous walk and lifestyle of Jesus they mock, and those who would strive to follow His instructions as commanded are scorned, ridiculed.
This behavior is as old as the serpent who used parts of God's Word to deceive Eve into disobedience, as Cain who hated his brother because Abel was faithful to God and Cain was not. As old as Caleb who was nearly stoned to death by his "brothers" for trusting Jesus more than his own mind. As old as Jeremiah who was hung in a septic tank for simply repeating the Word of God.
This same ritual of religious man's hatred towards anyone who would trust God enough to follow His instruction is clearly evident in the life of Jesus who was hated first, then murdered because He didn't preach man's traditions and doctrines to get along with the mainstream religion of His time, but taught the Word's of the God of Abraham.
And even when Jesus or His Apostles opened their own Book and showed them their sin, as did Stephen, they still rebelled against the God of the Bible and silenced him for good.
there is truly "No new thing under the sun".
*You are teaching a "different" gospel. A "works based" FALSE gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). It's time for you to repent, come down off your high horse and BELIEVE the Gospel by trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation.
I do trust the Jesus of the Bible. I don't trust a religion that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own centuries old religious man made doctrines doctrines and traditions.
Man made traditions, high days and images of God they created in the likeness of man didn't end very well for the Mainstream Preachers of His time.
Why you think man can behave this way today and be judged differently is fascinating.
You remind me of the Israelites in Romans 10:2 - For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.
Interesting truth about the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. They were liars, yet they accused Jesus of lying.
They were serving satan, yet they accused Jesus of having a devil.
They called themselves "Children of God", yet they rejected much of God's Word.
They said Abraham was their father, yet those who did the works of Abraham were mocked, scorned, ridiculed and killed.
Fascinating, they did all these things yet couldn't see what they were doing. But isn't that what being deceived is.
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
1 Cor. 3:
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;
not of the letter, (The Law can't give life, only Jesus can) but of the spirit: for the letter killeth,
but the spirit giveth life.
How on earth does this scripture make God's Old Testament void? where does it say that the New Covenant wipes out God's Laws? I have asked many times for this answer, yet have received nothing.
Jer. 31:
33 But this
shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put
my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
for I will forgive their iniquity
, and I will remember their sin no more.
Religious Man refuses to accept this truth about the New Covenant. Of course they must reject the Word of God here because it actually tells us what the New Covenant is.
It has nothing to do with re-defining God's Laws, or making His Word void that "MANY" who come in Christ's name preach.
It has to do with the Levitical Priesthood being "Changed" in regard to:
#1. how God's Laws are administered, and #2, How our sins are cleansed. (Heb. 7)
Paul teaches nothing different. Only a mainstream religion that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own ancient traditions preach that Jesus wiped out His Own Word when He died.
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Col. 2:
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord,
so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him,
and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy and vain deceit,
after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
What religious traditions are of the world and are traditions of man?
God's Sabbath? No, Jesus said God Created His Sabbath for man.
What about Passover? Did man create Passover? Is it a "worldly" tradition of man? No, surely you don't preach that Passover is a rudiment of the world.
What about the image of the handsome long haired men's hair shampoo model mainstream preachers call Jesus? Was this from man or from God? What about Christmas, Halloween, Easter, Sunday Sabbath? Which of these are created by God and which are created by man?
Of course most religious man can't/wont answer these questions. They believe they are "Free" to transgress and create just as the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time.
But I have answered them. Therefore I will not be "spoiled" by vain deceit of those who preach "rudiments of the World", or "Traditions of men".
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
days:
these are from God and not man, even you must agree with that statement.
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the
body (Church)
is of Christ.
Why would I not want to understand what was yet to come?
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a
voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen,
vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ
from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
I know you can't accept these truths, but I am hoping someone reading might be sparked into looking to God for answers and not the mainstream preaching of the day.
