Grace alone or grace plus works?
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Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.[John 18:20]
So, by using you eisegesis, seeing you believe 'world' means the entire sphere, and includes everybody who has ever lived, Jesus spoken openly to the entire earth, and everybody whoever lived. You have a crippled view of the word 'world'.
Jesus spoke openly to the world, but the world was limited to an area in the middle east. He never visited North America, South America, the North & South Poles, Russia, Asia, Africa, Australia, &c.
So, by using you eisegesis, seeing you believe 'world' means the entire sphere, and includes everybody who has ever lived, Jesus spoken openly to the entire earth, and everybody whoever lived. You have a crippled view of the word 'world'.
Jesus spoke openly to the world, but the world was limited to an area in the middle east. He never visited North America, South America, the North & South Poles, Russia, Asia, Africa, Australia, &c.
To answer the question - I think it's the wrong question, and therefore not answerable. One is saved by grace. After being saved, grace manifests works.
So if one claims to be saved, but no works show up, is one saved? Maybe, maybe not. That's between the person and God. But the person who was saved and does not manifest any works sure is lazy.
So if one claims to be saved, but no works show up, is one saved? Maybe, maybe not. That's between the person and God. But the person who was saved and does not manifest any works sure is lazy.
I like what you said BUT (there is always a BUT lol)), your assumption that if no works appears after being saved, then One just 'might not be saved Or NOT' may be subject to the views of people outside the Christian Circle.
The Holy Spirit within us who are truly saved does not necessarily bring out the "WORKS" that He requires in any defined period of time. It very well could be a year (or more or none) and could just simply consist of being a good and Faithful Christian who would stand with GOD under any circumstances even to death. Not every Christian is Called to do or be something.
J
good question,the answer lies in sincerity and humbleness,and accepting Jesus not just merely "claiming him" that's why it took me so long to come to God wholly,because it's not just as simple as...yeah sure I believe in Jesus so I'm saved" you have to in effect "accept everything" that Jesus did for us and particularly your own self,and be "willing to serve God" not just use his son as a shield,that's why being saved "is a knowing thing" because it changes "everything" your thoughts,your habits,your living situation,your values,because once you accept the holy spirit you feel "a change" that you want to serve God and appreciate his son's sacrifice,you no longer seek tons of things for yourself you starr "appreciating all you have" and in time you put God's will above your own,it's not "easy" but since when did God ever ask anyone to do something "easy"?
For example the scripture "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(war) with God"this scripture implies that you have to be "willing"to forsake(give up) worldly things,such as cursing,addiction,great wealth,lust,greed,hatred,this doesn't mean that you necessarily will give up these things but the point is that you are willing to give up things that may make you happy for the sake of pleasing God,it's not some fairy tale where you get everything and don't give up anything,God isn't like that,you must strive to uphold that which is right in God's eyes,and be an example to others,and he doesn't let you off easy.
You can't be idle/lazy in God's service because he'll chasten you when you do and eventually you will do what he calls you to do no matter how much a person tries to stall.
Whole faith in Jesus saves but it doesn't mean we become lazy in fact it means just the opposite,God lights a fire under us so to speak when we are supposed to be doing something for him and we don't for a time,being saved is basically a lifetime binding oath to God that you get eternal life and "must serve God" there is no "turning back" for no one not man,beast,devil,or demon can remove you from God's hand once in his hand.
For example the scripture "to be a friend of the world is to be at enmity(war) with God"this scripture implies that you have to be "willing"to forsake(give up) worldly things,such as cursing,addiction,great wealth,lust,greed,hatred,this doesn't mean that you necessarily will give up these things but the point is that you are willing to give up things that may make you happy for the sake of pleasing God,it's not some fairy tale where you get everything and don't give up anything,God isn't like that,you must strive to uphold that which is right in God's eyes,and be an example to others,and he doesn't let you off easy.
You can't be idle/lazy in God's service because he'll chasten you when you do and eventually you will do what he calls you to do no matter how much a person tries to stall.
Whole faith in Jesus saves but it doesn't mean we become lazy in fact it means just the opposite,God lights a fire under us so to speak when we are supposed to be doing something for him and we don't for a time,being saved is basically a lifetime binding oath to God that you get eternal life and "must serve God" there is no "turning back" for no one not man,beast,devil,or demon can remove you from God's hand once in his hand.
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