Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning

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I am not familiar with those abbreviations. Is one Plymouth Brethren?

I do agree with the faith issue . God reckons the whole human race as having none.(no faith) Many from my experience think they have some faith to start with .But that is not a biblical teaching.
Preacher4truth is evasive in his explanations, so, I doubt he will explain. The letters PB that he refers to means Primitive Baptist which I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church.
 
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Here's an excerpt from an Alistair Begg sermon...

What is the work of the Spirit of God?
It is to accomplish what cannot be accomplished in any other way, by any other root.
The Bible is so clear on this, if you read Ephesians 2.
He Says you were dead in your trespasses and in your sins.
You were made alive in Christ.
How can dead people come to life?
It will take a miracle.
You See, This is the gospel.
The gospel is not a word of encouragement to those who are well meaning people who would like to add a little religion.
It is not a word of encourage to those who want a little Jesus in their life.
No the word of the gospel is a word that comes to the rebel heart.
I am a rebel against God.
I might be indifferent to Him, I might be agnostic to Him.
But I am actually rebelling against Him.
He then comes by the Bible I am commanding you to do an about turn, to repent of your sins and believe in me.
And the individual says there is no way that is going to happen!
Its will take a miracle for that to happen.
Yes it will!
That is the miracle of regeneration.

You see, true regeneration happens when someone is confronted with the word of God, whether they read it or it is explained to them. They are given the very words that gives them wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.(2 Timothy 3:15)
Timothy was regenerated in his youth. All people are regenerated in the same way whether they are young or old. You said that it takes a miracle of God through regeneration to respond to spiritual truths and then turn around and say "they are given the words that leads them to salvation. Regeneration is the salvation that leads them to a knowledge of the truths of the gospel.
 
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And another outright lie but you've been doing this for quite a while now.

One can tell when their intended target has been hit, there are casualties and crying. I'm nailing your false gospel and exposing it, exposing you is just a bonus and you're telling on yourself here that you've been found out.

That and you still won't deal with the texts but just spew your doctrine around. I've given you Scripture and context, you don't want to deal with that, instead you resort to vitriol.

You're correct about my lacking in the knowledge of the Scriptures, I have lots more to learn. I've only read it through many times, read daily, and study daily commentaries, books, sermons, theological works.

But with all that, I have a LOT more to learn. But one thing is for certain, sir, your gospel is as false as the book of Mormon, both are heresy, which in my understanding is a dangerous doctrine that damn's men's souls to hell.

What you're telling me in your attempt to ridicule my lack of knowledge is that yours is superior. That's fine, I can read between the lines and it doesn't bother me, because yours is the same tactic that the false ministers in Paul's day used on him. (viz. 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians.) It's interesting that you use their same means of attack, and quite telling.

Now, you go on, go around and tell people out there they're elect and on their way to heaven because you can tell. Hmmm assuring people they're on their way to eternal life because you can tell, and when people hear your nonsense, they're going to say to themselves;

"Well, I believe in the afterlife, and FGC and the PB's say that means I am going to heaven, no matter what! And he says I don't need to believe the Gospel, nor in the God of the Bible, nor in repentance, nor have biblical faith in God. And? I can live like hell! Man, that sure is "attractive" to me!!!"

Yeah, yeah, you keep on preaching that nonsense sir. I think any fool can tell whose is the false gospel here.

That's going to work out nicely on the day you give an account, I'm sure.
I don't believe your attitude in this post deserves a response. but hear is one anyway. 1 Pet 3:15 - But sanctify (give honor to) he Lord God in your hearts; and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you "WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR". verse 16 - Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
 
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And another outright lie but you've been doing this for quite a while now.

One can tell when their intended target has been hit, there are casualties and crying. I'm nailing your false gospel and exposing it, exposing you is just a bonus and you're telling on yourself here that you've been found out.

That and you still won't deal with the texts but just spew your doctrine around. I've given you Scripture and context, you don't want to deal with that, instead you resort to vitriol.

You're correct about my lacking in the knowledge of the Scriptures, I have lots more to learn. I've only read it through many times, read daily, and study daily commentaries, books, sermons, theological works.

But with all that, I have a LOT more to learn. But one thing is for certain, sir, your gospel is as false as the book of Mormon, both are heresy, which in my understanding is a dangerous doctrine that damn's men's souls to hell.

What you're telling me in your attempt to ridicule my lack of knowledge is that yours is superior. That's fine, I can read between the lines and it doesn't bother me, because yours is the same tactic that the false ministers in Paul's day used on him. (viz. 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians.) It's interesting that you use their same means of attack, and quite telling.

Now, you go on, go around and tell people out there they're elect and on their way to heaven because you can tell. Hmmm assuring people they're on their way to eternal life because you can tell, and when people hear your nonsense, they're going to say to themselves;

"Well, I believe in the afterlife, and FGC and the PB's say that means I am going to heaven, no matter what! And he says I don't need to believe the Gospel, nor in the God of the Bible, nor in repentance, nor have biblical faith in God. And? I can live like hell! Man, that sure is "attractive" to me!!!"

Yeah, yeah, you keep on preaching that nonsense sir. I think any fool can tell whose is the false gospel here.

That's going to work out nicely on the day you give an account, I'm sure.
The elect are judged here in time by God's chastening, and will not be judged at the last day, Those who have not the Spirit of God are none of his and are not chastened here on earth but will be judged at the last day
 

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Preacher4truth is evasive in his explanations, so, I doubt he will explain. The letters PB that he refers to means Primitive Baptist which I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church.
Thanks . What does the primitive represent ? A earlier foundation?
 
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I am not familiar with those abbreviations. Is one Plymouth Brethren?

I do agree with the faith issue . God reckons the whole human race as having none.(no faith) Many from my experience think they have some faith to start with .But that is not a biblical teaching.
PB = Primitive Baptists
 

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Faith is a fruit of the Spirit. When you are born of the Spirit your faith that is given to you in regeneration grows as you come unto a knowledge of the truth.

I would agree the fruit or the food/ meat of the Spirit . He casues the growth if any
 
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The regenerated American Indian believed in a spiritual God, but had not been taught what to call him. That thought does not even enter the mind of the natural man who has not the Spirit of God dwelling within him. Some of your heckling reminds me of what Jesus had to go through. We can discuss the scriptures in a rational tone, if you can discipline yourself to do so.
Great. Muslims, who kill Christians in the name of Allah are in heaven as well my friend. The Egyptians who believed in an afterlife are there as well, even though they were into full blown idolatry.
 
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Timothy was regenerated in his youth. All people are regenerated in the same way whether they are young or old. You said that it takes a miracle of God through regeneration to respond to spiritual truths and then turn around and say "they are given the words that leads them to salvation. Regeneration is the salvation that leads them to a knowledge of the truths of the gospel.
And you know this how my friend? You are all over the place. First you said you could spot out those who were regenerate, then you said you could not, now you are saying you can here. And regeneration is a miracle. When someone is regenerate they believe in God. That is a miracle.
 
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I don't believe your attitude in this post deserves a response. but hear is one anyway. 1 Pet 3:15 - But sanctify (give honor to) he Lord God in your hearts; and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you "WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR". verse 16 - Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
With meekness and fear? You, who lied about our position, accusing us of that which we do not believe? Saying preach4truth had a paid preaching job when he does not? You, who humbly reject the works of men, but listen to preaching, which is them giving you a verbal commentary? My friend, you are far from being meek and humble.
 
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The regenerated American Indian believed in a spiritual God, but had not been taught what to call him. That thought does not even enter the mind of the natural man who has not the Spirit of God dwelling within him. Some of your heckling reminds me of what Jesus had to go through. We can discuss the scriptures in a rational tone, if you can discipline yourself to do so.
This quote, please read it my friend...


“Therefore, since we are born in darkness and blind to the things of God, as glorious as the theatre of creation is in revealing God as Creator, it is insufficient to save. We need God to reveal himself not only as Creator but as Redeemer, and such a revelation comes in and through the scripture.”
—John Calvin

The Native American Indians knew there was a god, just like the Philistines, Egyptians, Assyrians, Syrians, and others did. However, they only knew Him as Creator. The only way anyone knows Him as Redeemer is through His Son. The only knowledge one gets about His Son is via the word of God.
 
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The regenerated American Indian believed in a spiritual God, but had not been taught what to call him. That thought does not even enter the mind of the natural man who has not the Spirit of God dwelling within him. Some of your heckling reminds me of what Jesus had to go through. We can discuss the scriptures in a rational tone, if you can discipline yourself to do so.
65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”(John 6)

You say the knew God. Wrong my friend. If one truly knows God they also know His Son. How can they come to Him who they do not know anything about? The short answer is they can not. Romans 10:14-17 easily shows this to be true.
 
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The regenerated American Indian believed in a spiritual God, but had not been taught what to call him. That thought does not even enter the mind of the natural man who has not the Spirit of God dwelling within him. Some of your heckling reminds me of what Jesus had to go through. We can discuss the scriptures in a rational tone, if you can discipline yourself to do so.

Wait...you said you know who the converted are, then said you don't know, now say you do again. Was your saying you don't only to make it look like I lied, yet you come back right after and do it anyhow? Wow, you're one messed up fellow bro.

That is no proof of regeneration or conversion. What you are doing is claiming the natural man as converted, going against the plain teaching of 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Oh, and all of your lying reminds me of this sinister entity in Scripture. You've lied about what I believe on numerous occasions.

That and you're no Jesus nor are you being heckled for righteousness as he was, but in your humility your taking that honor on yourself? Lol! Goodness sake man...
 
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Wait...you said you know who the converted are, then said you don't know, now say you do again. Was your saying you don't only to make it look like I lied, yet you come back right after and do it anyhow? Wow, you're one messed up fellow bro.

That is no proof of regeneration or conversion. What you are doing is claiming the natural man as converted, going against the plain teaching of 1 Corinthians 2:14.

Oh, and all of your lying reminds me of this sinister entity in Scripture. You've lied about what I believe on numerous occasions.

That and you're no Jesus nor are you being heckled for righteousness as he was, but in your humility your taking that honor on yourself? Lol! Goodness sake man...
And who is the plagiarizer now my friend? See below...


And you know this how my friend? You are all over the place. First you said you could spot out those who were regenerate, then you said you could not, now you are saying you can here. And regeneration is a miracle. When someone is regenerate they believe in God. That is a miracle.
 
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65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”(John 6)

You say the knew God. Wrong my friend. If one truly knows God they also know His Son. How can they come to Him who they do not know anything about? The short answer is they can not. Romans 10:14-17 easily shows this to be true.
So God revealed the after life to them. Hmmm. And they called it the happy hunting ground in the sky.

OK.

Last time I checked there was nothing in Scripture about hunting in heaven.

Most cultures, if not all worshiped some sort of god, that does not make them converted and regenerate, it makes them idolatrous.

Just think about it, God had the Israelites destroying other nations that worshiped a god of some sort and that believed in an afterlife. So the PB has God having his people killing "the converted" in the OT? Of course.
 
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Preacher4truth is evasive in his explanations, so, I doubt he will explain. The letters PB that he refers to means Primitive Baptist which I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church.
This is you, spreading falsities. Because I didn't get a chance to tell him what PB means, I'm "evasive."

Uh... :ROFL:
 

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Preacher4truth is evasive in his explanations, so, I doubt he will explain. The letters PB that he refers to means Primitive Baptist which I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church.
I haven’t seen where he was evasive in his explanations, if your willing to listen you might learn something from him. It appears your being Primitive Callow.
 
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So God revealed the after life to them. Hmmm. And they called it the happy hunting ground in the sky.

OK.

Last time I checked there was nothing in Scripture about hunting in heaven.

Most cultures, if not all worshiped some sort of god, that does not make them converted and regenerate, it makes them idolatrous.

Just think about it, God had the Israelites destroying other nations that worshiped a god of some sort and that believed in an afterlife. So the PB has God having his people killing "the converted" in the OT? Of course.

Ahem...



Great. Muslims, who kill Christians in the name of Allah are in heaven as well my friend. The Egyptians who believed in an afterlife are there as well, even though they were into full blown idolatry.