Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning

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LPT

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The elect are judged here in time by God's chastening, and will not be judged at the last day, Those who have not the Spirit of God are none of his and are not chastened here on earth but will be judged at the last day
O than excuse me I recant my statement I made to you indeed, good day...
 
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I don't believe your attitude in this post deserves a response. but hear is one anyway. 1 Pet 3:15 - But sanctify (give honor to) he Lord God in your hearts; and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you "WITH MEEKNESS AND FEAR". verse 16 - Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
You should according to the passage put an end to your bearing false witness then, correct? I mean, it is you who is being described therein, speaking evil of not only myself, but of others as well. I'm saddened to see you do this day after day brother. Why not put an end to it?
 
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The elect are judged here in time by God's chastening, and will not be judged at the last day, Those who have not the Spirit of God are none of his and are not chastened here on earth but will be judged at the last day
Your answer above is completely irrelevant to my post. Are you having trouble staying on track, or is this your way of appearing to have answered when you have not?
 
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I am not familiar with those abbreviations. Is one Plymouth Brethren?

I do agree with the faith issue . God reckons the whole human race as having none.(no faith) Many from my experience think they have some faith to start with .But that is not a biblical teaching.
My apologies as I was not able to reply to you on time. Yes, PB is Primitive Baptist. You're correct, none of the human race possess faith until God grants them this. To teach otherwise is incorrect, to that I agree.
 
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I haven’t seen where he was evasive in his explanations, if your willing to listen you might learn something from him. It appears your being Primitive Callow.
Brother LPT, thank you for your kind words and encouragement here. It means a lot to me. God bless!
 
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I am still not sure what the issue is. Is it that they believe that it doesn't matter to evangelize since God predestines people?

Do all Primitive Baptists really believe this, or is it just some of them?
 

LPT

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I am still not sure what the issue is. Is it that they believe that it doesn't matter to evangelize since God predestines people?

Do all Primitive Baptists really believe this, or is it just some of them?
Well I know this, God is the alpha and the omega and the beginning and the end and everything in between is part of the master plan. when there’s a master plan the plan has already been planned out.
 
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Well I know this, God is the alpha and the omega and the beginning and the end and everything in between is part of the master plan. when there’s a master plan the plan has already been planned out.
Where does the Bible teach that God predestined everything? David inquired of the Lord as to whether the city would deliver him over to those who were out to get him. Since the answer was yes, so he left, and they didn't do it. It doesn't sound like every detail is forordained. And God had knowledge of events that could have taken place but did not.
 
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I am still not sure what the issue is. Is it that they believe that it doesn't matter to evangelize since God predestines people?

Do all Primitive Baptists really believe this, or is it just some of them?
With the way preacher4truth explains things about the Primitive Baptist, you will never understand what we believe. I don't think he understands himself. We believe that the scriptures teach that God choose an elect people, of a certain amount,(Eph 1) because by his foreknowledge he saw that all mankind was filthy and none would seek him and that their were none that did good, no, not one (Ps 53:2-3) Because they were totally depraved, he had his Son die on the cross as a sacrifice for their sins to clean them up and make them holy and without blame before him and Jesus said that he would lose none of them, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39). As the elect are born into this world, they are born with the sinful nature of Adam until God regenerates them and gives them his Holy Spirit. The inspired scriptures are written to God's regenerated children as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives here on earth. There is a deliverance (salvation) here in time in coming unto a knowledge of the gospel. Understanding the gospel is not the cause of a person getting eternal life. Understanding the gospel is a product of being born again. Ask me anything that you have a question on and I will try to answer it. You will only get an evasive answer from Preacher4truth and not at all what we believe because he does not know himself. All of God's elect were saved eternally by Jesus's death on the cross.
 
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With the way preacher4truth explains things about the Primitive Baptist, you will never understand what we believe. I don't think he understands himself. We believe that the scriptures teach that God choose an elect people, of a certain amount,(Eph 1) because by his foreknowledge he saw that all mankind was filthy and none would seek him and that their were none that did good, no, not one (Ps 53:2-3) Because they were totally depraved, he had his Son die on the cross as a sacrifice for their sins to clean them up and make them holy and without blame before him and Jesus said that he would lose none of them, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39). As the elect are born into this world, they are born with the sinful nature of Adam until God regenerates them and gives them his Holy Spirit. The inspired scriptures are written to God's regenerated children as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives here on earth. There is a deliverance (salvation) here in time in coming unto a knowledge of the gospel. Understanding the gospel is not the cause of a person getting eternal life. Understanding the gospel is a product of being born again. Ask me anything that you have a question on and I will try to answer it. You will only get an evasive answer from Preacher4truth and not at all what we believe because he does not know himself. All of God's elect were saved eternally by Jesus's death on the cross.
So, here is what I glean from your many postings...

1) You advocate free grace theology, where God's saved people can live like the devil and will be welcomed into His presence with open arms

2) You are advocating eternal vital union(eternal justification) where all of God's people were justified from creation

3) You are advocating anti-means regeneration, where God regenerates His people even if they never hear the gospel

4) You are advocating the gospel is not an instrument God uses to save His people, but a confirmation of their already being saved

Please correct me if I am wrong my friend. I do not want to misrepresent you in any way, shape, form or fashion.
 
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With the way preacher4truth explains things about the Primitive Baptist, you will never understand what we believe. I don't think he understands himself. We believe that the scriptures teach that God choose an elect people, of a certain amount,(Eph 1) because by his foreknowledge he saw that all mankind was filthy and none would seek him and that their were none that did good, no, not one (Ps 53:2-3) Because they were totally depraved, he had his Son die on the cross as a sacrifice for their sins to clean them up and make them holy and without blame before him and Jesus said that he would lose none of them, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39). As the elect are born into this world, they are born with the sinful nature of Adam until God regenerates them and gives them his Holy Spirit. The inspired scriptures are written to God's regenerated children as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives here on earth. There is a deliverance (salvation) here in time in coming unto a knowledge of the gospel. Understanding the gospel is not the cause of a person getting eternal life. Understanding the gospel is a product of being born again. Ask me anything that you have a question on and I will try to answer it. You will only get an evasive answer from Preacher4truth and not at all what we believe because he does not know himself. All of God's elect were saved eternally by Jesus's death on the cross.
My friend, you still have not answered this, my question to you. Would you be so kind to answer it, please?

So, you are advocating God's elect can live like hellions for YEARS, even after being saved? Really? Please answer this. Thank you my friend.
 
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With the way preacher4truth explains things about the Primitive Baptist, you will never understand what we believe. I don't think he understands himself. We believe that the scriptures teach that God choose an elect people, of a certain amount,(Eph 1) because by his foreknowledge he saw that all mankind was filthy and none would seek him and that their were none that did good, no, not one (Ps 53:2-3) Because they were totally depraved, he had his Son die on the cross as a sacrifice for their sins to clean them up and make them holy and without blame before him and Jesus said that he would lose none of them, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6:39). As the elect are born into this world, they are born with the sinful nature of Adam until God regenerates them and gives them his Holy Spirit. The inspired scriptures are written to God's regenerated children as instructions as to how God wants them to live their lives here on earth. There is a deliverance (salvation) here in time in coming unto a knowledge of the gospel. Understanding the gospel is not the cause of a person getting eternal life. Understanding the gospel is a product of being born again. Ask me anything that you have a question on and I will try to answer it. You will only get an evasive answer from Preacher4truth and not at all what we believe because he does not know himself. All of God's elect were saved eternally by Jesus's death on the cross.
I've explained the beliefs of the Primitive Baptists accurately and concisely. The fact that the PB's preach a false Gospel is easy to see.

If anyone here is having trouble understanding (presidente?) then I'd suggest reading the OP and reading posts #149 & #150 for a better understanding, they are not difficult reads and nothing in them is misrepresentative. Please understand I'm not going to stop to re-explain this each time a person comes into the thread as the information is already there.

Some have jumped into this thread in the end and thought it was about another subject since there was an attempt to derail it into sinless perfection. I ask kindly that any and all get up to speed and investigate it, others and myself have provided ample information and argumentation against the false gospel of PB's.

My apologies on behalf of ForestGreenCook for his above bearing false witness in the midst of this discussion yet again. Unfortunately he has done this throughout this thread and several can attest to this behavior.

A part of the PB false gospel you must understand is, that according to this sect when you believed the gospel you were not granted eternal life but only some temporary circumstances deliverance in this world. ForestGreenCook has taught many of their beliefs here, then has denied what he taught only to teach it again in the same thread. It is quite a deceitful teaching and filled with dishonesty, contradictions and inconsistencies. There are many false teachings that FGC has shared on here if you care to read them and see them.

Keep in mind that no sect wants their full teachings exposed and at the same time true Gospel preaching has nothing to hide; note Acts 20:27.
 
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I am still not sure what the issue is. Is it that they believe that it doesn't matter to evangelize since God predestines people?

Do all Primitive Baptists really believe this, or is it just some of them?
Anti-evangelism is what sprung this sect into being so it is the teaching of all of them. This started at a split and now we have PB's and Missionary Baptist churches. Of course there could be a group somewhere among them that teach against this. According to the PB false gospel people are already converted worldwide and they don't need to hear or believe the gospel, nor have faith in Christ, nor even have the faith at all to enter eternal life. If they believe in any afterlife it's because they're "already converted."

Please read the OP and posts #149-#150 if you have not already. I dislike having to say this yet it needs to be said, and others can attest to this, FGC has been bearing false witness throughout this thread and has been called on this by others and myself.
 
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You should according to the passage put an end to your bearing false witness then, correct? I mean, it is you who is being described therein, speaking evil of not only myself, but of others as well. I'm saddened to see you do this day after day brother. Why not put an end to it?
I just said the same thing to you and you turned it around just the opposite. I must say that you are strong willed.
 
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I've explained the beliefs of the Primitive Baptists accurately and concisely. The fact that the PB's preach a false Gospel is easy to see.

If anyone here is having trouble understanding (presidente?) then I'd suggest reading the OP and reading posts #149 & #150 for a better understanding, they are not difficult reads and nothing in them is misrepresentative. Please understand I'm not going to stop to re-explain this each time a person comes into the thread as the information is already there.

Some have jumped into this thread in the end and thought it was about another subject since there was an attempt to derail it into sinless perfection. I ask kindly that any and all get up to speed and investigate it, others and myself have provided ample information and argumentation against the false gospel of PB's.

My apologies on behalf of ForestGreenCook for his above bearing false witness in the midst of this discussion yet again. Unfortunately he has done this throughout this thread and several can attest to this behavior.

A part of the PB false gospel you must understand is, that according to this sect when you believed the gospel you were not granted eternal life but only some temporary circumstances deliverance in this world. ForestGreenCook has taught many of their beliefs here, then has denied what he taught only to teach it again in the same thread. It is quite a deceitful teaching and filled with dishonesty, contradictions and inconsistencies. There are many false teachings that FGC has shared on here if you care to read them and see them.

Keep in mind that no sect wants their full teachings exposed and at the same time true Gospel preaching has nothing to hide; note Acts 20:27.
 
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Preacher4truth is evasive in his explanations, so, I doubt he will explain. The letters PB that he refers to means Primitive Baptist which I am a member of the Primitive Baptist Church.
He has not been evasive at all my friend. He has debunked your anti-means heresy thoroughly.
 
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I haven’t seen where he was evasive in his explanations, if your willing to listen you might learn something from him. It appears your being Primitive Callow.
My friend, I retracted my ‘dislike’ as I thought you were saying preacher4truth was being Primitive callow. My apology my friend.
 
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You have a very deceitful way of turning your assertions around the opposite direction of what the truth is. If you think Acts 20:27 describes you, you are very prideful and also very wrong. I did not join myself to the Primitive baptist until after the truth was revealed to me, as I have told you before. Unlike you who sat under instructors teaching you a false doctrine and giving you false documentation to preach said false doctrine. I read where Paul sat under the top instructor of the old law, but when he was converted, he did not go immediately to the other Apostles, or some preaching school, but went off to himself and was taught by the revelation of the Holy Ghost. You and I can discuss the scriptures in a civil tone or not. Your choice.