Harry Potter, C.S. Lewis and Cinderella

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It was from the mind of a women who wrote the book. The bible is from men who were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what was written. Where did the inspiration come from to write harrys potter. answer, satan

Good nite and keep searching ask God and He will lead.
Good nite and keep searching this thread. God will lead.
 
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I forgot to tell you why this Volder guy was laughing. Because he was putting a couple million in the bank for playing the part and deceiving you. So in reality, he is laughing at you cause you paid him. Now its good nite and may God lead you.
 
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Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of the occult and comparative world religions will recognize Harry Potter not as a children's story at all, but a tour de force of practical initiation into the Magickal worldview along with preparation for a course in training in the practice of witchcraft and sorcery.

Only a 'Muggle' would see it as anything else. You might see it as just another children's book. Your children, however, will not be so dense.

Also, Chronicles of Narnia is the same sort of initiation into magickal thinking and is as open to interpretation as anything could be. It might be a parable of Christ, and then again it might be simply the age old pagan myth retold in modern form of the Lion Sun of summer in Leo having to die by sacrifice at the hand of the witch and Lady of Winter, only to be reborn in the fauning of spring. The Chronicles of Narnia may be equally enjoyed by any pagan as it is enjoyed by any unwitting 'Christian'.
 
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I forgot to tell you why this Volder guy was laughing. Because he was putting a couple million in the bank for playing the part and deceiving you. So in reality, he is laughing at you cause you paid him. Now its good nite and may God lead you.
I have no need for a magick wand, Kerry. I already have one.

καὶ ὁ νικῶν καὶ ὁ τηρῶν ἄχρι τέλους τὰ ἔργα μου δώσω αὐτῷ ἐξουσίαν ἐπὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν καὶ ποιμανεῖ αὐτοὺς ἐν ῥάβδῳ σιδηρᾷ ὡς τὰ σκεύη τὰ κεραμικὰ συντρίβεται ὡς κἀγώ εἴληφα παρά τοῦ πατρός μου καὶ δώσω αὐτῷ τὸν ἀστέρα τὸν πρωϊνόν ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις
 
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The question arises as to why the world has consumed these stories with such zeal. Has there ever been a phenomenon quite like Harry Potter? I would say that the average nominal Christian today would honestly rather read Chronicles of Narnia than read the Bible. Why? Because they have received that very little portion and flaky, shallow dogma which they have gotten from their pastors at their local sheep pen. But they have never had a dawn glimmer of the everlasting Good Current of Jesus Christ. And so they pick up a Bible, read a few lines, understand neither text nor context, yawn and put it back on the shelf where it sits year after year. And then, since nature hates a void, the seed sown in them is quickly eaten by the birds of heaven and they forget any trace of discipleship except a flimsy outer form they put on from time to time. The rest of the time is filled with worlds and stories that appeal to their imagination as the Bible does not, because, in truth, they have no imagination, which is the will to dream a dream bigger than themselves and the present Aeon. So they are enchanted on earth with Harry Potters, Wardrobes and bippity boppity boos. And here is why:

Διαμαρτύρομαι οὖν ἐγὼ ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ μέλλοντος κρίνειν ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς κατὰ τὴν ἐπιφάνειαν αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν αὐτοῦ· κήρυξον τὸν λόγον ἐπίστηθι εὐκαίρως ἀκαίρως ἔλεγξον ἐπιτίμησον παρακάλεσον ἐν πάσῃ μακροθυμίᾳ καὶ διδαχῇ ἔσται γὰρ καιρὸς ὅτε τῆς ὑγιαινούσης διδασκαλίας οὐκ ἀνέξονται ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὰς ἐπιθυμίας τὰς ἰδίας ἑαυτοῖς ἐπισωρεύσουσιν διδασκάλους κνηθόμενοι τὴν ἀκοήν καὶ ἀπὸ μὲν τῆς ἀληθείας τὴν ἀκοὴν ἀποστρέψουσιν ἐπὶ δὲ τοὺς μύθους ἐκτραπήσονται σὺ δὲ νῆφε ἐν πᾶσιν κακοπάθησον ἔργον ποίησον εὐαγγελιστοῦ τὴν διακονίαν σου πληροφόρησον

It's all Greek to them, and so it remains.
 
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Anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of the occult and comparative world religions will recognize Harry Potter not as a children's story at all, but a tour de force of practical initiation into the Magickal worldview along with preparation for a course in training in the practice of witchcraft and sorcery.

Only a 'Muggle' would see it as anything else. You might see it as just another children's book. Your children, however, will not be so dense.

Also, Chronicles of Narnia is the same sort of initiation into magickal thinking and is as open to interpretation as anything could be. It might be a parable of Christ, and then again it might be simply the age old pagan myth retold in modern form of the Lion Sun of summer in Leo having to die by sacrifice at the hand of the witch and Lady of Winter, only to be reborn in the fauning of spring. The Chronicles of Narnia may be equally enjoyed by any pagan as it is enjoyed by any unwitting 'Christian'.
Your logic is ridiculous. A non-Christian enjoys it so it must be evil for Christians. No, there are non-Christians who enjoy the Bible, but they don't believe it's God's Word. I don't think anyone here would say the Bible is bad for Christians because of this. As for the pagan references, Lewis, along with Tolkien, believed that mythology pointed to the one Truth myth - Christ, the God/man dying to save humanity from sin and rising to new life. I think some people here lack discernment, critical thinking skills and an understanding of Freedom in Christ. If you've been convicted by the Holy Spirit that fantasy is not good, don't read it/watch it. But not everyone has been convicted of such things.
 
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Your logic is ridiculous. A non-Christian enjoys it so it must be evil for Christians. No, there are non-Christians who enjoy the Bible, but they don't believe it's God's Word. I don't think anyone here would say the Bible is bad for Christians because of this. As for the pagan references, Lewis, along with Tolkien, believed that mythology pointed to the one Truth myth - Christ, the God/man dying to save humanity from sin and rising to new life. I think some people here lack discernment, critical thinking skills and an understanding of Freedom in Christ. If you've been convicted by the Holy Spirit that fantasy is not good, don't read it/watch it. But not everyone has been convicted of such things.
'The Truth myth'. Well, you definintely have the latest modern/postmodern acedemic pseudo-theological, pseudo-eclectic jargon down. Timothy Freke would be proud of you. He believes it to be the Truth Myth as well. You are learning the half language of Ashdod rapidly. Give it a few more years and you'll be talking about the 'fictional episodal saga narratives'.

Cambridge would be proud of you. Oxford would smile with glee.

However, Paul doesn't happen to like the word 'Myth' in the passage I just quoted, and prophecies of that very thing being what the apostates would hearken to from their heaps of teachers they gather to themselves in the latter days.

The 'Truth Myth'. Clever. You should send that off to Elaine Pagels. She would love that. I think the Theosophists of the 19th century used to call it the 'Perennial Philosophy'.
 
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If Harry Potter is bad, why isn't "The Chronicles of Narnia"? Or even Cinderella. In Narnia, they have magic and in Fairy Tales they have magic. So does this mean we shouldn't read or watch anything with magic in it? I'm really confused about this because I enjoyed Harry Potter as a kid and now I'm worried that maybe other things are wrong. Please help me out with this. Thanks!
Ask yourself:

what the world believes about those things?

What does the Bible tell us regarding those things?
 
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'The Truth myth'. Well, you definintely have the latest modern/postmodern acedemic pseudo-theological, pseudo-eclectic jargon down. Timothy Freke would be proud of you. He believes it to be the Truth Myth as well. You are learning the half language of Ashdod rapidly. Give it a few more years and you'll be talking about the 'fictional episodal saga narratives'.

Cambridge would be proud of you. Oxford would smile with glee.

However, Paul doesn't happen to like the word 'Myth' in the passage I just quoted, and prophecies of that very thing being what the apostates would hearken to from their heaps of teachers they gather to themselves in the latter days.

The 'Truth Myth'. Clever. You should send that off to Elaine Pagels. She would love that. I think the Theosophists of the 19th century used to call it the 'Perennial Philosophy'.
What is your problem? When you've finished sneering at people for their supposed pagan ways, I'll explain myself. By True Myth, I mean it not only contains Truth but actually happened (I don't believe that early Genesis, for example, was just an ancient story. I believe it formed the beginning of human history). That said, all major world mythologies have similarities that, while corrupted, (some more than others), trace back to the one Truth Myth, being the Christian God revealed in Christ Jesus. Even 'pagan's' like Joseph Campbell of The Hero with a Thousand Faces fame, recognised that much, he just didn't attribute it to Christian beliefs.
 
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What is your problem? When you've finished sneering at people for their supposed pagan ways, I'll explain myself. By True Myth, I mean it not only contains Truth but actually happened (I don't believe that early Genesis, for example, was just an ancient story. I believe it formed the beginning of human history). That said, all major world mythologies have similarities that, while corrupted, (some more than others), trace back to the one Truth Myth, being the Christian God revealed in Christ Jesus. Even 'pagan's' like Joseph Campbell of The Hero with a Thousand Faces fame, recognised that much, he just didn't attribute it to Christian beliefs.
How about just Truth? Keep the Truth, cut the Myth and you'll be back on track.

That way you'll be back in the Way of Truth, you won't be deceived by the Perennial Myth and you won't even have to worry about me sneering, which isn't a guarentee I can otherwise make.
 
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If Harry Potter is not bad then it must be good. And if Harry Potter is good, then being a Witch and a Wizard practicing spellcraft must also be good. If Harry Potter is good, then Chronicles of Narnia must also be good, for there is Witchcraft and Wizardry in them as well. Therefore, practicing Witchcraft and Wizardry must be good. And if Chronicles of Narnia is good, then Myths and Fables must also be good, because Chronicles of Narnia is both Myth and Fable.

Therefore, Witchcraft, Wizardry, Myth and Fable are all good.

Right?
Sorry to say but your reasoning is at fault; that something is not bad does not imply that it is good. Remember that Yeshua says that none are good save God.
 
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How about just Truth? Keep the Truth, cut the Myth and you'll be back on track.

That way you'll be back in the Way of Truth, you won't be deceived by the Perennial Myth and you won't even have to worry about me sneering, which isn't a guarantee I can otherwise make.
You're intolerable. I'm leaving this silly thread.
 
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Apostle Peter doesn't seem to have been fond of proclaiming the power and coming of the Lord Jesus according to the sophistry of the Perennial Myth either. For he writes as follows:

Οὐ γὰρ σεσοφισμένοις μύθοις ἐξακολουθήσαντες ἐγνωρίσαμεν ὑμῖν τὴν τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ δύναμιν καὶ παρουσίαν ἀλλ' ἐπόπται γενηθέντες τῆς ἐκείνου μεγαλειότητος

For we have not derived [these things] from sophistical myths when making known to you the Power & Parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ, but from having been eyewitnesses of His Majesty. -- 2 Pet. 1:16

Tragically, Apostle Peter would not have been a good modern doctoral candidate in Theology and Comparative Religion studies. He doesn't seem to have cared two cents for the precious Perennial Myth.

And as for Harry Potter, I can only imagine his judgmental, non-inclusive, intolerant contempt.
 
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The question arises as to why the world has consumed these stories with such zeal. Has there ever been a phenomenon quite like Harry Potter?

It's all Greek to them, and so it remains.
ἴδμεν δ' ὅσσα γένηται ἐπὶ χθονὶ πουλυβοτείρῃ ὣς φάσαν ἱεῖσαι ὄπα κάλλιμον αὐτὰρ ἐμὸν κῆρ ἤθελ' ἀκουέμεναι λῦσαί τ' ἐκέλευον ἑταίρους ὀφρύσι νευστάζω

Ecc 1:9
The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.


Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is actually a tool for learning Greek. The translation is based on Lucian's 2nd century A.D. writing.

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Ancient Greek Edition): J. K. Rowling, J.K. Rowling: 9781582348261: Amazon.com: Books


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Sorry to say but your reasoning is at fault; that something is not bad does not imply that it is good. Remember that Yeshua says that none are good save God.
Really? Is that the same God who burns Babylon to ashes for her witchcraft and sorcery?

Therefore, now hear this, you who are given over to your pleasures, who dwell carelessly, who say in your very Heart, I Am, and there no one else beside me; I shall not sit as the Widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: But these two things shall come to you in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon you in their Perfection for the multitude of your Sorceries, and for the great abundance of your Enchantments.For you have trusted in your Wickedness: you have said, No one can see me. But your Wisardry & Gnosis have perverted you, and you have said in thine heart, I Am, and there is no one else beside me. Therefore shall an evil come upon you; from where you shall not know: and a malevolence shall fall upon you that you shall not be able to ward off, and desolation shall come upon you suddenly, which you shall not know.

So stand up now with your Enchantments and with the multitude of your Sorceries, wherein you have labored from your Youth; if so mote be it that you shall be able to profit, if perhaps even you may prevail.Yet you are worn out by the multitude of your own counsels. So now let the Astrologers, the Stargazers, the monthly Prognosticators stand up [with you] and save you from these things that shall come upon you.Behold, they shall be as stubble; the Fire shall burn them; they shall not be able to deliver themselves from the Power of this Flame: for this shall be no mere coal to warm at, nor any Fire to sit before.Thus shall they be to you with whom you have laboured, even all your mechants, from your youth: they shall flee away, every one to his own quarters; there will be no one left to save you. -- Is. 47:8-15
 
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Again, we might draw a lesson on how God views Witchcraft and Wizardry from Revelation concerning Babylon, which states:

And the Great City was divided into three parts, the cities of the Gentiles fell, and then Babylon the Great came in Remembrance before God, to give her the Chalice of the Wine of the Fury of His Outrage. -- Rev. 16:19
 
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So, as we saw at the beginning of this thread and even see now again, Babylon is confused.
 
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Isn't the message of Harry Potter that with good friends and some really good witchcraft you can conquer any obsticle and become one the cool kids, even if you're a nerd?
Really good friends "help" you conquer any obstacle and be cool even if you're a nerd? That's the message of a Frosted Flakes commercial...

[video=youtube;reIGOLb6tk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reIGOLb6tk0[/video]
 
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@Praus Then we can begin to see the similarities between witches, wizards and frosted flakes.
 
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1 Cor 6:12 says, "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any." This refers to the fact that Christianity is not a religion of that consist of rules. However, a Christian must know that not all things are profitable to his or her life.The grace of God does give us liberty to live a holy life.
By not reading or watching all those things that gives you doubt, you will lose nothing but rather gain liberty.