Harry Potter, C.S. Lewis and Cinderella

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jimmydiggs

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J.K. Rowling is an Anglican and the only real witchcraft (there's very little of it) is done by evil wizards and never glamourised or glorified. There's even a class called "Defence Against the Dark Arts". In our world that would be called "Spiritual Warfare".
Quite a stretch on the spiritual warfare, don't you think? A Black Hat and a White Hat, are both still hackers.

Also, being Anglican doesn't mean much as the Anglican church is more of a social club, than it is a church. Some local priests and bishops are good, but the institution itself smells of decaying flesh.
 
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For someone who is as anti Harry Potter as you are, you sure do know a lot about the plot... and the thematic elements, almost like you read all 7 books or watched all the movies... do I smell a hypocrite?
 
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@1disciple For someone who is as anti Harry Potter as you are, you sure do know a lot about the plot... and the thematic elements, almost like you read all 7 books or watched all the movies... do I smell a hypocrite?
Just because he disapproves of something today, doesn't mean he didn't approve of it in the past. We are all forgiven sinners, remember? Often, if we disapprove of something strongly, it is because we have learned a lesson the hard way. :)

I watched the first 4 or 5 episodes, or whatever they were, thinking it was acceptable, indeed, that they were as harmless as Narnia, which in turn was as harmless as Cinderella. It was only years later when I started reading of the impact they had caused that I have changed my mind. I'm not saying its an easy decision for parents to make, but I don't think such movies are spiritually healthy for children (or adults, even).
 
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Harry potter movies and books contain some form of spells, and known spells that witches use today. sounds ridiculas I know, but true. So the side of the bad of Harry potter is of that reason. Also in the Harry potter movies contain Evil, and referrences to the dark side of evil, almost demonic. So again, the bad side of HP is of those reasons. In movies that contain such things I have mentioned, its how the Enemy creeps in our lives. he is not going to go straight in and say hey Im the devil and this movie is bad for you is he? he is going to do it cunningly, decietful, and most of all, as he does not like to be in the light, he will hide certain things, in hope to grab people's attention.

We can watch what we would call a clean and good movie, but somewere in that movie, Not in all, but in some movies will be certain refferences that relate to evil, or witchcraft, or something that even relates to the enemy himself.

As for narnia. you have to have to right discernment while watching the movie or book. as good as the movie may look, there is a few referrences that are not quite right. So when people say oh wow that movie is great, or good, not realising the full content of the movie before hand, in a sense the people are saying yeeey, Go enemy! or you agreeing with the enemy by what he is doing without seeing. Magic, fairytales, wishes, are all forms of witchcraft thats performed by white witch, warlords, or who ever cunjering the spells.

So be careful when watching movies. As Christians we have to be aware of how the enemy cunningly attacks.

So to me, watching the movies myself, I like the effects in the movies, but thats all. as the for story. I'm not liking it at all.
We just haveto have the right descernment watching movies.
 
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If Harry Potter is bad, why isn't "The Chronicles of Narnia"? Or even Cinderella. In Narnia, they have magic and in Fairy Tales they have magic. So does this mean we shouldn't read or watch anything with magic in it? I'm really confused about this because I enjoyed Harry Potter as a kid and now I'm worried that maybe other things are wrong. Please help me out with this. Thanks!
I wouldn't put Chronicles of Narnia, Lord of the rings, in the same Category - written by CS Lewis with Christian overtones. What can you do in your freedom in Christ - if you know the truth, and your not worshiping it, or trying to cast spells yourself, then your free.

Now if you have children that are not of age to understand the difference between reality and make believe, I would caution, If they are able to understand this opens up to some good honest conversations you can have with your children about who God is, what is being portrayed, etc

all things wisdom, faith, and a good conscience towards God and man
 
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And Harry Potter magic is much closer to how magic is used in real life,
Wait, you think the magic in Harry Potter is similar to witchcraft as it's practiced in real life?

You think actual witchcraft requires a wand made with a phoenix feather or unicorn hair inside it, or that you cast spells by waving such a wand around and shouting pseudo-Latin phrases?

If this is the stuff you're protecting your kids against, you're going to be really surprised when actual witchcraft comes knocking at your door, because it looks nothing like any of that.
 
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J.K. Rowling is an Anglican and the only real witchcraft (there's very little of it) is done by evil wizards and never glamourised or glorified. There's even a class called "Defence Against the Dark Arts". In our world that would be called "Spiritual Warfare".
glamour - Wiktionary

Noun
glamour (countable and uncountable; plural glamours)
Witchcraft; magic charm; a spell affecting the eye, making objects appear different from what they really are.


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I wouldn't put Chronicles of Narnia, Lord of the rings, in the same Category - written by CS Lewis with Christian overtones. What can you do in your freedom in Christ - if you know the truth, and your not worshiping it, or trying to cast spells yourself, then your free.

Now if you have children that are not of age to understand the difference between reality and make believe, I would caution, If they are able to understand this opens up to some good honest conversations you can have with your children about who God is, what is being portrayed, etc

all things wisdom, faith, and a good conscience towards God and man

Sorry LOTR was written by JRR Tolkien who also was a Christian
 
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Wait, you think the magic in Harry Potter is similar to witchcraft as it's practiced in real life?

You think actual witchcraft requires a wand made with a phoenix feather or unicorn hair inside it, or that you cast spells by waving such a wand around and shouting pseudo-Latin phrases?

If this is the stuff you're protecting your kids against, you're going to be really surprised when actual witchcraft comes knocking at your door, because it looks nothing like any of that.
Tarot cards are actual witchcraft! :mad:

English "The Nervous Witch"


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Wait, now you're citing Chick Tracts as your authority for believing that Harry Potter teaches actual witchcraft?
Jack Chick is offering specifics, not some vague "I know secrets" cry for attention: :rolleyes:

you're going to be really surprised when actual witchcraft comes knocking at your door, because it looks nothing like any of that.
 
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Jack Chick is offering specifics,
It's easy to offer specifics when you aren't concerned with honesty or accuracy.

I would not be surprised if the lies in Chick Tracts are responsible for more people failing to find Jesus than Harry Potter and Pokemon combined.
 

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Wow who would've thought a simple question would turn into such a heated debate, this is even worse than the dreaded discussion about the rapture or the trinity. So I have some things to say, now I love pokemon. I grew up with it and it is a fun thing to play when you are bored, that and Mario. Now I admit, before I met God I wanted to live in the pokemon world only because I was so depressed and hated my way of living. I would go to church sometimes and every now and then be hit with a wave of craving to be a Christian. I remember one in specific after the sermon was over I was bawling because I wanted god too, a lady at the door was handing out bibles and saw me crying she asked what was wrong I told her I have always wanted to be a Christian but God and I can never make the connection. she said oh you poor thing and gave me a bible and hug. now it was not until several months later I got saved, I knew deep inside why I could accept Christ and it was because I was not able to give up my video game addiction. but one fateful night I was and begged and pleaded God to enter my heart.

Now I also want to say that my sister Victoria studied witch craft, but the reason was not harry potter she didn't like that or anything. there were two reasons why she studied witch craft. #1 because she was an outsider, she didn't fit in with anyone and people did not like her. she didn't take shower that often and looked kind of gross, when people desert you because you are different you are very prone to search for a supernatural power.

And then the reason #2 is buffy the vampire slayer, an old t.v. show that is all about witch craft and vampires. She loves it for whatever reason but it seemed to help ease the pain of being alone and rejected and like I said you are much more prone to witch craft when you have no one.
Now look at this, she chose to not be gross and mean and chose to fix herself and now she is very beautiful and has many friends. She has given up witch craft and all it took was to be accepted. although she is a lesbian she is a much better person
 

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I got saved out of the New Age Movement. I knew lots of witches, still do. I figure it is my calling to continue to minister Christ to them, in the hopes they might one day be saved. Mind you, I don't really believe they have the power to do much!

Right after I was saved in the early 80's a movement like this came out in the church, condemning literally every secular children's book, and if you didn't hide and protect your kids from these demonic influences (including rock and roll) your children were going to hell.

I even had a friend take a sharp edge to the horn on a unicorn and scrape it off a t-shirt someone gave her daughter. I always remember the Irish Rover's Unicorn song, and how the unicorns wouldn't get on Noah's ark, so they don't exist today. But she was determined to keep her children from "evil." Did her kids grow up to be Christians, after all her hiding and protecting, including putting them in Christian schools? Nope. If you want to find evil, you will.

I am not a legalist, I love the Narnia stories. They are FILLED with scripture verses, maybe the only time many will hear those verses in non-Christian homes. The creation account of Narnia is worth the price of the whole series in the Last Battle. How Aslan just called things into existence and it follows the Biblical account, right up to a human naming the animals. And Jesus said that his house had many mansions, so who knows whether God has other universes or "multiverses"? Something to ask Christ after the Parousia.

As for Harry Potter, I let my daughter read them all. She didn't like the movies, since they weren't close enough to the originals. She could win a Harry Potter trivia contest any day of the week. So what happened to her spiritually? She never had a drink in her life. She got saved at age 19, through the ministry of a fellow figure skater. She married her first boyfriend, a Christian, and I am sure they were both pure on their wedding night. He is a doctor now, and she is a social worker. Not too shabby a life, and both following God!

So all these cries of gloom and doom are from people who:
1. Don't know what the occult is all about or maybe are afraid of it.
2. Are caught in legalism
3. Are missing the essential need for children to have imaginative outlets.

As a former teacher, I fear for these kids, who are deprived of the fun, imagination and creativity. I had a friend who did that to his children - they were not allowed to read any book except the Bible - one is an atheist, the other has no security in God, and hurts all the time about all they were not allowed to do as children. Not bad things, just normal kid things)

I fear for the church with all this rigid legalism. God has many ways of reaching our children and other people, too. There is no doubt there is evil in the world. Teach your children about the evil in humans, and the evil of true witchcraft and the occult.

But teach them about the love of God in Christ Jesus. That is what is going to draw them to God. I know it did for me. And don't make them feel different than other children, but not allowing them to be normal kids. I'm not saying do evil, letting them celebrate Hallowe'en or anything else truly occultic. But let them have fun, and use their imaginations.
 

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Acts 15
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: [SUP]29 [/SUP]that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[SUP][/SUP] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.Farewell.
 
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Acts 15
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: [SUP]29 [/SUP]that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.Farewell.
Is that how you read the book of Acts? :rolleyes:

Acts 19:19-20 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all [men]: and they counted the price of them, and found [it] fifty thousand [pieces] of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.