A lot of the lost want to know which Bible version is correct. Can you prove which one is correct? This sort of division and confusion is the number one excuse people are becoming Muslim. You can preach the Gospel, but if you can't answer basic questions, your preaching will have very little effect.
Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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occult
adjective
1: not revealed : SECRET (emphasis added)
deep subterranean occult jealousy
2: not easily apprehended or understood : ABSTRUSE, MYSTERIOUS
occult matters like nuclear physics, radiation effects and the designing of rockets
3: hidden from view : CONCEALED
occult underground passages
4: of or relating to the occult
… the occult arts—astrology, palmistry, card reading
Good! I have seen no compelling evidence that there are messages "hidden" in numbers in Scripture, despite many claims to the contrary. There is information in the numbers, but that is not the same thing.
occult
adjective
1: not revealed : SECRET (emphasis added)
deep subterranean occult jealousy
2: not easily apprehended or understood : ABSTRUSE, MYSTERIOUS
occult matters like nuclear physics, radiation effects and the designing of rockets
3: hidden from view : CONCEALED
occult underground passages
4: of or relating to the occult
… the occult arts—astrology, palmistry, card reading
Good! I have seen no compelling evidence that there are messages "hidden" in numbers in Scripture, despite many claims to the contrary. There is information in the numbers, but that is not the same thing.
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So you do not believe the Bible is of divine origin?
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness (See: 2 Timothy 3:16).
Man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY word of God (Luke 4:4).
Are you living by every word of God in your Bible? Including the numbers mentioned within it?
Paul says, "There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” (1 Corinthians 14:10).
But wouldn’t you be a numerologist if you count one verse in the Bible like Revelation 13:18?
Just as you delivered one pizza you would be a pizza deliverer (albeit not for long).
Also, wouldn’t you think there would be no pattern or meaning to these numbers if you were correct?
Then again, no offense, but you have no clue as to what you are talking about. You are simply throwing down the hammer of judgment without looking at the other side, my friend. I tell you what. Check out Brandon Peterson’s video on the number 7 here
Please watch the whole video, my friend. If by the end of the video you can say that is all random chance, be my guest. If you will not watch the video, I will be happy to post what he has shown in the video. It will take some time, but I believe it would be worth it. You wouldn’t be able to scream, “Yeah, but Moby Dick has patterns!“
I hope this helps.
Peace, love, and blessings be unto you in the Lord Jesus.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness (See: 2 Timothy 3:16).
Man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY word of God (Luke 4:4).
Are you living by every word of God in your Bible? Including the numbers mentioned within it?
Paul says, "There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” (1 Corinthians 14:10).
But wouldn’t you be a numerologist if you count one verse in the Bible like Revelation 13:18?
Just as you delivered one pizza you would be a pizza deliverer (albeit not for long).
Also, wouldn’t you think there would be no pattern or meaning to these numbers if you were correct?
Then again, no offense, but you have no clue as to what you are talking about. You are simply throwing down the hammer of judgment without looking at the other side, my friend. I tell you what. Check out Brandon Peterson’s video on the number 7 here
Please watch the whole video, my friend. If by the end of the video you can say that is all random chance, be my guest. If you will not watch the video, I will be happy to post what he has shown in the video. It will take some time, but I believe it would be worth it. You wouldn’t be able to scream, “Yeah, but Moby Dick has patterns!“
I hope this helps.
Peace, love, and blessings be unto you in the Lord Jesus.
The best example is to follow what we see in Scripture. If you can give an example where a prophet or prophecy tells us of such a thing, that would be different. The point here is that we have enough prophecy or future events already mentioned to us plainly in Scripture. Revelation can be difficult to decipher and so to have that hidden in some numerical code would be more complex and odd. Granted, there are numbers involved in Daniel’s 70th week, but they are not hidden.
The dime store prophet of the week who makes a prophecy and it doesn’t come to pass would then be a false prophet. So trying to foretell future prophecy is risky business unless it is plainly spelled out in the Bible. I believe God’s purpose for our lives is to glorify His grace and to live a holy life. That is more than enough to keep us busy than focus on what may come. Being faithful to the Lord Jesus is a big enough task as it is. I made a chronology for Revelation and the Olivet Discourse, but I honestly cannot say that my chronology will play out like that exactly. I could be wrong. The more important thing is to live holy unto the Lord and love others. God will get the glory by His Word coming true when it is the right timing.
They sat in Mose’s seat and they were to obey only what was in the Scriptures that they told them to do. This was not to obey them in things outside of God’s Word. If you were to read the last part of the verse, Jesus says do not do after their works.
Matthew 23:3
“All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. “
This also does not equate with an apostate church like Rome today. Nowhere does the Scriptures describe Peter like a pope in any way.
There was no bowing statues or fish hats, or worship of Mary, or praying to the dead saints, etcetera. That all came later and is from an apostate church and is no way affiliated with the true church of God.
This is talking about nations and not an apostate church.
No, the Catholic Church does not obey God’s Word and so there is nothing for you to submit to them for. They only thing they seem to get right is the Trinity.
On Hebrews 13:17, please read this article here:
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/mywritings/obedience.html
In addition, we are living in the last days where the church has fallen away. Many are not believing everything as taught in the Bible and neither are they seeking to fully obey the Word, either. Most believe you can sin and still be saved. Truly we are in the Laodician age.
Jesus told his disciples to get into a boat. That does not mean we are to do that. The point here is we have to be able to see if there is any church out there worthy to be obeyed. I have not find any. Nowhere does God’s Word tells us to submit to apostate churches that will lead you into idolatry, and praying to dead people.
They say she is a co-redeemer. I even remember a Catholic telling me that a person needs to pray to Mary for salvation. Here is one article that clearly says Mary is needed for salvation.
https://themarianroom.com/the-blessed-virgin-mary-necessary-for-salvation/
Uh, no. I don’t think the Pharisees were worse than the Catholic Church. God actually calls them beloved for the Father’s sake in Romans. But the Catholic Church is condemned in Revelation 17-18. You cannot go to Rome or to an RCC without making your stomach ill andor without wanting to vomit because of all the idolatry that is going on. Some Catholic Churches even bring out skulls for you to worship. It’s pagan. It’s darkness. What fellowship does light have with darkness?
No. The Word of God says no such thing. It gave the keys to Peter and Peter is no more in line to be a pope than the Easter bunny. The RCC has a false history that is deceptive and a lie. Don’t believe what they say. Why? Look at their works. You will know false prophets by their evil fruits. Don’t submit to do any Apostate church. The Jews were not a church. You cannot conflate the Jews as being like an apostate church. The only reason you may want to submit to the RCC is if you do not see anything wrong with the evil they do on some level.
The dime store prophet of the week who makes a prophecy and it doesn’t come to pass would then be a false prophet. So trying to foretell future prophecy is risky business unless it is plainly spelled out in the Bible. I believe God’s purpose for our lives is to glorify His grace and to live a holy life. That is more than enough to keep us busy than focus on what may come. Being faithful to the Lord Jesus is a big enough task as it is. I made a chronology for Revelation and the Olivet Discourse, but I honestly cannot say that my chronology will play out like that exactly. I could be wrong. The more important thing is to live holy unto the Lord and love others. God will get the glory by His Word coming true when it is the right timing.
They sat in Mose’s seat and they were to obey only what was in the Scriptures that they told them to do. This was not to obey them in things outside of God’s Word. If you were to read the last part of the verse, Jesus says do not do after their works.
Matthew 23:3
“All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. “
This also does not equate with an apostate church like Rome today. Nowhere does the Scriptures describe Peter like a pope in any way.
There was no bowing statues or fish hats, or worship of Mary, or praying to the dead saints, etcetera. That all came later and is from an apostate church and is no way affiliated with the true church of God.
This is talking about nations and not an apostate church.
No, the Catholic Church does not obey God’s Word and so there is nothing for you to submit to them for. They only thing they seem to get right is the Trinity.
On Hebrews 13:17, please read this article here:
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/mywritings/obedience.html
In addition, we are living in the last days where the church has fallen away. Many are not believing everything as taught in the Bible and neither are they seeking to fully obey the Word, either. Most believe you can sin and still be saved. Truly we are in the Laodician age.
Jesus told his disciples to get into a boat. That does not mean we are to do that. The point here is we have to be able to see if there is any church out there worthy to be obeyed. I have not find any. Nowhere does God’s Word tells us to submit to apostate churches that will lead you into idolatry, and praying to dead people.
They say she is a co-redeemer. I even remember a Catholic telling me that a person needs to pray to Mary for salvation. Here is one article that clearly says Mary is needed for salvation.
https://themarianroom.com/the-blessed-virgin-mary-necessary-for-salvation/
Uh, no. I don’t think the Pharisees were worse than the Catholic Church. God actually calls them beloved for the Father’s sake in Romans. But the Catholic Church is condemned in Revelation 17-18. You cannot go to Rome or to an RCC without making your stomach ill andor without wanting to vomit because of all the idolatry that is going on. Some Catholic Churches even bring out skulls for you to worship. It’s pagan. It’s darkness. What fellowship does light have with darkness?
No. The Word of God says no such thing. It gave the keys to Peter and Peter is no more in line to be a pope than the Easter bunny. The RCC has a false history that is deceptive and a lie. Don’t believe what they say. Why? Look at their works. You will know false prophets by their evil fruits. Don’t submit to do any Apostate church. The Jews were not a church. You cannot conflate the Jews as being like an apostate church. The only reason you may want to submit to the RCC is if you do not see anything wrong with the evil they do on some level.
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It’s not a dumb question if it relates to Scripture and can draw you closer to the Savior.
Actually, the text tells you the reader to count the number. So if you are not counting the number as instructed, you are disobeying God’s Word. So by counting the number, you would be a numerologist.
Revelation 13:18
”Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. “
Actually, the text tells you the reader to count the number. So if you are not counting the number as instructed, you are disobeying God’s Word. So by counting the number, you would be a numerologist.
Revelation 13:18
”Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. “
There is no doubt that America is blessed unlike other nations because it uplifted the good book to others. Also, the King James Bible went out to the ends of the Earth and caused the Great Awakening. It is the most printed book in the world. It was the Bible in the English speaking world for many centuries involving Canada, the Caribbean, UK, and America. English is spoken all over the world. If you were to drop the little yellow guy in Google Earth, it will not be long before you find English on signs in other countries. Russian pilots are required to know English. English is the world language. This makes a lot of sense because God preserved His words first in one nation (Hebrew), and then in the world language of Greek with the New Testament. So God is being consistent in the way He operates. The Scriptures would be preserved perfectly in one book or one set of Scriptures on our planet to hold men accountable. If this not the case, then men can say that there is no authoritative Word of God that needs to be obeyed. One can be their own authority along with obeying only those parts of the Bible they prefer. I say this because Modern Bibles DO teach false doctrines and they are popular in this Laodician age. Nobody wants to be under the true authority of God’s Word.
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Thanks for the tip, but I don’t write to please everyone. There are great articles that are exceptionally long that I have went through before. I read them because they were informative. So a person will read them if they are interested. If they are not interested, then I can imagine they are not going to read. That’s how I see it. My life is to please the Lord Jesus Christ and to glorify Him and His Word. That may sometimes be a short writing or a long one.
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There is a video by Brandon Peterson on Isaiah 34:16. He talks about the book of the LORD and connects the verses in that chapter with the verses in Revelation. The context is also to the Gentile nations. You can check out that YouTube video here.
So Isaiah 34:16 is a prophecy that says that there will be a book of the Lord in the end times. Seeing we are drawing ever closer to the end of days, we should in theory have the book of the LORD now in preparation for those last days. The problem today is that most folks think they have a phantom Bible that exists either only in their own mind or the minds of their preferred scholars. Then… their Bible will shape shift again a few years and be different yet again.
So Isaiah 34:16 is a prophecy that says that there will be a book of the Lord in the end times. Seeing we are drawing ever closer to the end of days, we should in theory have the book of the LORD now in preparation for those last days. The problem today is that most folks think they have a phantom Bible that exists either only in their own mind or the minds of their preferred scholars. Then… their Bible will shape shift again a few years and be different yet again.