Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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I can’t believe this thread is 55 pages long and still going. Hidden messages in the Bible? Well, there are examples to follow, types and situations that mirror what’s going on in the world today, prophesies fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled, symbolic poetry, and parables that only those with “eyes to see” can understand—just to name a few things that puzzle people in their quest for knowledge and wisdom from the Word. In fact, our very lives are “hidden with Christ in God” (Colossians 3:3). So shouldn’t worldly thinking be put aside and focus kept on what really matters? We are heirs of grace, and yet we want to quibble, nitpick, and insult one another’s intelligence? Really?
Titus 3:9-11
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
Titus 3:9-11
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned.
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It means what it says in 1 Thessalonians 5:22. The translators of the KJB knew the Greek more than you, my friend.
We have other verses that loosely convey a similar concept.
2 Corinthians 8:21
“Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.”
1 Corinthians 10:32
“Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”
We have other verses that loosely convey a similar concept.
2 Corinthians 8:21
“Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.”
1 Corinthians 10:32
“Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:”
So the Apostles were wrong?
Acts 5:25-29 (KJV)
[25] Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
[26] Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
[27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[28] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
[29] ¶ Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:25-29 (KJV)
[25] Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.
[26] Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
[27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[28] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
[29] ¶ Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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You didn't even read my comment...
Romans 13:1 commands you to obey all authority because all authority is ultimately from God. Obviously, it's within the context of God's authority, so if human government tells us to do something ungodly, that's where we disobey them, otherwise we continue to obey. What don't you understand about Romans 13:1 and other similar verses? Do you not obey the laws of your country?
Romans 13:1 commands you to obey all authority because all authority is ultimately from God. Obviously, it's within the context of God's authority, so if human government tells us to do something ungodly, that's where we disobey them, otherwise we continue to obey. What don't you understand about Romans 13:1 and other similar verses? Do you not obey the laws of your country?
English - I'm only talking about English:
In the KJV, in English, there are still at least 2 different ways to understand the word "appearance."
That's just English.
This isn't about translation, this is about English.
The word "appearance", in English, can mean different things.
English words, in English, often have a variety of meanings.
The English word "appearance", in the prepositional phrase "appearance of", can mean:
1.) for a thing to: look LIKE a thing, whether it is that thing or not
2.) for a thing to: appear, show itself, or arrive
- If we apply definition #1 to 1Th.5:22, we end up in all kinds of subjective and relativistic impossibilities, circular arguments, and contradictory doctrines.
- If we apply definition #2 to 1Th.5:22, we end up with a very clear and simple understanding, which correlates well with the rest of scripture.
I'm only using English.
God Bless.
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In the KJV, in English, there are still at least 2 different ways to understand the word "appearance."
That's just English.
This isn't about translation, this is about English.
The word "appearance", in English, can mean different things.
English words, in English, often have a variety of meanings.
The English word "appearance", in the prepositional phrase "appearance of", can mean:
1.) for a thing to: look LIKE a thing, whether it is that thing or not
2.) for a thing to: appear, show itself, or arrive
- If we apply definition #1 to 1Th.5:22, we end up in all kinds of subjective and relativistic impossibilities, circular arguments, and contradictory doctrines.
- If we apply definition #2 to 1Th.5:22, we end up with a very clear and simple understanding, which correlates well with the rest of scripture.
I'm only using English.
God Bless.
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The verses you quoted are great verses, but they actually do NOT mean the same thing as the particular way you were interpreting 1 Thessalonians 5:22.
2 Cor 8:21 isn't even remotely similar... it's just talking about being honest before men.
1 Cor.10:32 actually does have some similarity, but it's also constrained by a very particular context.
- It's a passage explaining that we should limit our own liberty at times in order not to offend people with cultural differences, when those culture differences are MORALLY NEUTRAL.
- It's a particular lesson, with a very particular context.
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Besides, you already let the cat out the bag here by saying,
“You shouldn't rely solely on one translation. I personally like and use the kjv, but recognize there are some flaws in it. I also go back to the original language text for clarity such as found in the interlinear.”
You just quoted something from someone else... I never made that statement.
Please be more careful when quoting me.
Thanks.
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“You shouldn't rely solely on one translation. I personally like and use the kjv, but recognize there are some flaws in it. I also go back to the original language text for clarity such as found in the interlinear.”
You just quoted something from someone else... I never made that statement.
Please be more careful when quoting me.
Thanks.
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I mention all kinds of things.
You mentioned Greek just now.
What I "mentioned" before is irrelevant to whatever I am specifically showing you as a point to discuss right now.
I am currently discussing English with you, and I've made it very clear I'm discussing English with you.
Please don't say you want to debate and defend English, and then have a problem when I use English.
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You mentioned Greek just now.
What I "mentioned" before is irrelevant to whatever I am specifically showing you as a point to discuss right now.
I am currently discussing English with you, and I've made it very clear I'm discussing English with you.
Please don't say you want to debate and defend English, and then have a problem when I use English.
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Neither of those verses mean the same thing as 1Th.5:22, in the particular way you interpret 1Th.5:22.
I already said everything I need to say about those verses.
The way you interpret the word "appearance" in 1Th.5:22 has implications and ramifications that are purely subjective and lead all the way to philosophical relativism.
This seems to be going nowhere... probably time to call it a night.
Take care, and have a great evening.
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I already said everything I need to say about those verses.
The way you interpret the word "appearance" in 1Th.5:22 has implications and ramifications that are purely subjective and lead all the way to philosophical relativism.
This seems to be going nowhere... probably time to call it a night.
Take care, and have a great evening.
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Asking questions and speaking in general terms and or with the goal of correction towards God’s Word is not the same as personal attacks or slander against my character with no intent to correct. The statements I pointed out were insulting only and not with a challenge to obey or believe God’s Word. Therein lies the difference.