Has the law been put aside? If so, when?

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JaumeJ

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Being a Jew? Jew if spelled in Hebrew comes out Yah, short for Yahuda and also short for Yahweh.

Yahweh is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

Yahuda or Judah is someone who praise Yah, God……… Why would anyone need to "work so hard" to praqise our Father? Of course with the gift of faith we all do works of God.

If you have not learned Paul's teaching or discourse on what a true Jew is, it is advisable not to disparage the term. Now I speak of true Jews and not that synagogue of Satan. Learn the difference for all who truly come to Jesus bcome true Jews whether they are immediately aware of it or not.
 

JaumeJ

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Paul taught 3 gospels in Acts,
(1) the Kingdom Gospel, which Christ taught. Christ's Gospel was the Gospel of the all -Israel, earthly, Kingdom of Heaven. Gentiles won't be allowed in. Actually, only born again Jews will be allowed in (Jn 3:3). Also, flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom (1Cor 15:50), so "born again" MUST mean that they are resurrected. At least, that's what the scripture says. Only Christ has been born again.
(2) the Gospel of the Grace of God, which meant that Gentiles could partake of Israel's blessing, without having to keep the Law
(3) and, near the end, the Gospel of Salvation, as in 1Cor 15:1-4
And a new one after Acts.

God has not given you the eyes of understanding to SEE, BELIEVE, and CLAIM the Hope of your Calling.
Ephesians 1:17-18 - Paul's Prayer
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
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The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The reason He hasn't given you the eyes is because you're carrying around all that useless Jewish baggage, from other dispensations, that well NEVER apply to you, no matter how much a person distorts the scriptures to make it SOUND right. Many are called, but few are chosen. God has one, and only one, dispensation for us Gentiles today, the one found ONLY in Paul's post-Acts epistles. Paul calls it the Dispensation of the mystery (secret), because it was hid in God since the world began. Nothing that is TO us or ABOUT us Gentiles today can be found in any Bible book except for Paul's last 7.

Israel are an earthly people. They will reside on the earth and the New Jerusalem, which will be attached to the earth. We Gentiles, today, are a Heavenly people, who will reside above the starry Heavens, where God lives. This is spelled our here:
Col 3:1-4
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
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Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.


Vs 2 basically tells us to ignore Things On the Earth, or, everything that is Israel - same thing.

The only thing I can see accomplished by this Hebrew Roots movement is that people are robbed of their Heavenly Calling. Why would God give you Heaven when you believe in the doctrine of another Group of people, Israel, in a totally different dispensation, which have NEVER had a Hope of Heaven. Search and SEE!

Paul's last 7 epistles don't even contain the words "Abraham", "Moses", or the phrase "it is written". There not a mention in those books of any Jew living now. Everything in those books is addressed to Gentiles. This is because Israel hasn't existed since Acts 28:28, 64AD, when the Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from them and given to the Gentiles. Israel will be back in 2 days, or 2000 years, according to Hosea 6:2, about 2064.
Paul declares c learly there is but one Gospel, that of Jesus Christ. Do not make it more than one Gospel….. I say this according to Paul, but mostly because there is only One Savior an One Word.
 

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Christ is in the heart and mouth. (Rom.10:6-8) Which enables the Word; the Law to be in the heart, mind and mouth. This is the Faith in which Paul preached and i is in the posts that I share. It is no longer a matter of obeying the Law, the Word. It is of Faith. Through Christ we are changed through His Word; His Law in our hearts, minds, and mouths. We that have been baptized into Christ has put on Christ. We are dead nevertheless we live yet not us; Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of the Son of God. We are a New Creature. Behold all things are new and of GOD. As the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD. It is HE that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. Not I, but Christ.
Romans 10:5 - For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them." 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?' (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, 'Who will descend into the abyss?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."

You just cannot seem to separate the law from salvation through faith and instead teach "grace plus law, faith plus works." :(
 

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Paul declares c learly there is but one Gospel, that of Jesus Christ. Do not make it more than one Gospel….. I say this according to Paul, but mostly because there is only One Savior an One Word.
There is only one gospel in this dispensation and in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul clearly states: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

In Ephesians 3:1-9, Paul clearly states: 1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

This is the "good news" that the apostle Paul preached after the cross, which does not share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross. Yet, they were still preaching the "good news" of the kingdom being at hand to Israel.

If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 is superfluous. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was still a mystery.

In Galatians 1:6-9, we see that false teachers were troubling the Galatians and were perverting the gospel that Paul received from Christ by revelation. The judaizers' perverted the gospel by "adding" requirements (laws) from the old covenant as necessary prerequisites to salvation and we have misguided, modern day judaizers' today who pervert the gospel by "adding" requirements from the law, which results in salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Paul refers to this as a "different" gospel, which is no good news at all.

What Gospel does Paul teach? He also teaches if any man teach another gospel than the one of Jesus Christ, let him be acursed.

Jesus teaches one gospel beginning with Abraham, then His people and finally to all.
In Galatians 3:8-9, we read - And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” This is the "good news" that was preached to Abraham, but did he receive the full revelation that the apostle Paul received from Jesus Christ in Galatians 1:11-12?
 

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No.

The mosaic covenant has been done away with.

The law of Christ is still going, the Abrahamic covenant is still going, the Noah covenant is still going.
In this issue I stand on what Jesus said about the law.

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 
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Paul declares c learly there is but one Gospel, that of Jesus Christ. Do not make it more than one Gospel….. I say this according to Paul, but mostly because there is only One Savior an One Word.
Without doubt, Paul taught 3 Gospels during Acts. Nothing in the Torah applies to Gentiles today. Nothing in the entire OT applies directly to anyone living today.
 

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Without doubt, Paul taught 3 Gospels during Acts. Nothing in the Torah applies to Gentiles today. Nothing in the entire OT applies directly to anyone living today.
This is a very unlearned declaration. What do you presume was the text for the Writings from which the first few century believers read and learned from? Would you in one sweep condemn all of those brethren to be unsaved? How can you say the Old Testament is passed whenJesus, Himself, has taught us all from those writings and many of the prophesies of thse writings are yet to come about! No, the Old Testament , as it is called by many, will never be passñe as long as the sun and the moon remain.

This is not saying that many of the prophesies have not been fulfilled so do not jump to that conclusion.
 

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Without doubt, Paul taught 3 Gospels during Acts. Nothing in the Torah applies to Gentiles today. Nothing in the entire OT applies directly to anyone living today.
You are in ignorance of what I just posted about what Jesus said about the law and the prophets!!
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You are in ignorance of what I just posted about what Jesus said about the law and the prophets!!
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I really don't care what Christ said about the Law and the prophets, since Christ's ministry was TOTALLY to Israel, Mt 15:24. Nothing Christ preached was TO or ABOUT anyone living today. The ONLY books written TO us or ABOUT us today are Paul's 7 books written AFTER Acts. Everything in those books was a Mystery HID in God since the world began, 1000s of years before Abraham. Therefore, it is impossible that any part of the OT, Gospels, or Acts applies directly to us Gentiles, as pertaining to out Hope, Calling, rules, or future. This Hebrew Roots thing sounds like another group of Judaizers, like those in Galatians, trying to take away the freedom that we have under Pure Grace.
 
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I really don't care what Christ said about the Law and the prophets, since Christ's ministry was TOTALLY to Israel, Mt 15:24. Nothing Christ preached was TO or ABOUT anyone living today. The ONLY books written TO us or ABOUT us today are Paul's 7 books written AFTER Acts. Everything in those books was a Mystery HID in God since the world began, 1000s of years before Abraham. Therefore, it is impossible that any part of the OT, Gospels, or Acts applies directly to us Gentiles, as pertaining to out Hope, Calling, rules, or future.
The amount of ignorance expressed in the above is beyond remarkable.

Say more please, I want you to spill all the beans of your error.
 
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Without doubt, Paul taught 3 Gospels during Acts. Nothing in the Torah applies to Gentiles today. Nothing in the entire OT applies directly to anyone living today.
There is one Gospel. Not to mention the balance of your error above.
 
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This is a very unlearned declaration. What do you presume was the text for the Writings from which the first few century believers read and learned from? Would you in one sweep condemn all of those brethren to be unsaved? How can you say the Old Testament is passed whenJesus, Himself, has taught us all from those writings and many of the prophesies of thse writings are yet to come about! No, the Old Testament , as it is called by many, will never be passñe as long as the sun and the moon remain.

This is not saying that many of the prophesies have not been fulfilled so do not jump to that conclusion.
Why do you insult me, when it is obvious you are the unlearned. Paul and his station in the Bible was essentially forgotten in those early centuries and, since Paul was chosen by Christ to be the ONLY apostle to the Gentiles, nothing from ANY of the early church"fathers" cut ANY ice as far as providing proof about ANYTHING. It'sa total waste of time to read them. The only guaranteed source of truth is the Bible, RIGHTLY DIVIDED.

In 2Tim 2:15, we are commanded to rightly divide,or Correctly Cut, God's word of truth. If we don't correctly cut God's Word, we are not approved unto Him and have need to feel ashamed, according to that verse. The main reason that verse was included in Paul's last 7 books was because, for the first time, Gentiles had their own blessings with NO association with Israel. Except for Christ, nothing in the Bible given to Israel was EVER given to Gentiles and There is No scripture that says otherwise. That why we MUST Correctly Cut and Divide everything pertaining to our Gentile doctrine that has ANYTHING to do with Israel. Everything Israel is Earthly. In Col 3:2, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth," we are told to focus on things in Heaven (where I'll be, but not where ANY Judaizers will be) and PAY NO ATTENTION TO THINGS OF THE EARTH, which includes EVERYTHING EVER given to Israel. In the long run, Judaizers aaccomplish Satan's plan by getting people to focus on earthly things and, thus, sacrifice their place in Heaven. Many are called, but few are chosen!

You Judaizers are Wolves in Sheep's clothing!!!
 

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Why do you insult me, when it is obvious you are the unlearned. Paul and his station in the Bible was essentially forgotten in those early centuries and, since Paul was chosen by Christ to be the ONLY apostle to the Gentiles, nothing from ANY of the early church"fathers" cut ANY ice as far as providing proof about ANYTHING. It'sa total waste of time to read them. The only guaranteed source of truth is the Bible, RIGHTLY DIVIDED.

In 2Tim 2:15, we are commanded to rightly divide,or Correctly Cut, God's word of truth. If we don't correctly cut God's Word, we are not approved unto Him and have need to feel ashamed, according to that verse. The main reason that verse was included in Paul's last 7 books was because, for the first time, Gentiles had their own blessings with NO association with Israel. Except for Christ, nothing in the Bible given to Israel was EVER given to Gentiles and There is No scripture that says otherwise. That why we MUST Correctly Cut and Divide everything pertaining to our Gentile doctrine that has ANYTHING to do with Israel. Everything Israel is Earthly. In Col 3:2, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth," we are told to focus on things in Heaven (where I'll be, but not where ANY Judaizers will be) and PAY NO ATTENTION TO THINGS OF THE EARTH, which includes EVERYTHING EVER given to Israel. In the long run, Judaizers aaccomplish Satan's plan by getting people to focus on earthly things and, thus, sacrifice their place in Heaven. Many are called, but few are chosen!

You Judaizers are Wolves in Sheep's clothing!!!
In other words you reject that the Bible is the word of God. I totally reject that view. You don't get to pick and choose what part of it is his word.
 
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There is one Gospel. Not to mention the balance of your error above.
Who is your Apostle?
When you want to be approved unto God, and obey God and Correctly Cut His Word, where exactly do you Cut it?

Are you a Gentile? If so, please explain what Christ meant and why He said these words: If you don't believe them, you are calling Jesus Christ a liar. If Christ was sent only to Israel and no Gentile had His Gospel given to them during His ministry, what proof do you have that any Gentile can usurp His Word and put claims on those things today?
Mt 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 10:5
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

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In other words you reject that the Bible is the word of God. I totally reject that view. You don't get to pick and choose what part of it is his word.
The 5 minute rule killed my correcting this response. It is very erroneous after I reread the post I was responding to.
 

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Who is your Apostle?
When you want to be approved unto God, and obey God and Correctly Cut His Word, where exactly do you Cut it?

Are you a Gentile? If so, please explain what Christ meant and why He said these words: If you don't believe them, you are calling Jesus Christ a liar. If Christ was sent only to Israel and no Gentile had His Gospel given to them during His ministry, what proof do you have that any Gentile can usurp His Word and put claims on those things today?
Mt 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 10:5
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
I think I agreed with you too soon. you are correct about the judeaizers. but this multiple gospel junk is junk.
 
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I think I agreed with you too soon. you are correct about the judeaizers. but this multiple gospel junk is junk.
You tell me what the Gospel of the Grace of God was.
 

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Why do you insult me, when it is obvious you are the unlearned. Paul and his station in the Bible was essentially forgotten in those early centuries and, since Paul was chosen by Christ to be the ONLY apostle to the Gentiles, nothing from ANY of the early church"fathers" cut ANY ice as far as providing proof about ANYTHING. It'sa total waste of time to read them. The only guaranteed source of truth is the Bible, RIGHTLY DIVIDED.

In 2Tim 2:15, we are commanded to rightly divide,or Correctly Cut, God's word of truth. If we don't correctly cut God's Word, we are not approved unto Him and have need to feel ashamed, according to that verse. The main reason that verse was included in Paul's last 7 books was because, for the first time, Gentiles had their own blessings with NO association with Israel. Except for Christ, nothing in the Bible given to Israel was EVER given to Gentiles and There is No scripture that says otherwise. That why we MUST Correctly Cut and Divide everything pertaining to our Gentile doctrine that has ANYTHING to do with Israel. Everything Israel is Earthly. In Col 3:2, "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth," we are told to focus on things in Heaven (where I'll be, but not where ANY Judaizers will be) and PAY NO ATTENTION TO THINGS OF THE EARTH, which includes EVERYTHING EVER given to Israel. In the long run, Judaizers aaccomplish Satan's plan by getting people to focus on earthly things and, thus, sacrifice their place in Heaven. Many are called, but few are chosen!

You Judaizers are Wolves in Sheep's clothing!!!
My corrected reply.
The early elders created the creeds to define what a Christian must believe. Then every Biblical issue outside of it is to agree to disagree. This is shown by all of the different gospel preaching denominations. There is the quinquarticular controversy for example with 2 totally opposing views. Calvinism verses Arminianism. Both have a site with long descriptions of their 5 points with lots of scripture references. Agree to disagree.
 
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This Hebrew Roots, MS13 type Gang, never seems to utilize scripture to further their arguments. Their only weapon is insults. I have a thick skin.

Where will you Judaizers spend eternity? What scripture do you use to prove that?
 
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My corrected reply.
The early elders created the creeds to define what a Christian must believe. Then every Biblical issue outside of it is to agree to disagree. This is shown by all of the different gospel preaching denominations. There is the quinquarticular controversy for example with 2 totally opposing views. Calvinism verses Arminianism. Both have a site with long descriptions of their 5 points with lots of scripture references. Agree to disagree.
Creeds prove NOTHING. Early fathers writings prove NOTHING. Know-nothing Denominational preachers teach stolen unobtainable Jewish doctrine to unsuspecting Gentile sheep. Nothing they say proves anything. The Bible is the ONLY source of Truth, but ONLY if it's Rightly Divided. The truth for Gentiles in the Bible tells us to weed out ALL the Israel baggage. You guys teach exactly the opposite and are therefore false teachers. Your anti-Christian Judaizing doctrine is dangerous, because Christian newbies can easily buy into your false teachings and miss out on Heaven. You are the ones preaching a FAKE Gospel.