Have you been baptized in the holy spirit and fire?

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Jabberjaw

Jabberjaw

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GracethroughfaithinChrist said:
You are a natural man who will die in your sins unless you repent and are born again by the Spirit of God like me :)
Your denial of God is very telling btw. God don't come to live in those who deny Him.......

Luke 17:20-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 3:3-8
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (not dunked later) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
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You make the same mistake as Nicodemus, it has nothing to do with natural birth, it is a spiritual rebirth by water baptism, See 1 Peter:

1 Peter 3:20-21 (NKJV)
20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Water baptism now saves us...
 
GracethroughfaithinChrist

GracethroughfaithinChrist

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Jabberjaw said:
You make the same mistake as Nicodemus, it has nothing to do with natural birth, it is a spiritual rebirth by water baptism, See 1 Peter:



1 Peter 3:20-21 (NKJV)
20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Water baptism now saves us...
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You contradict yourself, you had just wrote that you are a natural man without the Spirit and you say now there is a spiritual rebirth by water baptism, but you still remain a natural man after having received this water baptism? You don't know what your talking about ...... lol
Water baptism shows a good conscience towards God. Prior to baptism one has to have been called to repent of their sins by God through Christ. This is the saving work and it is done by God alone not water nor the will of man and all of this happens before one is baptized to begin with.
 
peacefulbeliever

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Jabberjaw said:
So the moment everyone is born of their mother, the Lord is telling you you're half way there?

It is poor exegeses to think water in John 3:5 is natural birth.
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Weeeelllll . . . .

Jesus does say right after that in verse 6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Wonder why he would even make that comparison if that wasn't what he meant?
 
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kennethcadwell

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peacefulbeliever said:
Weeeelllll . . . .

Jesus does say right after that in verse 6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Wonder why he would even make that comparison if that wasn't what he meant?
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Because that was not the true context of that scripture to make the water part natural birth.
Only through study can one find this out, and the starting point is at verse 10. Then to take it in conjunction with the rest of scriptures in order for one to be born again, they first have to buried in Him through water baptism so that they can be born again in the Spirit. Born again is through the baptism process, not natural birth.

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
 
Jabberjaw

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peacefulbeliever said:
Weeeelllll . . . .

Jesus does say right after that in verse 6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Wonder why he would even make that comparison if that wasn't what he meant?
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So you and Nicodemus and the world would know, what he is talking about is NOTHING to do with natural child birth... you make the same mistake Nicodemus made...
 
notuptome

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kennethcadwell said:
Here is how you can tell if you have been, by answering one simple question.
Do you follow and obey all of the Lord Jesus Christ teachings ???


Acts 5:32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
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Absurd on it's face. You cannot even do the first thing Jesus taught. You cannot love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and strength.

Maybe you want to provide a list of the things you do obey so others can illustrate what you are missing.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
peacefulbeliever

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kennethcadwell said:
Because that was not the true context of that scripture to make the water part natural birth.
Only through study can one find this out, and the starting point is at verse 10. Then to take it in conjunction with the rest of scriptures in order for one to be born again, they first have to buried in Him through water baptism so that they can be born again in the Spirit. Born again is through the baptism process, not natural birth.

John 3:22
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
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So he said:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

"Because that was not the true context of that scripture" but yet he put it in the context of being born AGAIN?

Of course!
 
peacefulbeliever

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Jabberjaw said:
So you and Nicodemus and the world would know, what he is talking about is NOTHING to do with natural child birth... you make the same mistake Nicodemus made...
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So - That which is born of the flesh is flesh. He said this to let me and Nicodemus know that it had nothing to do with our first birth - which is of the flesh.

So why did he say "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit"? By your logic . . . . . Was that to let me know that being born again had nothing to do with being born of the Spirit?

 
Jabberjaw

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peacefulbeliever said:
So - That which is born of the flesh is flesh. He said this to let me and Nicodemus know that it had nothing to do with our first birth - which is of the flesh.

So why did he say "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit"? By your logic . . . . . Was that to let me know that being born again had nothing to do with being born of the Spirit?

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There is one birth, two elements, Water baptism is mans part, the receiving the gift of the Spirit is Gods part. There is nothing magic about the water, John used it, Jesus was baptized in it, the disciples were commissioned to use it... when they do, God does his part, man cannot put asunder what God hath put together
 
notuptome

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Jabberjaw said:
There is one birth, two elements, Water baptism is mans part, the receiving the gift of the Spirit is Gods part. There is nothing magic about the water, John used it, Jesus was baptized in it, the disciples were commissioned to use it... when they do, God does his part, man cannot put asunder what God hath put together
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Well Jesus used the term born again. That again thing is kind of pesky as it denotes a second birth just like our old boy Nicodemus picked up on right away. Jesus seems to have made it a point that there needs to be a second birth.

Salvation is a gift but the Holy Spirit is earnest of the promise God has made with all those who are saved by grace through faith. The Holy Spirit is the seal of the covenant God makes with each believer personally.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
peacefulbeliever

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Jabberjaw said:
There is one birth, two elements, Water baptism is mans part, the receiving the gift of the Spirit is Gods part. There is nothing magic about the water, John used it, Jesus was baptized in it, the disciples were commissioned to use it... when they do, God does his part, man cannot put asunder what God hath put together
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Were we not born ONCE of the flesh - and NOW we must be born AGAIN of the Spirit?

So when I am baptized in water (first birth) - I receive the gift of the Spirit (born again)?

Doesn't make any sense for v6 to even be there in the context if not for explanation.

Nicodemus said - Not understanding how one can be born again, asked - How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born? Jesus answered, verily, verily, I say unto thee Except a man be born of water - (v6 elaborates - That which is born of the flesh is flesh) and the Spirit (v6 again elaborates - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 
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jb said:
You can find a bit of a study on this topic Here
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Butski, dost thou believe the teaching given in the study?
Here's a-hopin' da answer is YES!
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
Were we not born ONCE of the flesh - and NOW we must be born AGAIN of the Spirit?
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Dah! ... Born once, then born again ... but in a mucho different way!

Methunks anyone in Nursery School (pre-Kindergarden) would understand this!

Butski, we have many 1 Cor 1:26+ people here who think they understand spiritual things!

My qvestion: Are THEY born-again?
 
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OK the sign says COC...so for those of you that understand this, stop debating with COC folks that do not believe there is a spiritual initiated conversion.Since they do not believe this, you will never convince them of anything about the Holy Spirit
 
Jabberjaw

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peacefulbeliever said:
Were we not born ONCE of the flesh - and NOW we must be born AGAIN of the Spirit?

So when I am baptized in water (first birth) - I receive the gift of the Spirit (born again)?
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No, when your are baptized in water you are born again, you died to the world, buried in water, resurrected in Christ to walk a new life...

Jesus tried to explain this to Nicodemus, the fleshly birth has nothing to do with it...

Rom 6:3-11 (KJV)
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
Jabberjaw

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The_highwayman said:
OK the sign says COC...so for those of you that understand this, stop debating with COC folks that do not believe there is a spiritual initiated conversion.Since they do not believe this, you will never convince them of anything about the Holy Spirit
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You no nothing about the CoC, if you did you would know more about the Bible... :)
 
Jabberjaw

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AtonedFor said:


Dah! ... Born once, then born again ... but in a mucho different way!

Methunks anyone in Nursery School (pre-Kindergarden) would understand this!

Butski, we have many 1 Cor 1:26+ people here who think they understand spiritual things!

My qvestion: Are THEY born-again?
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I know, it is so easy, especially after Jesus explained it to Nicodemus :)
 
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What is the COC, the church of Christ, that denomination say's that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is demonic and teaches to stay away from it. Isn't this the one that don't allow music or is it the Church of the Nazarene. I don't know there are so many that have no faith in the cross and are works based.
 
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Kerry said:
What is the COC, the church of Christ, that denomination say's that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is demonic and teaches to stay away from it. Isn't this the one that don't allow music or is it the Church of the Nazarene. I don't know there are so many that have no faith in the cross and are works based.
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I glanced at this thread but it was a log jamb over water baptism. Both coc and "oneness" are obcessed with rabbit trails.
 
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