Have you been baptized in the holy spirit and fire?

[Jackson123]

the question is baptism with Holy spirit and fire, that mean OP believe baptism with Holy Spirit and fire is two different thing.

I do believe it as well.

I believe baptism with fire is the trouble we experience, like no job, problem with your family etc.

I just experience problem in my job now. It is not easy but I know for sure God has a reason for that.

In the small Motel where I work, there is a customer want to see the room. I show her the room and I find out there are a couple in the room. I know them so I ask why you here. He tell me that the cleaning lady let them in.

I ask if them if they pay her. She said no. I don't believe it.

The cleaning lady just ask me an hour before I found, if she see Paula around/ Paula is the lady in the room.

I don't know where the cleaning lady have the key to that room.

This is like fire that make me worry. I remember some thing like this happen about a week ago and the person run but I found a knife in the room.

This fire tell me that my life is not depend on me. It is depend on the protection from the Lord.

 

[Jabberjaw]

What is the COC, the church of Christ, that denomination say's that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is demonic and teaches to stay away from it. Isn't this the one that don't allow music or is it the Church of the Nazarene. I don't know there are so many that have no faith in the cross and are works based.

I glanced at this thread but it was a log jamb over water baptism. Both coc and "oneness" are obcessed with rabbit trails.

Because you cannot show anyone in the bible was ever baptized by anything but water other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius...

Nobody but the Apostles (Jew) and house of Cornelius (Gentile) has ever been baptized by Jesus with the Holy Spirit.

CoC has nothing to do with "oneness"

 

[peacefulbeliever]

No, when your are baptized in water you are born again, you died to the world, buried in water, resurrected in Christ to walk a new life...

Jesus tried to explain this to Nicodemus, the fleshly birth has nothing to do with it...

Rom 6:3-11 (KJV)
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

There is a reason why God inspired and inserted v6 into that context.

I happen to know what water baptism "symbolizes". But the only thing that can create a new creation within a person is being filled with the holy Spirit, aka baptized in holy Spirit, aka being born again of the Spirit.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Nothing negative but meant to show the fallaciousness of the idea that people today need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit to be saved. Being baptized with the Holy Spirit is out of my control, is not a command I can obey so if I am not baptized with the HS and lost, cannot be my fault of culpability for what was out of my control.

NO verse says one can call out to God and God in turn will baptize that person with the HS.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Give the holy Spirit to them that ask him, aka receive the gift of holy Spirit, aka being filled with the Spirit, aka being baptized with holy Spirit.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I know, it is so easy, especially after Jesus explained it to Nicodemus

Yes, he did explain it to Nicodemus -

. . . . Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God . . .

How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? - That which is born of the flesh is flesh.

Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

There is ONE birth, aka born of the flesh and there is the SECOND birth - aka born again of the Spirit.

 

[Jabberjaw]

Yes, he did explain it to Nicodemus -

. . . . Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God . . .

How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? - That which is born of the flesh is flesh.

Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

There is ONE birth, aka born of the flesh and there is the SECOND birth - aka born again of the Spirit.

No, there is a natural birth, (the one Nicodemus ignorantly mentioned) and the new birth (born again) of water and spirit, you wrongly remove water to justify man made doctrine, Jesus clearly says "water and spirit" both a part of the second (new) birth, John baptized with water, Jesus was baptized with water, the disciples were commissioned to baptize with water, Paul was baptized with water (Acts 22:16), Philip baptized the Eunuch with water (Acts 8:38-39) Peter baptized the house of Cornelius with water (Acts 10:47-48), what gives anyone the right to remove water baptism from John 3:5?

Verse 6 clearly AGAIN says to Nicodemus, flesh is flesh, it was not fleshly birth he was talking about in verse 5.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

No, there is a natural birth, (the one Nicodemus ignorantly mentioned) and the new birth (born again) of water and spirit, you wrongly remove water to justify man made doctrine, Jesus clearly says "water and spirit" both a part of the second (new) birth, John baptized with water, Jesus was baptized with water, the disciples were commissioned to baptize with water, Paul was baptized with water (Acts 22:16), Philip baptized the Eunuch with water (Acts 8:38-39) Peter baptized the house of Cornelius with water (Acts 10:47-48), what gives anyone the right to remove water baptism from John 3:5?

Verse 6 clearly AGAIN says to Nicodemus, flesh is flesh, it was not fleshly birth he was talking about in verse 5.

To understand what Jesus was telling Nicodemus, read a chapter later -- John 4:14. The "Living Water" is being immersed in Him, not a tub of H2O.

 

[AtonedFor]

... you cannot show anyone in the bible was ever baptized by anything but water
other than the Apostles and the house of Cornelius...

Just how moony peoples hast thou seen baptized in your precious water
whosoever at that time was also speaking in tongues?

Okay, none.

Now, wouldest thou like to see Scripture verses whereupon this
baptism with the Holy Spirit is connected with speaking in tongues?

Vich is to say: there is another baptism of vich you (and many others) know nothing!

Note: just 'cause da choiches don't teach it doesn't mean it is not Scriptural and factual.

 

[1joseph]

Peter commanded them to be baptized with water, because water baptism is what saves, it is what washes away sins, Cornelius or anyone else was not saved by Holy Spirit baptism. QUOTE]

Faith in Jesus saves. Water does not save.

The Holy Spirit comes to whom it will, which is baptism in the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit came on Cornelius and all at his house who heard Peter's message of how Jesus told all his disciples that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. Acts 10:23-46

Are you intentionally trying to deceive?

 

[Apostol2013]

No, baptism with the Holy Ghost was a prophecy of Joel that has been fulfilled some 2000 years ago making that baptism obsolete. No one today has been promised baptism with the Holy Spirit. There is one baptism (Eph 4:5) in this Christian dispensation and that is Christ's water baptism of the great commission, Mt 28:19.20; Mk 16:15,16 that I have been baptized with.

In the context of Mt 3:11 baptism in fire is for those that will be lost (Rev 21:8)

this what you speak of is from your own thinking my dear brethren the tongues are for today but does not make a person saved but it is a gift given by God to all as many as are called but to be chosen is to be born of the spirit something God has already predestined before the world was created

 

[Apostol2013]

No, there is a natural birth, (the one Nicodemus ignorantly mentioned) and the new birth (born again) of water and spirit, you wrongly remove water to justify man made doctrine, Jesus clearly says "water and spirit" both a part of the second (new) birth, John baptized with water, Jesus was baptized with water, the disciples were commissioned to baptize with water, Paul was baptized with water (Acts 22:16), Philip baptized the Eunuch with water (Acts 8:38-39) Peter baptized the house of Cornelius with water (Acts 10:47-48), what gives anyone the right to remove water baptism from John 3:5?

Verse 6 clearly AGAIN says to Nicodemus, flesh is flesh, it was not fleshly birth he was talking about in verse 5.

the word of God is wonderful balanced and full water baptism does not save at all neither the receiving of the holy ghost gift but are given and are to be embraced done in good faith it is commanded by Christ and if. Christ be our Lord then we shall do whatsoever He says but being reborn of the spirit is a full obedience to Jesus in all sincerity nurturing the righteous path of the spirit as given by example by Christ it is believing all His words because when we try to understand from a fallen stage one will never see what God is trying to illustrate but instead we are to look from a glorified state of understanding that is beyond human comprehension but of accor of God 's spirit in full. Victory

 

[abno5]

To be baptized in fire, is to burn in hell.

Matthew 3:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Not completely true, hell is not too far away. Having one leg in the water and one limb outside is a very relevant analogy and a hand can be extended to those who are in danger of the fire. You really don't have to burn in hell to experience hell.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

It is a very long story if all the details are included. I did not test God in doing any of this because of the way it happened...but...
If baptism is considered washing or bathing by immersion of something...
Once I went three and a half days without water and food, and God let me know it was time to drink water again cause it rained and I sucked up water on the bottom of my tent (air immursion?).
Not long after that I (don't do this though) I stared at the sun for quite some time for a specific reason (I was given the faith to do that, and that's all I'm gonna say about that for now) (possible fire immursion?)
Then oddly enough I found myself in a mountain valley in WA by a creek, and fasted in solitude in the woods for 40 days and nights on the creek water . (Water/sound/word immersion?)
I dont know how to spell immursion lol.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Then oddly I was led to L.A. and was homeless on the streets for over 8 months. (Lack of water/sin everywhere) I think it was all a test in L.A.

 

[abno5]

It is a very long story if all the details are included. I did not test God in doing any of this because of the way it happened...but...
If baptism is considered washing or bathing by immersion of something...
Once I went three and a half days without water and food, and God let me know it was time to drink water again cause it rained and I sucked up water on the bottom of my tent (air immursion?).
Not long after that I (don't do this though) I stared at the sun for quite some time for a specific reason (I was given the faith to do that, and that's all I'm gonna say about that for now) (possible fire immursion?)
Then oddly enough I found myself in a mountain valley in WA by a creek, and fasted in solitude in the woods for 40 days and nights on the creek water . (Water/sound/word immersion?)
I dont know how to spell immursion lol.

Try to see the character not the word. Milk is the ordinary meanings you grew up with, carnal ideas. They have no power in spirit but are used for remembering day to day activities to ensure we are provided with ample means of carrying out normal daily task in the world we live. Spiritual meaning is like learning a new language or 10.

 

[SeaBass]

this what you speak of is from your own thinking my dear brethren the tongues are for today but does not make a person saved but it is a gift given by God to all as many as are called but to be chosen is to be born of the spirit something God has already predestined before the world was created

The purpose of miracles was to bring about the completed revealed word of God and confirmation of that word. That word was completed back in the first century and that is why Paul said those miraculous signs would cease, vanish away, 1 Cor 13; Eph 4, no need for them today.

Mt 3:11 is not "proof text" for baptism with the Holy Spirit today for neither pronoun "you" in this verse refers to anyone today.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Try to see the character not the word. Milk is the ordinary meanings you grew up with, carnal ideas. They have no power in spirit but are used for remembering day to day activities to ensure we are provided with ample means of carrying out normal daily task in the world we live. Spiritual meaning is like learning a new language or 10.

I agree, and I am not going to say I even yet really understand why those things happened...except that I do believe I was trying to love God with all. I have enough of a hard time simply keeping my hands and feet and mouth and all that working for God, but I do see that He is with us, thank The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[Apostol2013]

The purpose of miracles was to bring about the completed revealed word of God and confirmation of that word. That word was completed back in the first century and that is why Paul said those miraculous signs would cease, vanish away, 1 Cor 13; Eph 4, no need for them today.

Mt 3:11 is not "proof text" for baptism with the Holy Spirit today for neither pronoun "you" in this verse refers to anyone today.

but on the contrary the words of peter spoke that the gift promise is to our children our children's children and to as many as are called and Paul spoke of the gifts as the power of the world to come but when is that which is perfect come ? It is when death and hell and the devil are cast into the lake of fire when everything is made new no more sorrow my beloved

 

[Jabberjaw]

but on the contrary the words of peter spoke that the gift promise is to our children our children's children and to as many as are called and Paul spoke of the gifts as the power of the world to come but when is that which is perfect come ? It is when death and hell and the devil are cast into the lake of fire when everything is made new no more sorrow my beloved

1 Cor. 13:10 is better rendered complete, the word teliosτελειον means "complete"

1 Corinthians 13:10 (ISV)
But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will be done away with.

 

[Enga]

Who baptised all of you with Holy spirit?

after Jeusu went up into heaven, the desciples batpsed peopel with Holy spirit. Holy Spirit did not went to all teh christians who hed the word of God and beleived in Jesus christ and baptised in Water. Holy spirit did not went to all of them. when the apostles lay theri hands on them and prayed to God and the people received Holy Spirit so how did all of you receive Holy Spirit.