Have you believed the false grace message?
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Many in the false-grace movement have already been shocked on the day of their death to find themselves escorted not into the presence of God by glorious angels, but rather by the most horrifying of demonic creatures into their new, eternal residence in Hell. It happens every day. I’m grieved and broken.
Alrighty then.
Question: That's a pretty definitive statement. How does he know this? Has he witnessed it? What is his documentation? Does he communicate with or observe the dead? Every day?
Answer: John Burton has not witnessed what he claims, and is lying.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is all you need to know about John Burton. Nothing he has to say about anything is to be trusted.
-JGIG
The bible covers this........
a. The Corinthian brother cut lose for the destruction of the flesh yet saved in the day of Christ
b. The prodigal son still received as a son
c. Those with works of wood, hay and stubble yet saved so as escaping through the fire
etc........
Salvation is a once for all act...it cannot be lost or forfeited......rewards on the other hand can be dia riotous living after salvation and our fellowship can be broken....yet a son by birth will always be a son by birth
a. The Corinthian brother cut lose for the destruction of the flesh yet saved in the day of Christ
b. The prodigal son still received as a son
c. Those with works of wood, hay and stubble yet saved so as escaping through the fire
etc........
Salvation is a once for all act...it cannot be lost or forfeited......rewards on the other hand can be dia riotous living after salvation and our fellowship can be broken....yet a son by birth will always be a son by birth
Well, seeing how Jesus has done all the work and we enter into his rest......I would call that one EASY.......
now the flip side is religion-ism and hands being tied behind our backs dia religion which makes the load as heavy as 939746568393847 metric tons.........and impossible to carry<--- to boot
now the flip side is religion-ism and hands being tied behind our backs dia religion which makes the load as heavy as 939746568393847 metric tons.........and impossible to carry<--- to boot
That was good,and it is good when people understand it to that extent,and we are saved by grace through faith,but we must have the proper perspective of faith to have grace apply,which the Bible points out how people can err from the faith,which we see people falling victim to it and erring from the faith,while they think they have grace and are saved.
It gets to the point where I realize some are so set in their mind that communication to a understanding of both groups is impossible. We all jump from thread to thread and all end up the same way.
Y'all believe if a Christian was to fall away and deny Christ he was never truly saved.
We believe once a person invites Jesus in wanting him but his walk in faith doesn't grow, and he decides to deny Christ. We call that falling away and could end up with loss of salvation.
Either way in both our beliefs the same person is at risk of eternal hell.
I won't argue with the same 5 people and hope people do their own research on both ways of thinking and see which one holds more truth since everyone and their momma got different opinions.
This will be debated until the end of time and I am sure Christ would rather our focus be elsewhere and that's on him.
Ultimately just as John Wesley has said falling away is bad but we have to make the most of Jesus that's most important l. And so this is where our focus should be.
Y'all believe if a Christian was to fall away and deny Christ he was never truly saved.
We believe once a person invites Jesus in wanting him but his walk in faith doesn't grow, and he decides to deny Christ. We call that falling away and could end up with loss of salvation.
Either way in both our beliefs the same person is at risk of eternal hell.
I won't argue with the same 5 people and hope people do their own research on both ways of thinking and see which one holds more truth since everyone and their momma got different opinions.
This will be debated until the end of time and I am sure Christ would rather our focus be elsewhere and that's on him.
Ultimately just as John Wesley has said falling away is bad but we have to make the most of Jesus that's most important l. And so this is where our focus should be.
Grace does not mean unmerited favour.
Grace is literally the divine influence of God upon the heart and thus it is the quickening power of God by which the faithful and repentant are raised up unto newness of life.
The idea of "unmerited favour" is a redefining of grace purposed to treat it instead as a cloak for ongoing defilement of the heart.
If there has been no release from the bondage of serving sin and thus no establishment of heart purity by the Spirit of Christ then grace has been recieved in vain.
Grace is literally the divine influence of God upon the heart and thus it is the quickening power of God by which the faithful and repentant are raised up unto newness of life.
The idea of "unmerited favour" is a redefining of grace purposed to treat it instead as a cloak for ongoing defilement of the heart.
If there has been no release from the bondage of serving sin and thus no establishment of heart purity by the Spirit of Christ then grace has been recieved in vain.
Falling from grace is actually simply falling back into trying to follow the Law to keep you saved.
It honestly IS difficult for humans to simply accept grace. We want so hard to earn Salvation for ourselves by following some rule.... or a set of rules. To prove that we deserve it, I guess.
It honestly IS difficult for humans to simply accept grace. We want so hard to earn Salvation for ourselves by following some rule.... or a set of rules. To prove that we deserve it, I guess.
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I believe that every persons relationship, walk and events set before him in his life are unique....and all of these things are God working in the saved by grace persons life to refine and ultimately bring him closer to Himself.
What I don't get is why people like you who are so concerned with how others journey, walk and relationship with Jesus is supposed to go.
What is it that is within you that causes you to be so focused on any servant but yourself? Is it fear of seeing yourself as you are? Is it an unwillingness in you to face who you are and the crappy things about your own character? Do you want to be better than the next guy....do you desire to sit at the right hand of God?