Have you believed the false grace message?

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You stopped reading because the author gave an opinion before he started talking scriptures?

Or was the image oh hell too much to read?
You show me "opinion" in that statement. He states that as FACT. Run, run as fast as you can from that guy.
 
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I agree with all you said because as you mention above its when the believer chooses to jump away that's when the problem happens. And you are right it's of God to know that's person's heart and to truly know if that person will never return.

All I am trying to do is warn people from things that may lead to that choice of leaving.
This is where I firmly believe all those people running around warning us to "keep watch" and to "fill the oil" and to "stand guard on the wall", etc, et al, ad nauseam, have missed the meaning.

Even if we COULD do something if we were to see the Eastern sky suddenly split, I don't think THAT is what is being spoken of here. I think we are each being warned to watch the attitudes of our own hearts and how our sensibilities regard the treatment we offer toward other human beings. (The hardening of your heart) I honestly think THAT is one of the most important things Jesus wants us to stay aware of.

After all, THAT was the entire basis of the judging of the sheep and goats. The Bible fairly overflows with stories of how people's hearts (of all races and nationalities) led them to treat all the rest of the humans walking this world.... both for good and for bad.
 
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And there is no such thing as false Grace. Grace stands alone.
 
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.........................................Bedtime.
 
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Any article, teaching, youtube video .You name it........... That starts with grace VS Hyper-grace,false grace,____?____ grace.

Should headline this way.

My sneaky snake version of religion VS GRACE.
 

Roughsoul1991

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You show me "opinion" in that statement. He states that as FACT. Run, run as fast as you can from that guy.
So if I say your striped shirt is black with white stripes as a fact and someone else walks up and judges that it's white with black stripes, does that make each person's opinion wrong? To some yes to others no. It's how someone judges something that matter and in which case since you didn't read it then you have no room to judge it.
 
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So if I say your striped shirt is black with white stripes as a fact and someone else walks up and judges that it's white with black stripes, does that make each person's opinion wrong? To some yes to others no. It's how someone judges something that matter and in which case since you didn't read it then you have no room to judge it.
You should really read/comprehend what you just wrote. You are advocating for no truth.

And there is truth. Truth makes opinions wrong.
 

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This is where I firmly believe all those people running around warning us to "keep watch" and to "fill the oil" and to "stand guard on the wall", etc, et al, ad nauseam, have missed the meaning.

Even if we COULD do something if we were to see the Eastern sky suddenly split, I don't think THAT is what is being spoken of here. I think we are each being warned to watch the attitudes of our own hearts and how our sensibilities regard the treatment we offer toward other human beings. (The hardening of your heart) I honestly think THAT is one of the most important things Jesus wants us to stay aware of.

After all, THAT was the entire basis of the judging of the sheep and goats. The Bible fairly overflows with stories of how people's hearts (of all races and nationalities) led them to treat all the rest of the humans walking this world.... both for good and for bad.
We are being warned alright but some take it lightly.
 

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You should really read/comprehend what you just wrote. You are advocating for no truth.

And there is truth. Truth makes opinions wrong.
In less your opinion of truth is false lol. But idk what you believe and you don't know what I believe because you didn't read the article.
 
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So is Jesus yoke heavy or light?
 

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It's light compared spending an eternity in hell. After all many Christians have been crucified or worse. Ultimately as Christians we face death for our beliefs. This is why so many passages tell the believers to endure to the end and not let go
 
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It's light compared spending an eternity in hell. After all many Christians have been crucified or worse. Ultimately as Christians we face death for our beliefs. This is why so many passages tell the believers to endure to the end and not let go
Oh to turn that simple corner? As Christians we face LIFE and life.

Why are believers so obsessed with death, when Christ brings us life.

Quit trying to send everybody to hell and throw em a bone........Eternal security in Christ if one ever trusts in Christ and what He has done for us. Christians face LIFE.
 
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In less your opinion of truth is false lol. But idk what you believe and you don't know what I believe because you didn't read the article.
Just be real. Why is that so hard?

On this basic subject. You know exactly what I believe and I know exactly what you believe.

Me ~~eternal security.

You~~loss of salvation.

I don't have to hide behind anything. You have to hide behind an article and someone else's words.
 

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Galatians 5:16-21Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[h=3]The Spirit versus the Flesh[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are obvious:[SUP][a][/SUP][SUP][b][/SUP] sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy,[SUP][c][/SUP] drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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Just be real. Why is that so hard?

On this basic subject. You know exactly what I believe and I know exactly what you believe.

Me ~~eternal security.


You~~loss of salvation.

I don't have to hide behind anything. You have to hide behind an article and someone else's words.
I am hardly hiding lol and my point was I do not take your words to heart because you are not willing to read what I post. So we have no grounds of communication after all that was what this whole thread was started on. So I see your words but this is what I hear ......................
 
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All believers will pick up their cross daily. You ask where else is there. Good question that I don't know of anything better but people choose to go their own way all the time.

All believers have taken up their cross with Jesus because we have died with Christ on the cross and we were resurrected to be a new creation in Him - joined as one spirit forever by the Holy Spirit. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16

To take up your cross daily is to acknowledge that you too have died and your real life is hidden with Christ in God. This is what it really means to follow Christ. From this position of being joined with Him in His death - now we are to grow in His grace in the power of His resurrection.

If you would only preach and teach the actual gospel then maybe believers would have the nutrients to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and walk by the Spirit so that they don't walk according to the flesh. This "lose your salvation" nonsense is NOT the gospel.

Colossians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.


Yes, there are many warnings about living according to the flesh and it's consequences in this life and we should be giving good heed to them. Take up shooting heroin and you will see the reality of this in manifestation very quickly. Preach the gospel first so that people can grow up in Christ. Instead religion has preached fear, condemnation and guilt and shame.

It's no wonder some have walked away from organized church in some cases. Christ is still in their hearts but they are living by their flesh - let's feed them the love and grace of God and when they have been fed properly - then we will let God's loving discipline teach us all as we walk in Him.